Jump to content
  • Welcome to the TransPulse Forums!

    We offer a safe, inclusive community for transgender and gender non-conforming folks, as well as their loved ones, to find support and information.  Join today!

Calling TERF and cisgender slurs


Dana Michelle

Recommended Posts

I've seen a lot of people say that TERF and cisgender are slurs. I haven't seen them used that way, but I have seen a lot of words weaponized, so it wouldn't surprise me if someone weaponized those terms as well. In particular, I've seen the words "privilege" and "appropriation" get weaponized, including against transgender people. However, I have not seen other terms get called slurs except TERF and cisgender. Has anyone else seen non-trans terms get called slurs in ways similar to the way TERF and cisgender get called slurs?

Link to comment
  • Admin

Well, I've seen the words "woke," "politically correct," "liberal, "conservative," "transgender agenda," and a few others words "weaponized."  Whether or not any or all are slurs largely depends on who is hurling them, and who is on the receiving end.  Isn't that always the way it is, though?

 

Carolyn Marie

Link to comment
  • Forum Moderator

TERF is KIND of a slur. I mean it's basically calling the person transphobic. I don't think I'd use it unless the person involved is acting as a trans-exclusive radical feminist though. Basically using her feminism as a way to discriminate. It would probably slide off my back, but I'd get downright nasty if she was going after one of my sisters. Much the same way I'd call a cop who pulled over one of my darker friends for "driving while black" a racist. I mean neither are nice words.

 

Cisgender is just a medical term though, so I don't know what's up with that. It would be like calling me out on having asthma. I've heard people react to it like it was a slur (cisgender, not asthmatic), but I'm mostly baffled when they do.

 

Like @Carolyn Marie says though, when some groups get ahold of certain terms, they use them like a slur. Even if it's silly.

 

Hugs!

Link to comment

Hi Dana, Terf is an acronym I had to look up a year or so ago, but is rarely used as one.

Really it has grown beyond it's T.E.R.F (Trans Exclusionary Radical Feminist) descriptor origins the same way Ned has through popular use in the UK. (N.E.D = Non Educated Deliquent).

Any word can become a slur purely through intent and context, but pretending to advocate for womens rights while deliberately actively campaigning to negate the rights of a subsection of women who are statistically in just as much need of those rights is exclusionary at best, and a definite "ism". 

It is known as "othering" and is a cheap but destructive trick to create a false bond by giving both parties common ground in the form of another enemy. ?

I also dislike the way the word radical is often used these days, but like Carolyn has already stated many words are weaponised on both sides when they are used with the intent to hurt rather than educate. An obvious example would be that politicians do it all the time through repetition of certain words and slogans in their speeches.

Link to comment

I had to Google "TERF" ... now I know ☺️

Since TERF is an acronym I think if it is just being used to describe somebody's behavior it wouldn't necessarily be a slur, but it is a bit of a harsh accusation. 

I think if it is directed as a label at somebody personally, then Yes, definitely a slur. 

 

As Trans-people I think we need to be very careful in our choice of words and labels.  Since we are often the target, we have to set a good example to those looking for any reason they can find to condemn us or worse.

Link to comment
8 hours ago, KayC said:

I had to Google "TERF" ... now I know ☺️

Since TERF is an acronym I think if it is just being used to describe somebody's behavior it wouldn't necessarily be a slur, but it is a bit of a harsh accusation. 

I think if it is directed as a label at somebody personally, then Yes, definitely a slur. 

 

As Trans-people I think we need to be very careful in our choice of words and labels.  Since we are often the target, we have to set a good example to those looking for any reason they can find to condemn us or worse.

I agree that TERF can be a harsh accusation but I think other accusations like bigot, sexist, racist, homophobe, ableist, xenophobe, etc. can be just as harsh, but I have not seen these terms get called slurs. I've seen a lot of people throw these terms around and justify it by saying "The lives of marginalized people are more important than peoples' feelings" (as though false accusations of bigotry are going to save someone's life).

Link to comment
  • 8 months later...

If TERF can be considered a slur, then would words referring to other forms of bigotry also be slurs? Are the words bigot, sexist, misogynist, male chauvinist, pervert, racist, homophobe, ableist, xenophobe also slurs? I think there is something wrong with the way people call TERF a slur without also calling other strong accusations slurs.


