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I ran across the term "Two Spirits" several years ago and found that in Native cultures men who want to be women and women who want to be men but had no way to have their bodies align properly just went ahead and dressed and lived as the other gender AND the tribes respected them and believed they were special people, not unlike medicine men or prophets. Although it doesn't quite fit my own belief that I was born with the wrong separation when the physical sex was determined in the womb, the concept of two spirit kind of fits.  I thought it would be nice to find out what you think about the term and how it fits or doesn't fit your journey. Gosh wouldn't it be nice if our culture respected ofor who we are. What the generally public can't see (our interior lives) they can't seem to accept. It is the same for those with psychological issues - if you can't see it - it doesn't exist as far as the general public seem to think.

 

If you aen't aware of the term here is a little bit of background for you.

Two Spirit has been present for countless generations that predate LGBTQ terminology.

When attempting to explain the concept of Two Spirit people in Indian country, many people may visualize images of Unicorns and Rainbows, Donna Summers and Seventies disco balls. Try to explain the concept of Two Spirit outside Indian country, and you may as well throw in war bonnets and glitter.

The term Two Spirit has been present in Native communities for countless generations that predate LGBTQ terminology. For generations, Two Spirit Native culture went underground to avoid detection and persecution.

Today the Two Spirit movement has been negatively affected by rumor, gossip, the tyranny of western religion, and an all-around lack of information.

Here are eight misconceptions and/or things you should know about Two Spirit people that may help foster a better understanding of the Two Spirit community.

Two Spirit is not a contemporary “new-age” movement

While the term Two Spirit was coined in 1990 In Winnipeg, Canada as a means of unifying various gender identities and expressions of Native American/First Nations/Indigenous individuals, the term is not a specific definition of gender, sexual orientation or other self-determining catch-all phrase, but rather an umbrella term.

Two Spirit people have both a male and female spirit within them and are blessed by their Creator to see life through the eyes of both genders.

The term does not diminish the tribal-specific names, roles and traditions nations have for their own Two Spirit people. Examples of such names are the winkte among the Lakota and the nadleeh among the Navajo people.

These names and roles go back to a time before western religion. Two Spirit is not a “New Age” movement, but rather a reclamation of Two Spirit’s rightful place in Native culture.

We have proof of Two Spirit individuals in historical photos

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A quick google search will render black and whites from decades ago with Two Spirit tribal members from various nations, such as We’wha, a very well-known and documented Two Spirit of the Zuni people, who crossed over in 1896.

Gay is not an interchangeable term with Two Spirit

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Being a gay native is oftentimes confused with being Two Spirit. While the two may have parallels and intersections, they are not the same. Gay specifically is about attraction to a person of the same sex. Two Spirit is more about the embodiment of two genders residing within one person.

A Two Spirit person may be gay, but a gay person is not necessarily Two Spirit. Claiming the role of Two Spirit is to take up the spiritual responsibility that the role traditionally had. Walking the red road, being for the people and our children/youth, and being a guiding force in a good way with a good mind are just some of those responsibilities.

The Two Spirit Road is a road of long held traditions, prayer and responsibility

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Living as a Two Spirit is not all pride parades and hot pants. To be of service to our elders and youth with our very particular medicine is paramount. If we lose our traditions, our songs, our medicines, and our languages, and make no effort to restore what was lost, we doom ourselves.

In 2016 Two Spirit nation at Oceti Sakowin built the Cannonball River prayer pier, to be used for water ceremonies. Knee deep in mud on a cold 2016 November morning, the Two Spirit camp worked till sundown, so that our women and elders could have a place to pray the following morning. Actual events such a this are now part of our modern history as Two Spirit people and should never be minimized. As with all of Native culture, Two Spirit is also a living culture.

Two Spirit people held significant roles and were an integral part of a tribal social structures

Two Spirit people held a meaningful place in the sacred hoop. In many tribes Two Spirits were balance keepers. Thought to be the “dusk” between the male morning, and the female evening. As the role has evolved over time as necessary, the tradition is still alive. At Two Spirit gatherings and communal events, we can be found saying prayers that have needed to be said for decades, and fostering healing to all present. Restoring much needed balance to spirit.

