Good morning All. Coffees on.

[Jackie C.]

1 hour ago, ElizabethStar said:

That was really nice of you @Jackie C.. My wife and I decided we are going to be doing Friends-giving next year if the pandemic thing is better by then.

 

I love our annual (except this year) friendsgiving. I was introduced to the tradition about ten years ago by a coworker. We hold ours on the Saturday two weeks before Thanksgiving and, for some reason lost to time, it's called Edward's Day. The turkeys are named Edward. Nobody remembers why. So we do the friends thing before everybody scatters to go see their family.

 

I really missed that this year.

 

Hugs!

[Ivy]

2 hours ago, Jackie C. said:

My niece has a friend that would have otherwise spent the holiday alone. Her parents are ... not great ... and she was feeling very alone. She burst into tears when she got back to her car because of how nice we were to her. My emotions are mixed.

This was a really kind thing to do

[Ivy]

5 hours ago, KymmieL said:

I'm like you Willow I refuse to shop any of this Holiday.

Well, basically yeah... 

However… On the way home from my son's place, I have to pass by a large city.  I took a chance and stopped at Trader Joes hoping it wouldn't be slammed.  I was surprised to find it relatively empty.  So I took the opportunity to stock up on some things I have been out of for months.  I guess groceries aren't a Black Friday thing.

Then back on the road for home sweet home.

[AmberM]

4 hours ago, Jackie C. said:

making someone else's day better is what I'm going to treasure

I think this is a central tenant in my life as well. I hosted an online Virtual Thanksgiving for a support group I run, and it went well until someone stormed off at the end after a comment was made about not injecting bleach to prevent COVID ... Politics, it must have been a normal Thanksgiving Dinner, lol.

 

I spent most of today watching the forums, chat room, started playing Star Wars: Squadrons (okay, I played the tutorial mission), which was kind of okay(?). Now I am just waiting for another player on an online board game site to play a new game that I enjoy, The King's Guild.

[BreM]

Decided to get my nails done this morning and got lucky.The lady that does mine was there and knows me very well.I am amazed she has treated me very well for 2 years.Was me only and checked out my new work place,a salon I start next week Monday.Previous place,owner sold out and the new owner wanted me out.Good thing is my new boss is great and friendly

[CallMeKeira]

@BreM That's good news.

[BreM]

3 hours ago, CallMeKeira said:

@BreM That's good news.

It is going to like my new job.New boss,she is glad I work with the transgender and crossdresser community very well including the genetic women

[Willow]

Good morning TGPulse  (said to the tone of good morning Vietnam)

 

guess m in a good mood this morning.  Looks a little overcast.  It is supposed to rain later.  Guess I won’t be working on the boat today.

 

coffee is made I’m ready for friends to come sit at my kitchen table. 
 

the hunters are out in the rice fields.  In the early 19th century this was supposed to have  been the largest rice producer in the world.  I find that hard to believe.  Now it’s all just wetland.

 

we watch a sewing show and a quilting show on PBS starting at 8 every Saturday.  One thing I’ve learned about sewing, it isn’t as easy as it looks.  I’m getting better but even keeping a straight line can be challenging.  Then add to that making a particular type of seam like a double row flat felled seam. My rows of stitches are never straight.

 

we made new lettering for the boat.  I sure hope I can get that on right. I know the way it’s supposed to be done but I’m just not sure about this.

 

Enjoy your coffee today.

 

Willow

[BreM]

Wife,daughter and I are going to do some shopping later this morning.I need some new bras and pantyhose.Need to buy my daughter a dress and wife needs new work clothes.Some of my bras went in the trash already,in bad shape due for replacement.

[Emily michelle]

Hi everyone! Heavy frost this morning. I decided to go to work for a few hours to catch up. I almost bought another bicycle yesterday but I talked myself out of it. My wife and I may go see her sister later today, this will be the first time I’ve seen her since my wife told her. My wife mentioned last night that it is time to tell her parents so we shall see.