What about accusations that are about things other than bigotry? Are those words also slurs? For example: liar, cheater, thief, butt kisser, brown-noser, suck-up, narc, tattle-tale, party pooper, credit grabber, snob, troublemaker, traitor, slacker, poser, bully, science denier, loud mouth, potty mouth, slob, user, abuser, copycat, moocher, fraudster, blackmailer, manipulator, home wrecker.


I've seem people say that cisgender is a slur because it means that cisgender women are a subcategory of women and cisgender men are a subcategory of men, and people find that demeaning. They think transwomen are transwomen and transmen are transmen, but ciswomen are just women, and cismen are just men. I think it seems transphobic to say that sub-categorizing cisgender people is demeaning but to insist on sub-categorizing transgender people. When used in this way, I think the statement "cisgender is a slur" is a slur against transgender people.

Link to comment
  • Forum Moderator
1 hour ago, Dana Michelle said:

They think transwomen are transwomen and transmen are transmen, but ciswomen are just women, and cismen are just men.

That is one reason why I never write "transwomen" (or "ciswomen" for that matter) as one word.  I always write it as "trans women" to emphasize that we are a type of women, not a totally separate category.

Link to comment
  • Admin
1 hour ago, Dana Michelle said:

What about accusations that are about things other than bigotry? Are those words also slurs? For example: liar, cheater, thief, butt kisser, brown-noser, suck-up, narc, tattle-tale, party pooper, credit grabber, snob, troublemaker, traitor, slacker, poser, bully, science denier, loud mouth, potty mouth, slob, user, abuser, copycat, moocher, fraudster, blackmailer, manipulator, home wrecker.

 

 

One dictionary definition I've read says this about the word "slur:"

 

an insinuation or allegation about someone that is likely to insult them or damage their reputation.

 

So, many of the words you mention could probably be considered slurs if they were aimed at someone with that intent.  I had to laugh at "party pooper," though.  I haven't heard that phrase in a long time.  It wouldn't amount to much of a slur, IMO.  🤣

 

Carolyn Marie

Link to comment

 

1 hour ago, Dana Michelle said:

They think transwomen are transwomen and transmen are transmen, but ciswomen are just women, and cismen are just men.

Hi everyone, my own two cents on this... I do not deny that I am a transgender woman, but I also do not feel a need to qualify my womanhood that way nor is my womanhood determined by any anatomy I may or may not have now or in the future. Rather it is my sense of self as a person with a gender and how I choose to express my gender. ❤️

 

Love,

~Audrey.

Link to comment
  • Who's Online   8 Members, 0 Anonymous, 130 Guests (See full list)

    • Timi
    • Ivy
    • SamC
    • Lenneth
    • Susie
    • MaryEllen
    • Ashley0616
    • Vidanjali
  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    • No registered users viewing this page.
  • Forum Statistics

    • Total Topics
      80.7k
    • Total Posts
      768.4k
  • Member Statistics

    • Total Members
      12,025
    • Most Online
      8,356

    JamesyGreen
    Newest Member
    JamesyGreen
    Joined
  • Today's Birthdays

    1. Alscully
      Alscully
      (35 years old)
    2. floruisse
      floruisse
      (40 years old)
    3. Jasmine25
      Jasmine25
      (22 years old)
    4. Trev0rK
      Trev0rK
      (26 years old)
  • Posts