Two Spirit Does Not Indicate Colonized Boxed Definitions of “L”, “G”, “B”, “T” or “Q”

We can be all of these, or none of these. A western mindset categorizes based on standards of ‘norm’ and ‘other’ in a kyriarchal (to rule or dominate) type structure. This mindset imposes a series of boxes to fit into (you’re either gay, you’re a lesbian, etc.) rather than being comfortable with gender fluidity, Two Spirit acknowledges the continuum of gender identity and expression.

Two Spirit is a term only appropriate for Native people

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Two Spirit is a role that existed in a Native American/First Nations/Indigenous tribe for gender queer, gender fluid, and gender non-conforming tribal members. If you don’t have a tribe, you can’t claim that role.

Two Spirit People face compounded trauma’s on top of inter-generational trauma

Imagine going from your nation where you’re a celebrated Two Spirit individual, to a boarding school where you’re assigned your gender, with any push back about it being beat out of you. For a lot of our boarding school survivors (and those who didn’t survive), this was their reality. As a result, there is still healing from much internalized socio-political stigma, phobia, and lateral oppression to be done in the Two Spirit community.

The resilience, strength, and sheer indomitable will of Two Spirit people is something to be shared with all nations. When you watch the sun rise every day, the sun set every evening, and the moon come out each night, remember the miracle of Two Spirit people. Not unnatural, not evil, or perverse, just all things in balance, and everything in divine order.

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Hi @Shay. Good article, thanks for sharing.  I conversed with others in another two-spirit thread concerning what may or may not be considered cultural appropriation. 

 

For most of my life, I was told that I was of Cherokee decent, along with other cultures. I have pictures from my mother of the Cherokee woman who was the matriarch from whom I inherited the lineage. I studied Tsalagi history and culture for many decades beginning in my early teens.  

 

Several years ago I had and ancestry DNA test done and it shows no Native American DNA. This raise a lot of questions for me about the oral histories that I were imparted to me. It confirmed my English, Scottish and Nordic roots, of which I have traced back quite a ways; my Scottish line going back to the early 1300s. 

 

But the stories about my Cherokee ancestry plagued me.  My older sister confirmed the tales and she has in her possession photos and trinkets from our Native American ‘grandmother’.  So we’ve collaborated a bit in the search.  

 

It is is possible to be of a certain lineage but not carry the DNA. Done we are each handed down half our chromosomes from each parent, we may or may not carry all the genes from a particular ancestry.  My older brother and sister not posses typical physical traits consistent with Native American characteristics - darker skin, high cheek bones, etc...  I however, no not share these.

 

But one of the lines I traced, and am still investigating, indicates that maybe this woman was a surrogate grandmother who, along with her husband, a great uncle, raised my grandfather/father  as their own since his own father was a drifter.  But it doesn’t explain the physical appearances of my older siblings.  I suspect there is more to the stories than we’ve been told, but there are none alive today who can verify them. 

 

That said, I embrace my Celtic heritage passionately and have also embraced much of what I’ve believed to be a native ancestry passionately as well. So much so that at one time, I had contemplated applying to the Eastern Band of The Cherokee Nation for citizenship.  

 

It it would be interesting to see what my sister’s DNA results would show if she was tested. 

 

All that said, most of us are from mixed ancestries. In this modern world, it is often very difficult to find identity in any other culture than the one in which we are raised.   I was raised in very rural central Appalachian tradition - one where English, Scots-Irish and Cherokee cultures mixed freely and from which each drew upon the other’s beliefs, customs and way of life.

 

I am the culmination of these things by my personal experience and the way I was brought up.

 

While the idea of Two-Spirit isn’t a term that applied to traditional Cherokee culture, to the best of my research , it is an idea that applies to much of who I am. Much the same as old soul or second sight applies. And though I am not Jewish,  I embrace Christianity as well.  

 

I guess what Im saying is this, we are defined not just by our blood, but by our life experiences, our beliefs and our personal heritage as well. And we choose what we embrace. 