[Willow]

Hi,

 

question for any and all to weigh in.  My wife and I had a conversation this morning which started with “In all your readings, have you read anything about the conflict between Deuteronomy in the Old Testament and being transgender?  The particular scripture (not a quote, I’m not looking it up for this) God says women shall not dress as men, and men shall not dress as women.  We talked about this for a while and my response was that in the Old Testament God was rules and punishments.  But in the New Testament God professed love for all.  Also, in the Old Testament there were Eunuchs which covered more than one group of people and included transgenders who did dress opposite.

 

so my question is can anyone direct me to a book or anything that might add to this?  I am not looking to offend anyone here or discuss a taboo subject.

 

our conversation hit on several things, one was how my best friend growing up discovered or came out as Gay in his 30s.

 

Another was how I was a mama's boy even as an adult.  She admitted that while neither of us understood or even considered that I was transgender, looking back now and understanding things even she saw signs.

 

I find that interesting since she is still struggling with all this now.

 

Willow 

[AmberM]

Well it is afternoon already, and yesterday I got the totes to the garage for Summer clothing and also a decent amount of my male clothing, not ready to donate those yet. Also got the Christmas totes and Christmas tree out of storage. I still need to setup the Christmas tree sometime today before the wife gets off work. I am hoping decorating helps to lift my spirits in general. We were discussing last night that it just feels right to decorate this year in the midst of everything. Last year we skipped decorating because we were both in a heavy funk, and there was just no getting out of it and in the mood to do anything.

 

I am starting to feel a dip though in the last hour or so, which kind of sucks. I am trying to ride it out and see if I can keep doing the behavior that should improve my mood. If not I may just end up taking a nap or have a lay down at least.

[Ivy]

Well…    First I must say that I no longer identify as "Christian", so there is that.  However, I had considered myself christian (and quite conservative) most of my life.  And I did wrestle with this at times.  I could elaborate, but that would be a whole big tangent so… no.

 

I would say it largely depends on how you interpret scripture.  At the time I accepted the idea that the Bible was the literal inerrant word of God.  So going by that My ex and I concluded that our daughters should not wear britches.  Later we rationalized (correctly) that most women wear pants these days, so ok girls - just be modest.

 

Since it was such a central part of my life for so long, I still have an interest of course.  I have seen some discussion lately about eunuchs in regard to transwomen.  But I'm thinking this was more in relation to how "eunuchs" were not allowed into the temple and stuff like that.  But there was some thought that "eunuchs" also referred to transwomen.

 

And then there is the argument that there are a lot of rules/laws in the OT that nobody makes any attempt to follow today.

And of course the related argument where the NT supersedes the OT, and that all that matters now it to love.

 

Of course, if one is more liberally minded, scripture can be understood as more of a guide than law.  And OT Hebrew in particular is not always easy to translate into english.

 

And this is not strictly an OT problem.  In 1st Cor. we find: "Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind" being condemned.  I assume "effeminate" would apply to trans women.

 

I seem to remember someone posting here that is a preacher.  Maybe they could weigh in.  Personally, my relationship with the church was kinda tenuous when I finally got up the nerve to question my own gender.

 

Perhaps I should have stayed out of this.  But I've gone this far, so that's some of my thoughts.

 

Maybe this should be in the "Christianity" section.

 

[JustineM]

Feeling cute today. Decided to try a new look. 
 

But does it make my butt look big? Lol

[Jackie C.]

1 hour ago, JustineM said:

Feeling cute today. Decided to try a new look. 
 

But does it make my butt look big? Lol

 

Nice!

 

Also, we can't see your butt. Unless that helmet is WAY bigger than it looks. ?

 

Hugs!

[KathyLauren]

6 hours ago, Willow said:

The particular scripture (not a quote, I’m not looking it up for this) God says women shall not dress as men, and men shall not dress as women. 

 

With the disclaimer that I am not Christian, I don't think this applies.  I am a woman, and I have always been a woman.  So I am not a man dressing as a woman; I am a woman dressing as a woman.  As a woman dressing as a man, I was in violation of this rule for the first 62 years of my life, but I have since mended my ways.

[Elizabeth Star]

1 hour ago, KathyLauren said:

With the disclaimer that I am not Christian, I don't think this applies.  I am a woman, and I have always been a woman.  So I am not a man dressing as a woman; I am a woman dressing as a woman.  As a woman dressing as a man, I was in violation of this rule for the first 62 years of my life, but I have since mended my ways.

