What a selfish human being

[Heather Shay]

[Elizabeth Star]

I’m still proud of Marie Newman for putting up a trans pride flag. 
 

 

[Jackie C.]

Funniest thing I saw yesterday: I was watching a Jammidodger (he's a trans-man) and his video about Straight Pride. He showed us a post somebody made on (I think Facebook) where they had bought a transgender rights flag and declared that it represents straight rights. "The blue is for men. The pink is for women. The white represents the purity of heterosexuality." Then they proudly hung it on their wall.

 

Not going to lie though, the flag was a nice size, I want one for the house.

 

!00% with Marie Newman on this. There is... well, should be... no place for hate in the halls of power. Ever.

 

Hugs!

 

Oh, and I also moved this thread into the politics section. Carry on.

[Carolyn Marie]

Yes, Taylor-Greene is not a nice, or honest, person.  I'm glad we have allies in Congress.

 

Carolyn Marie

[HollyElizabeth]

Things like this makes me so sick. Only a bigoted closed minded person would put up a sign stating just how much of an uncaring thoughtless person they are. Seriously, even if you actually thought that, why would you need a sign for it. Vote her out of office or just remove her from where she is. Don't let those people be in charge of anything for anyone.

[Jackie C.]

1 hour ago, HollyNoel said:

Vote her out of office or just remove her from where she is. Don't let those people be in charge of anything for anyone.

 

That's a nice thought, but people just like her voted her into office in the first place and those people voted for her on the basis of, "She hates the same people we hate." They have to wear their hate on their sleeves now, it's how they get votes. Kind of a bizarro version of virtue signaling.

 

I sure wouldn't vote for her, but apparently in her district people who find her hate appealing outnumber the people who find her views repugnant. 

 

Hugs!

[HollyElizabeth]

@Jackie C. Here's another nice thought that's more or less wishful thinking.

 

Can we vote those people out of the US entirely? 

 

The we don't have to worry that those people will put another bigot in charge of anyone. lol

 

XOXO Holly.

[Jackie C.]

1 hour ago, HollyNoel said:

Can we vote those people out of the US entirely? 

 

I think that would require an amendment at least.

 

Though to be fair, if it turns out that they outnumber people that think like I do, I'd be OK with being voted out to somewhere where my views were more mainstream. I hear that Denmark is nice.

 

Hugs!

[2beBreanna]

Talk like this makes yall no better than them.  It's wrong to hate and judge anyone.  And clumping everyone into the same basket is also bad.  Not everyone has the same exact ideals 100%.  People can agree with some of one person's ideas, and disagree with other ideas.  Talk of getting rid of people you don't agree with is horrible.  

 

Teach more than hate.  Expand people's ideas. Learn to listen FULLY to understand where thoughts are coming from.

[Jackie C.]

Sorry, I thought the /snark tag was implied.

 

Obviously I'm in favor of education at all levels. Educated and well-traveled people are less likely to hate other people for being different and celebrate those differences instead. Basically, we all should be exposed to ideas from outside our own little communities. Of course that's coming from a xenophile, so make of that what you will.

 

Hugs!

[MelanieTamara]

I'm going to disagree a bit here. I actually support Marjorie Taylor Greene's right to put up her two gender silly poster board.

 

Why?

 

Because I'm old enough to remember that in the not too distant past, Representative Marie Newman would have been harassed, beaten, and probably expelled from congress for displaying her trans pride flag.

 

Only through our 1st amendment rights, brilliant activism, and the majority poplulation's realization that everyone has a right to speak, can Rep Newman display the Trans pride flag. Thus, no matter how much we dislike Greene's position, she has that same right, no matter how much we may disagree.

 

 

[HollyElizabeth]

I don’t hate them, just hate the way they think. 
 

There is a difference. It’s like the saying, Don’t hate the player, hate the game. I just hate their closed mindedness. 
 

XOXO Holly. 

[Jackie C.]