 

Peace this day. 

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@Jennifer T wonderful response. You sparked a memory. My Grandfather on my father's side looks like a pure Native American although I never could find out about that side of the family and I haven't had DNA checked - think I will. I also don't have Irish blood but a LOT of the songs I write have Irish feel to them... now I'm intersted in finding out more. THANK YOU.

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@Shay, one thing I’ve noticed about Celtic blood (Irish, Scottish, Welsh, etc...), if you have it in you, it calls deeply to you - the old ways seem to beckon from the ancients and the rhythms of the home lands will pull at your heart from distant memories. 

 

Good of luck in your search!!  If you do the DNA thing, I would be interested in the results.  

 

Peace.

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@Jennifer T That must be it - because I don't know where these Celtic influenced songs I write come from. I wasn't exposed to theat style of music - it's a mystery to me and I think you put your finger on it. If I do the DNA I will report back.

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Speaking of Native blood I was waiting out a torrential down pour and a song came to me and it was to be called Red Cloud. At the time I'd never knew there was a famous Red Cloud Oglala Sioux. So I researched and found out about him and added the needed lyrics. I've attached it so you might listen.

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I can’t seem to download your mp3 file.

 

Did you ever read “”Bury My Heart at Wounded Knee”?  You should if you haven’t. 

 

Did you also also know that Shay is an English form of the Irish name Séaghdha?

 

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I have read Dee Brown's amazing book. And in 1982 the name Shay came to me and has made sure to remind me from time to time. I had never heard the name before and have never known anyone or heard of anyone with that name.

I have a blog called the Sweet Spot and did one about Red Cloud. Maybe you can download that mp3

 

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I tried to access your song through you blog. I get the following:

 

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Not sure what this means?

 

 

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Don't know. There is a topic on front page that says to use it if you find problems. Maybe they can help us.

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Thank you, @Shay.  I just listened and I am impressed!  Loved the whole feel of the song. And the acoustics accentuated the mood and the history of the Sioux with an abiding whisper of the ancients.  Well done!

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Hi Shay. Since we were discussing Native American I thought I’d share something interesting here with you.

 

I mowed my lawn today, which is a chore for me.   

Afterwards, I got a beer and my pipe and decided to sit on my deck and have a smoke. Though it may sound weird, I gave God thanks for the gift of tobacco.  I truly enjoy these moments and smoking is a sort of a transcendental ritual for me. As I lit up, an emerald hummingbird flew by and landed in the dogwood tree in front of me. I sat transfixed watching him as he performed his self cleaning. I’ve never witnessed a hummingbird at rest, only always in motion.  I was amazed to see that at rest, they move no faster than any other bird. 

I watched for about 5 minutes then got up to get my wife so she could see. It continued for a few  more minutes then flew over to me and hovered over my head for a few seconds, so close I could hear his buzzing. I was ecstatic!!  Then he flew on.

So I started researching hummingbird folklore.  Hummingbirds are only indigenous to the Americas.  Immediately I came across this Cherokee legend:

 

“A Cherokee legend tells of a hummingbird bringing tobacco back to the people after it was stolen by the evil Dagul'ku goose.  The legend has it that in ancient times all of the animals and people could speak the same language.  There was only one large tobacco plant in existence for everyone to use.  One day the evil and greedy Dagul'ku goose stole the plant and took it far away and guarded it.  All sorts of animals went to try to retrieve it and were killed by the goose.  A hummingbird convinced the others that it could get to the plant unseen because of its great speed and agility.  The bird quickly flew to the plant unseen by Dagul'ku and took a piece containing leaves and seeds from the very top.  He returned and everyone had tobacco again.  The really interesting thing about this story is that an old woman was dying without access to the tobacco.  The hummingbird saved her life with the leaves he brought back which were burned and the life-giving smoke was wafted into her nostrils.  What a contract to our views on smoking today!”

 

I was amazed!  I was wondering what I was being told.  

As I sat hear deciding to write this, another visitor paid me a visit.  She sat on my leg for a while as I spoke with her.

