Male privilege

[Denise savulski]

I'm starting on mt journey and I want to know how many mtf transgender have experienced male privileges and where if you stayed male you could advance in your career much easier because you were part of the Good"Ol"boys club and now after you've transitioned your taken advantage of

[Jackie C.]

Hard to say, I genuinely want to help out and I'm not really motivated by money so I've had a LOT of people walk all over me in my professional life. For example: My current "part-time" job features 50 hour weeks because I couldn't let one of our kiddos slip through the cracks.

 

So for me anyway, status-quo but a lot of male-privilege is transparent while you're getting it. It's only REALLY noticeable from the outside while you're getting passed over again and again.

 

On the third hand, my current industry is female dominated so I'm not sure if MP really exists at the level where I'm at. I was talking to a co-worker just last week who got passed over for a position in favor of a woman. He's fantastic and I think he'd do great in the position, but corporate had other ideas.

 

Hugs!

[Red_Lauren.]

Being male never got me more money. Mostly because I didn't want the responsibilities that came with it. Before I transitioned I was offered a job at my old job. That ment four dollars more a hour. I turned it down because of the headache it is, and it would have meant. I was one step closer to management, and that was another thing I never wanted. At least at place I never owned. 

 

Now I'm working retail for now. While the pay sucks. I'm 100% happier, and in July I'm going to beauty school for nails. Where the avg pay for this state. Was more then what I was making working in a factory. 

[rainflower]

I was definitely treated differently when I was presenting male. It seemed like I had more authority. Also with women, after transitioning I have much more female friends that are more open with me and want to spend time with me, which is nice and I prefer that. For work, I work in a female dominated profession, like out of 130+ workers where I am at, there are less than 10 males. So that didn't really change anything, in fact recently I got a promotion, after being out there for over a year. So essentially I got a job where the boys club doesn't exist, and that really helps.

[rainflower]

4 hours ago, Ellie Jean said:

...I don't really believe in male privilege, female privilege, white privilege or black privilege; everyone is created equal in my mind, and all groups have upsides and downsides; that's just the nature of the Universe. Identity politics is too divisive in my opinion; our differences are what unite us as human beings; identity politics focuses on isolating all the differences and segregating everyone into different categories from the looks of it...I wish people just saw other people as PEOPLE again. I miss that. ?

Don't be blind to the issues, there is privilege based on race/sex/ethnicity/gender/economic status etc. and others suffer for it. There has never been a time in recorded history were people saw other people as people, the only difference is now these things are getting labels and brought into the light to be confronted.

[miz miranda]

How does substituting one form of bigotry for another help improve society? I find the concept of privilege to be 'acceptable prejudice'  that has been driven by political ideology. There is no question that there are significant inequalities in the world. There isn't a simple cause nor a simple solution. My goal is to have evidence before I judge someone. Human beings are extremely tribal thus less trusting of those that are different and reluctant to stray from their tribes world view.

 

I think we confuse entitlement with privilege. I worked in technology in the 70s, 80s and 90s when it was almost entirely a male field. In my personal experience, I was guilty of having preconceptions about women in technology that I learned over time were just bias. I preferred working with women because they more likely to discuss issues than dictate the solution. I did discover that those men that behaved with what we would now term privilege were mostly viewed with the same dislike by the women and men I worked with.

[rainflower]

5 hours ago, Ellie Jean said:

That's a bleak and dismal view of humanity; I don't buy it personally. Like I said, every group has upsides and downsides. One of the downsides of being a male is that it's only socially acceptable to feel three emotions; "Fine/Okay", "Angry" or "-excited-". If you express any other emotion, society labels you a wuss lol. ALL groups have upsides, downsides, good qualities and bad qualities. That's the nature of duality; that's the nature of yin and yang, that's the fundamental nature of the whole Universe. Trying to say any one group is "more" or "less" is....illogical lol. Especially in America where all Americans have the same Bill of Rights under the same Constitution. 

One of the downsides of being white for example is that anyone who isn't white will probably automatically think you're a racist just because of the color of your skin; happens to me all the time. Didn't used to. I wonder why??? Kidding lol. I know exactly why racism against white people is on the rise. (Identity politics. It's divisive lol.)

Hell, look at our school system (what's left of it.) A lot of teachers are leaving because of the "Critical Race Theory" bull crap that's being forced on them, because, for some baffling reason lol, teachers just aren't comfortable with teaching kids that there's something wrong with the color of their skin. They don't want to tell black kids that they'll never be good enough in the eyes of society. They don't want to tell white kids that they're inherently racist because of what their ancestors did hundreds of years ago. Why don't they want to teach kids these things? Because it's racist, and Contrary to what the left would have you believe, America isn't a racist country. The left is definitely a racist party though if you ask me; all they ever see is race lmao. And it's disgusting. They don't judge people based on the quality of their character; they judge them based on their race and gender...so they're SEXIST too lmao. 