    • Timi
      Jeans and a white sweater. And cute white sneakers. Delivering balloons to a bunch of restaurants supporting our LGBT Community Center fundraiser today!
    • April Marie
      Congratulations to you!!!This is so wonderful!!
    • missyjo
      I've no desire to present androgynous..nothing wrong with it but I am a girl n wish to present as a girl. shrugs, if androgynous works fir others good. always happy someone finds a solution or happiness    today black jeans  black wedges..purple camisole under white n black polka dot blouse half open   soft smile to all 
    • MaeBe
      I have read some of it, mostly in areas specifically targeted at the LGBTQ+ peoples.   You also have to take into account what and who is behind the words, not just the words themselves. Together that creates context, right? Let's take some examples, under the Department of Health & Human Services section:   "Radical actors inside and outside government are promoting harmful identity politics that replaces biological sex with subjective notions of “gender identity” and bases a person’s worth on his or her race, sex, or other identities. This destructive dogma, under the guise of “equity,” threatens American’s fundamental liberties as well as the health and well-being of children and adults alike."   or   "Families comprised of a married mother, father, and their children are the foundation of a well-ordered nation and healthy society. Unfortunately, family policies and programs under President Biden’s HHS are fraught with agenda items focusing on “LGBTQ+ equity,” subsidizing single-motherhood, disincentivizing work, and penalizing marriage. These policies should be repealed and replaced by policies that support the formation of stable, married, nuclear families."   From a wording perspective, who doesn't want to protect the health and well-being of Americans or think that families aren't good for America? But let's take a look at the author, Roger Severino. He's well-quoted to be against LGBTQ+ anything, has standard christian nationalist views, supports conversion therapy, etc.   So when he uses words like "threatens the health and well-being of children and adults alike" it's not about actual health, it's about enforcing cis-gendered ideology because he (and the rest of the Heritage Foundation) believe LGBTQ+ people and communities are harmful. Or when he invokes the family through the lens of, let's just say dog whistles including the "penalization of marriage" (how and where?!), he idealizes families involving marriage of a "biological male to a biological female" and associates LGBTQ+ family equity as something unhealthy.   Who are the radical actors? Who is telling people to be trans, gay, or queer in general? No one. The idea that there can be any sort of equity between LGBTQ+ people and "normal" cis people is abhorrent to the author, so the loaded language of radical/destructive/guise/threaten are used. Families that he believes are "good" are stable/well-ordered/healthy, specifically married/nuclear ones.   Start looking into intersectionality of oppression of non-privileged groups and how that affects the concept of the family and you will understand that these platitudes are thinly veiled wrappers for christian nationalist ideology.   What's wrong with equity for queer families, to allow them full rights as parents, who are bringing up smart and able children? Or single mothers who are working three jobs to get food on plates?
    • Ashley0616
      Well yesterday didn't work like I wanted to. I met a guy and started talking and he was wanting to be in a relationship. I asked my kids on how they thought of me dating a man and they said gross and said no. I guess it's time to look for women. I think that is going to be harder. Oh well I guess.  
    • Ashley0616
      I don't have anything in my dress pocket
    • Carolyn Marie
      This topic reminds me of the lyrics to the Beatles song, "A Little Help From My Friends."   "What do you see when you turn out the lights?"   "I can't tell you but I know it's mine."   Carolyn Marie
    • Abigail Genevieve
      @Ivy have you read the actual document?   Has anyone else out there read it?
    • Abigail Genevieve
      I am reading the Project 2025 document https://www.project2025.org/policy/   This will take some time.  I read the forward and I want to read it again later.   I read some criticism of it outside here and I will be looking for it in the light of what has been posted here and there.  Some of the criticism is bosh.   @MaeBe have you read the actual document?
    • RaineOnYourParade
      *older, not holder, oops :P
    • Abigail Genevieve
      No problem!
    • RaineOnYourParade
      Old topic, but I gotta say my favorites are: "Stop hitting on minors" (doesn't work if you're holder tho) and "Sure as [squid] not you"
    • Carolyn Marie
      Abigail, I think we will just leave the other posts where they are, and the discussion can start anew here.  It is possible to do what you ask, but would disrupt the flow of the discussion in the other thread, and would require more work than it's worth.   Carolyn Marie
    • Abigail Genevieve
      I am in too good a mood to earn my certificate today. I am sure something will happen that will put me on the path to earning it.
    • Abigail Genevieve
      It's likely most cis-women consider a fitting unnecessary "because they know what  they wear" and get used to the wrong size.  The instructions for what your size is are simple and why go to any further effort?  You measure your bandsize and you measure your max and subtract the two to get the needed info for the cup size.  Then you buy the same size for years until it hurts or something.
  • Upcoming Events

Contact TransPulse

TransPulse can be contacted in the following ways:

Email: Click Here.

To report an error on this page.

Legal

Your use of this site is subject to the following rules and policies, whether you have read them or not.

Terms of Use
Privacy Policy
DMCA Policy
Community Rules

Hosting

Upstream hosting for TransPulse provided by QnEZ.

Sponsorship

Special consideration for TransPulse is kindly provided by The Breast Form Store.
×
×
  • Create New...