 

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I am deeply thankful for the natural world and all of its inhabitants.  They are often messengers.  And I ask God to allow me to hear.

Peace this day.

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@Jennifer T that is an amazing story and you were meant to witness it and learn about it and share it and I am thankful you shared it with me. There are miracles all around us if we only have the eyes to see and ears to hear and the spirit to taken it in.

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I collected a lot of memes (I think it was more then 1000), and it was said that girls is a sluts and regular girls or women in Russia is a -friendly person-. I should mention that it was a highly sorted memes, I didn't put every meme. In case I put every meme I seen, but don't like much, I think it was 10000 rather then 1000. There was a special troll pictures with a bear which comes from bush and telling a -friendly person-, or a women of a easy behavior and similar things like that. Those pictures made the girls I wrote to be mad as hell and they come into my main picture of a random guy over the  internet (I took it from another VK account in my city) and wrote that I am a -awesome person-, -dimwit- and things like that. I think I collected around 40 such posts which is made by a rage girls, the last comment was that a mental house is waiting for me, which, as turned later, was a reality. Anyway, I should accept I went into a complete insanity and didn't understanding regular human-related laws. There was a girl which is posted that her brother is died, and I should rage on her, telling she is a -friendly person- and things like that. I highly rage on her thinking she is a -friendly person-, but her brother is dead. She said that no need to be angry on a sick persons like me and that's all. I remember my feeling when my cat is died and it was impossible to get past over it. I can't even imagine a feeling when my brother (don't bring a God) will die. It's impossible pain to get past over it. Anyways, I used to keep troll.  I should mentioned that I acted very weird and aside from picture with a bear was a weird insults, which I never think that I am possible to be made. It (this page) is affected on my psyche very hard. I can't even explain how I did such weird thing by myself, I trolled almost 500 girls and it's really didn't left from my mind. I got a serious mental disease regarding this fact, more then that, I realized how I acted and I never perform such thing anymore. There is one thing, however, people over last 5 years became very different and nobody gets mad on as simple trolls, they just started to be a real fools, which forced to sit on a parents neck or having a guardianship from another people, as life from last 5 years became incredible hard, and especially, when you want to troll and you realize nobody accept your game anymore. I should admit people those days became much more weird rather then 5 years ago. Regarding guardianship from another people. I got a "helping" post recently. I explained my situation of forum, and, one from no much at count posts were said like if I had an guardianship from another people or parents. I acted adequate and said parents always guard me, getting a food and mostly that's it. She were said that with those diagnosis some guy having a guardianship and gets into a life by having only professional qualities somewhat "implements" into a society with only professional qualities. I was always in question what would be ini case he doesn't had a professional qualities or some talent, he would lied in a mental hospital and people would never even communicate with him, because right now people became absolutely animals and have no morals. I didn't understand one thing: why I should have a guardianship from parents as I am young enough to live on a parent's neck and it should not lead to a guardianship, however, this extremely hard times, it even probably would since at age 30 you have to get a regular life without parent's help. I also noticed that there are a lot of people which can't crfeate a proper food for themselfs, and only life creating a food for them, but, for some unknown reason, those people turned out to be absoultely normal and smart which doesn't need a guardianship from parents or another people. I should admit that I am being a programmer and I am right now required a guardianship from parents and walk everywhere (by doctors, etc) with parents as people simply don't hear me and don't relate me as a living human, rather then -dimwit- which can't talk. I should admit being coded for a while I lost ability to talk normally, so, someone from doctor were always asking if I can to have a talk, which pissed me off and I know for sure it's a high level of disrespect (relate me as a fool, i.e. not a human at all). I get pissed of from that dumb -crap-, how much crap from people whos can't live without a wife and wife is a mother for them, but nobody tell or think they require a people simply don't respect and don't talk with me at all, keep pretend I am a fool. Those time it's extremely hard to integrate into a society, as people became in 100x times weird rather than, let's say, again, 5 years before