Ah, the tolerance paradox. Short version: If you tolerate intolerance as a tolerant society, the intolerance takes over. You need to stamp out intolerance before that happens. Basically the only form of free speech that you cannot tolerate in a tolerant society is intolerance.

 

Egad, tolerance doesn't sound like a word anymore, but you get the idea.

 

Hugs!

[2beBreanna]

So you become intolerant.  See where that becomes an issue?  If no one is free to think differently there will never be advances in society. 

[Heather Shay]

I guess I actually disobeyed my first rule about people like her. Bad press is generally better than good press and her intolerance and notirity grows. I have found the best remedy for these types is to give them NO PRESS. And so I am sorry I brought her up. She does not deserve extra space here and I would like to see this post removed...although on the bright side I do like and appreciate all your views and they are all valid and good arguments for giving freedom of speech. Had the press lived by my rule she could do whatever she want and not get what I believe she wanted all along....press and her name in the news.

Sorry I disobeyed my own rule.

[Charlize]

This woman doesn't make me angry as much as sad.  Having lived through a time where "love it or leave it" was a constant theme i'll survive this stuff.  She is a pitiful person!  We must expect pushback.  In the last few years we have made awesome progress towards being understood and accepted.  Not surprising that that has become difficult for some.  As Trump moves into the background these folks will hopefully crawl back under their rocks.

In the meantime "keep on truck'n"

 

Hugs,

 

Charlize

[Heather Shay]

@Charlize wise words from a wise woman. "Right on."

[VickySGV]

Greene certainly pointed three fingers and a thumb at herself and what she needs to get on top of with her last sentence on the sign.  6th grade science from 60 years ago (the science I got in 6th grade -- for real) needs to be caught up to present day levels for her and the rest of the U.S..  The people for whom she is a leader are going to be harming themselves as the rest of the country moves into this century, I am just afraid they will take Trans people even further into their misery with them, and they will not see that they are the cause of the ill's they endure.

[CD Rachel]

 

In my opinion.

 

The greatest document ever written tells me to love my enemies. It is easy to love those who dress like you and think like you but it is far more difficult to love those who are different then you or who do not think as you do.

 

 

The second greatest document ever written tells me that all men are created equal. Therefor we are all guaranteed certain rights as has been endowed upon us by our maker.

 

 

 

Freedom of speech or expression is one of the guaranteed rights. That means that no matter how wrong I think your opinion is you have the right to express it. When a government or a society no longer allows freedom of speech then groups will be alienated, cut off, and become divisive. Intolerance will only breed more intolerance.

 

 

The freedom of expression is altered if it is used to force others to obey your way of thinking. The libertarian way to see things is to say do what you like as long as you do not bring harm to others. Sorry but being butt hurt by someone else's expression of their opinions or way of life is not being harmed, get over it.

 

 

 

The greatest tragedy to ever befall our country is when the courts decided to allow free speech to be limited to only what a majority considers safe and acceptable. This happened when Hate speech became considered non protected freedom of speech. So who gets to decide what is hate speech?

 

 

 

Ah well, thanks for giving us all an opportunity to use this post as a safe place to express and share our diversity of opinions. I know that my former self held many trans-phobic opinions that I have had to confront head on. I now hope to someday take part in a Transgender Day of Visibility or even a gay pride parade. I am just glad that I was given the time that I needed to learn and to grow and discover the truth about my self and those of the LGBTQ community.

 

 

Rachel

[CD Rachel]

5 hours ago, Charlize said:

As Trump moves into the background these folks will hopefully crawl back under their rocks.

 

@Charlize Be careful what you wish for. If forced to hide under their rocks they will plot and plan and then you and I will be the first against the wall when the revolution comes. I far prefer that they remain a part of our society where I can see them and hopefully demonstrate to them that love and tolerance is a better path then hate and intolerance. 

 

 

Rachel

[KimmieElise]

4 hours ago, CD Rachel said:

The greatest tragedy to ever befall our country is when the courts decided to allow free speech to be limited to only what a majority considers safe and acceptable. This happened when Hate speech became considered non protected freedom of speech. So who gets to decide what is hate speech?