I was thinking the same thing (45 years for me). Isn't that what most of us are doing?

[DeeDee]

Hi @Willow

Let me start by saying that the whole thing is a strawman argument and is totally nonsensical. God doesn't care about our clothes, see Genesis for details.

Now...

Theologically the OT books of law were brought to fulfillment by Jesus unless you are Jewish.

So all Christians live under a grace already extended and offered to all which is why we do not stick to the laws today and why the thief was assured of his salvation on the cross beside Jesus and why every single church should welcome every single person into its walls. Its simply Biblically not their place to judge.

 

Kathylauren's response is the correct one if you want to take it literally and engage in the argument and that's without getting into trnaslation arguments.

 

Also gendered clothing has always been culturally specific - none of the OT prophets nor Christ wore pants/trousers and kilts(pleated knee length skirts) in Scottish culture are a masculine gendered item of clothing and also traditionally closer to what Christ wore. Everyone should be in togas and sandals if we want to stay accurate.

I can also guarantee that the people bringing up that law are not following all the other dueteronomical laws themselves and are probably sat in mixed blend clothing and not kicking the women out of town for the duration of their periods to go and be unclean elsewhere.

 

If someone quotes that at you and you feel a need to respond may I suggest Matthew 23:23.  Jesus had a word or two to say about hypocracy in the kirk when it came to quoting Bible verses at people inappropriately. It has become one of my favourite verses.

❤️

[KymmieL]

Liz and Kathy I agree. I am wearing woman's jeans and a t shirt. but as a woman I should wear woman's clothes according to the bible. ?

 

that part taken care of now on to the fun. So my middle son came visiting some of his friends and took my grandson home. SO we decided to see how the new truck handles the trails. Our youngest followed in our old Explorer (he's buying it from us) Went a couple trails. Mostly packed snow. No problems. We proceeded to try to bust some snow. and you guessed it The new truck dug its way to get stuck. So we backed the explorer to pull the Ranger out. it got stuck.

 

So we worked and got the Ranger free. Then the Explorer I had to make a 14 pt turn to get turned around. I pulled the Explorer back so my son could get a running start and haul on out of there.  I followed doing the same. It was fun.

 

Hugs

 

Kymmie.

 

[DeeDee]

3 hours ago, JustineM said:

Feeling cute today. Decided to try a new look. 
 

But does it make my butt look big?

This is the way... ?

[Willow]

 

 

That’s a good point that we aren’t men dressing as women, we are women who used to dress as men.  
 

I wasn’t looking to start a whole new conversation here that could be considered controversial or belonging in another forum.  Jandi, I appreciate your thoughts and everyone else’s.  But like you suggested any further discussion should be in a different topic.

 

thanks 

 

Willow 

[BreM]

Did go shopping with my daughter and wife.All came out happy.I have new bras and pantyhose,wife has new work clothes and daughter loves her new dark navy dress.Wife has a friend that is getting married next month and daughter didn't have a nice dress to wear,let her pick it out.She also paid for it too,has a job and saved money for it

[Ivy]

1 hour ago, Willow said:

 

That’s a good point that we aren’t men dressing as women, we are women who used to dress as men

Before I drop it all, this is an excellent point. 

[BreM]

Excited about tommorrow,going on the next step of the feminizing hormones.It is not the herbal which I didn't want.Always wanted the feminine figure.I was on the Aldactone for 6 weeks and going on the estrogen using the patch.Wife is for it and sees I will be much happier

[Robin.C]

Took a deep breath today and after my morning meeting instead of having a shower and going back to boy mode, I went to my sisters to give my niece her birthday present as me.

Okay no dress and only eyebrows, lippy and hair done, but it felt so nice to just be me.

Only comment was about my hair not being short and grey ... LOL.

 

Just going to get them used to seeing me and not go into explanations unless they ask.

Watched a few of Jackie Rabbits videos and the biggest thing to not feel the need to explain everything. Maybe it will work, who knows however I'm willing to try it.

 

Good day all in all ?

 

Hugs

Robin