when I trolled to people. I should mention that I read a psyche forum and one guy keep used to acted weird and having always a scandals with his parents. He get's an guardship, he is extremely limited at his rights because he has a scandals, however, he might just protect his rights and people act absolutely insane regarding him as a normal human. I keep used to think he just want to protect his rights, however, he got just limited at his rights and turned out a regular fool in regular human's eyes. What in case he tried to protect himself from aggression from another side? It works extremely weird. Anyway, regarding that post from her. She said like I should not "implements" myself into a society, as it simple no way to knock into closed doors, but I am aware that I should come into a society not with my professional qualities, rather then "implements" myself as a regular, normal human by normal human rights and qualities. She also were saying that I should not have sex, as monks somehow live without it, on what I said that monks 90% of times thinks about having a sex. In case I want live without sex I should became a monk, it's not like monks live without a sex and then I also could. No, I should then became a monk and wear special clothes they were. It's not so easy to get rid from sex. Anyways, while I did played in GTA as I am not being able to code, I regularly think about point of life and having happiness. I used to play GTA for a while, but one day -crap- happed. The neighbors listen a music in their home and sound of the music is very annoyed me. I used to suffer with sound very much and asked a father to get and sort out this kind of thing. He then said that this neighbor should listen a music as he have a right for it, on what I said that it annoys me. It looks like he protects him in danni of me, and I don't really get why he doesn't come to a neighbor and asking them to turn off the music or make the sound lower.  I think the reason why he didn't gets to a neighbor is that because people became absolutely trash crap and he won't do this for sure, as he has his rights and he will do that even that, for example, my mother was dying due to hard infarct, it's just nobody cares those days, absolutely. People became absolutely trash and everyone live by an animal laws. This neighbor was an alcoholic, to say the least. After that, there was a scandal with my mother and father, I said that I have to live alone in silence, however, they doesn't performed any action to help me, their own son and was always busy with their work as a main business. After that, we called an ambulance and a police. They were saying if they want to write a dichiarazione, on which they said they not. The dichiarazione is to get me into a mental house, the dichiarazione  was required to put me into a mental hospital, as they are have no right to put me into a mental hospital without acceptance of a parents and they should write a dichiarazione before. After that, I went on a high tono speaking weird with them, then, two guys forced me to get out from bad where I lied and gets my hands back, so I didn't run away. The tried to do an injection, on which I was really very scared as it might negatively affects me, I, then, said "where bird?" and asked to not inject me as injector is a death. Regarding "where bird?" and "look, bird" I posted to you it's something existential for me as I tried to get open secret of the whole life and that thing "look, bird" always helped me. I used to think that bird is a point of life and people always have a bird, rather then having sex as normal humans are didn't -expletive- as they have a imbarazzo (google it). I then, to get rid from injection, said everything about my thinking of life, the bird, the perpetual motion machine and the Creator. I used to keep talking with medicine worker and said everything I have in mind. I said like there are lot of fools and I'm not a fool. After that, I being moved into a mental house. In mental house I acted weird, called everyone a fools, and I got a bindings, it's when you get linked to a bad and can't move. I used to lie for a few days being linked to a bad, and, once I went into a complete trash, I got hit by his fist around the  heart. This called a physical violence and I never though I will be hit by a physical violence there. After that, I got unlinked from the bad, however, I still feel myself bad.  I always can't explain to a doctor how exactly I feel bad, on what she said she can't help as she doesn't knows exactly how I feel bad. Anyway, when I feel completely bad, I turned out to say "where bird?", on what medical workers just simply ignored. I said that I need heavy drugs because I feel bad, I said that they gave me any kind of drugs, but they didn't hear me. I think they just don't respect me, as they always keep saying "there are no millioners in there". At this point, I always been sure I am a millioner, as I wrote 300 posts in Bugatti at that time, however, they didn't replied me. I always was sure that they will reply me and give me a Bugatti car, however, until now I got around 00 messages with crying to get me Bugatti car, however, they still doesn't reply me. I always though how big money were made and guessing about point of life might be a