I know I'm probably a minority in my beliefs. I know it's dangerous to share my opinion. I don't care. 
Nowadays it's dangerous to be anything but a super "woke" liberal socialist lol. Anyone with a different viewpoint is just a racist lmao. "Worse than Hitler!" ??

PS: Yeah, people in my country at least DID see other people as people. At least they did before Obama started telling everyone race was still a serious issue...despite becoming friggin' PRESIDENT lmao. XD I gotta love the hypocritical irony; just gotta laugh at it sometimes lol. Like when Biden said masks work but walls don't. That cracked me up lmao. XD

Anyhoo....yeah, this country gonna get ran into the ground now. I'm just sitting back with a bucket of popcorn waiting for the new Civil War to begin so I can run for the hills to avoid my fate in the concentration camps lol.

 

You lost me at "America isn't a racist country." You don't know anything about history and obviously are yet another loony obsessed with a "leftist agenda."

[Britney Summers]

6 hours ago, Ellie Jean said:

That's a bleak and dismal view of humanity; I don't buy it personally. Like I said, every group has upsides and downsides. One of the downsides of being a male is that it's only socially acceptable to feel three emotions; "Fine/Okay", "Angry" or "-excited-". If you express any other emotion, society labels you a wuss lol. ALL groups have upsides, downsides, good qualities and bad qualities. That's the nature of duality; that's the nature of yin and yang, that's the fundamental nature of the whole Universe. Trying to say any one group is "more" or "less" is....illogical lol. Especially in America where all Americans have the same Bill of Rights under the same Constitution. 

One of the downsides of being white for example is that anyone who isn't white will probably automatically think you're a racist just because of the color of your skin; happens to me all the time. Didn't used to. I wonder why??? Kidding lol. I know exactly why racism against white people is on the rise. (Identity politics. It's divisive lol.)

Hell, look at our school system (what's left of it.) A lot of teachers are leaving because of the "Critical Race Theory" bull crap that's being forced on them, because, for some baffling reason lol, teachers just aren't comfortable with teaching kids that there's something wrong with the color of their skin. They don't want to tell black kids that they'll never be good enough in the eyes of society. They don't want to tell white kids that they're inherently racist because of what their ancestors did hundreds of years ago. Why don't they want to teach kids these things? Because it's racist, and Contrary to what the left would have you believe, America isn't a racist country. The left is definitely a racist party though if you ask me; all they ever see is race lmao. And it's disgusting. They don't judge people based on the quality of their character; they judge them based on their race and gender...so they're SEXIST too lmao. 

I know I'm probably a minority in my beliefs. I know it's dangerous to share my opinion. I don't care. 
Nowadays it's dangerous to be anything but a super "woke" liberal socialist lol. Anyone with a different viewpoint is just a racist lmao. "Worse than Hitler!" ??

PS: Yeah, people in my country at least DID see other people as people. At least they did before Obama started telling everyone race was still a serious issue...despite becoming friggin' PRESIDENT lmao. XD I gotta love the hypocritical irony; just gotta laugh at it sometimes lol. Like when Biden said masks work but walls don't. That cracked me up lmao. XD

Anyhoo....yeah, this country gonna get ran into the ground now. I'm just sitting back with a bucket of popcorn waiting for the new Civil War to begin so I can run for the hills to avoid my fate in the concentration camps lol.

 

Hear hear to that!

[Betty K]

2 hours ago, Ellie Jean said:

I know that a significant portion of the world is still incorporating slavery into their economic structures.

 

Uh hi Ellie Jean, nice to know you. I'm not American so I won't comment on the rest of it, but I'd say we're all complicit in slavery to some form or other these days thanks to so-called globalisation. I mean, if some country that isn't our country sanctions slavery and, from the work of those slaves, produces products which we then buy, wouldn't you say we have incorporated slavery into our economic structure too?

[Betty K]

Oops, but I think there's a special forum for political discussions, isn't there?

 

Sorry to hijack your thread @Denise savulski!

[Kiera]

3 hours ago, Betty K said:

 . . . if some country that isn't our country sanctions slavery and, from the work of those slaves, produces products which we then buy, wouldn't you say . . .

       For example ie: China as in "Walmart" and "Amazon"? Truth is we're ALL becoming "economic slaves" so do as your told and perhaps we'll house & feed you (all SLAVES get at least THAT)!  A flat historical fact -> total "EQUALITY" can only exist by the total elimination of "FREEDOM", or the ability to better oneself (rather than somebody else doing it for you)!

 

*sigh* 

[mmspc]

On 4/21/2021 at 8:49 PM, Denise savulski said:

I'm starting on mt journey and I want to know how many mtf transgender have experienced male privileges and where if you stayed male you could advance in your career much easier because you were part of the Good"Ol"boys club and now after you've transitioned your taken advantage of

Very good question, and I've certainly found the replies in this thread interesting.  I'm inclined to think that whether "male privilege" advances one's career advancement might depend on the career field one has selected.  I've always worked in predominantly female venues and don't think male privilege was a factor in advancement.  Actually, my own experience was that being gendered male had a negative effect on advancement opportunities..