I would say it goes back some what further than that.  I point to key cases such  as Wickard vs Filburn back in 1942 and Everson vs. The Board of Education in 1947.  In both cases, the government increased its reach far beyond what it should have.  Among others, these cases were pushed through to erode personal freedoms in one respect or another.  These two cases reflect ideas born in our education system dating back to around the beginning of the 20th Century.  There is a decided attitude among some degree of those who are politically entwined, most of whom have found sanctuary in our institutions of higher learning, the people are too stupid to know what is best for themselves, and therefore personal freedoms are counter-productive to the welfare of the whole.

 

There has been, since at least that long, and probably dating back before the U.S. Civil War a certain attraction of Americans to various ideologies, and see what ever given ideology they attach themselves to to dominate the cultural and political landscape.  This has been a bi-partisan propensity, which has ebbed and flowed between the respective sides like ocean tides.  The current ideological preference has deemed "hate speech" must be silenced, saying things like "words are violence."  Somehow, in the process, however "hate speech" has stopped being something you'd expect from the KKK, Black Panthers, the American Nazi Party, or various extremist religious organizations, to being "speech I hate."

 

In the psychology of Jung, most people have a "shadow."  Our shadows are those parts of ourselves we repress.  While most people think they can choke their shadow out of existence, the shadow is part of the whole, and can't be killed.  What happens when someone suppresses their shadow for a long period of time, it will resurface given the correct set of circumstances when our repressed side pushes to the surface and tries to reassert itself.  I think this provides a great analogy for the United States, and to some extent Canada  and largely Western Civilization.  People, when suppressed, will lash out.  The more people are suppressed, the harder they will eventually lash out.  The ability to speak and be heard is vital to preventing a disaster.  Those who feel they are not being heard will eventually become very dangerous, when they feel they are given no say in the conversation at hand.

 

We saw this happen at Stonewall in 1969, when our community reached a point where we could no longer allow ourselves to go unheard and the result was several days of violence, where really people were really hurt.  I think it is possible to some greater or lesser extent the incident at the U.S. Capitol on January 6 of this year might have been something of a manifestation of this very principle, that the 200 or so people who entered the Capitol may have felt they weren't being heard.  I am not saying this to justify what happened, but to point out there might be an underlying lesson we can learn from the incident.  I can't say for sure, but what I do know if very few people perceive themselves as malicious.  Most people on the Right and the Left feel they genuinely have the countries best interest at heart, and want a happy, healthy, and prosperous nation.

 

Hanlan's Razor says, "Do not attribute to malice that which can be explained by stupidity."  Greene is probably not malicious, nor even any more irresponsible than just about anyone else.  She is likely in possession of a point of view which is based on incomplete information and tainted by various biases and much like everyone else informed by the current climate, which I think has just about every feeling attacked and defensive.

 

The lady in the office across from Greene put of a trans flag, and Greene put up her little sign.   I don't think either the symbols or anyone passing between them are going to spontaneously combust.  Why even give this more time and attention than is appropriate.  There is a difference of opinion and perspective and that's something we already knew.  I say let people be open about who they are.  Let's not suppress our national shadow.  Let's not force people into corners where they will feel they have no option but to lash out.  Like in Jung's psychology the healing comes when the shadow is integrated.

[KimmieElise]

10 hours ago, Charlize said:

As Trump moves into the background these folks will hopefully crawl back under their rocks.

In the meantime "keep on truck'n"

 

I actually doubt the Trump supporters will give up and go away any time soon.  The Congress has made him something of a martyr now with this latest impeachment attempt.  The man was out of office, but the House decided that wasn't good enough.  That action was punitive and I think largely hardened the stance of many Trump supporters.  I read their comments and many of them are very frustrated, feel attacked, feel treated unfairly, and don't understand why the Democrats and the Left is doing a lot of the things they are doing, when you read between the lines.

 

[Carolyn Marie]

Topic locked at the request of the originator.

 

Carolyn Marie