secret, however, after 500 messages I wrote to a Bugatti, it turned out to be it's completely wrong, and they understand only money. Of course, I asked about to give me at least Lamborghini, on what they didn't replied either. I ased to have a good home at least, but they didn't replied either. Right now I think that thinking about point of life will never give you a money, the money are being earned with a lot of effort they put in. Anyways, it's like what you think about yourself an who you are. I always used to think I deserve a Bugatti car and I will get it as I am a great person, but it's not like that, or it's because I am not that great, either. I got get out from mental house to home (with a lot of things including a reanimation), and at home I was feeling better, however, there was a thing like scary of death, I am scared for my own death. Right now I am writing and now I am keep thinking I will die in any moment. It -toasted- up my intelligence and I always been walking in my room, from the beginning of it to its end since I can't even play games in such state, not by saying to code something. Anyways, I then went into a daily hospital. We (my mother and me) used to think I will be there from 8 to 14 hours and lie on a bad, and they will spectate on me and getting helpful medicaments, but it turned out that I should go there twice a day to be on a round (can't get  a proper english word) and drink a tablets they give, after that, I visited it only once to drink tablets and they give me tablets on the rest of the day. After that, they knocked me out from a daily hospital, however, I always used to tell I feel very bad and I am suffocating, but they doesn't put it into an attention. I am keep suffering from scary of death and thinking about point of life, my body is breaks down and thus, I have to walk by a room and can't lie on a bad as I feel a wild discomfort. I used to keep thinking all people living lust, but I can't have a proof for it. I used to spectate people and the thing I realized I am much dumber then another people, I feel like a maniac, a psychopath, living on a hardcore not being able to drink even a bottle of a beer as it conflicts with medical treatment and I may die since the tables I drink is the most powerful and effective ones, but they doesn't help me either. Regarding point of life. I am not going into my schizophrenia, but I used to think people are really living lust and hide it each second, make such people like me a fools, which gets into mental hospitals multiple times or even a jail. I lost the importance of myself. I am right now keep thinking I am a regular -dimwit-, same as another people. I used to keep think there is a God, and no aliens at all, I pray to God, I think the God is the only one can save me from "schizophrenia by bird". I think there is no such medical treatment from get rid me from insanity, only God or helpers from God can help me. Usually, any living human should pray and keep thinking about God, the fact that it's doubtfully exists or not is losing a faith, which is really bad.
    • tracy_j
      Thank you for sharing. It is often said that a weight shared is a weight halved and I think many of us here can attest to that being true. I can remember from my short time in military service that being confined with a small group of people does increase stress no end. I am glad that you were able to serve well but obviously sad that you were so stressed while doing so. It is so slow that people realise that many things in modern service can now be done by anyone with the right aptitude and training. Gender does not come into it.   Tracy
    • Ann W
      When the student is ready...the dress will appear.  Good luck with the wife.
    • Ann W
      Thank you ladies. 😊  That coat was a lucky break.  I was walking into Goodwill just as an employee was putting it out.  I never paid 20 bucks for anything there before, but it was really sweet, and still new with tags from Nordstrom Rack on it.  I've had some really good luck at that store lately.
    • Lexi C
      I am M2F  I assume that being with men was part of being a woman.  However, I find myself more and more attracted to women then I ever have. I  am unable to get  erection anymore thanks to not having any more testosterone and being on finasteride., cuz I'm bald.  I haven't watch porn since I start HRT 3 yrs ago. Yet, I can't stop feeling that if I am going to be a woman I should on be attracted to men.  A lot of you know my past. I escort ( CD and finally as TG) only so I could save to start my HRT and put some away for surgeries  just in case Medical didn't come through. So I had my share of male encounters, but I was never attracted to them the way I am to women. I know some of you are married, were married, are in a committing relationship.  I guess want I am  trying to say is: We finally achieve our true self only to be confused or abandon do to our sexuality . I finally become a woman( and that's hard in it self) just to be mentally confused. And I am not even mention the fact that dating has being a Zero. Unless i go back escort WHICH I AM NOT. I don't know...sorry for the rant, not doing well mentally and this is add to my dysphoria . Ty Lexi    
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