USA Swimming Official Quits Over Trans Swimmer Thomas

[Carolyn Marie]

https://nypost.com/2021/12/24/usa-swimming-official-quits-over-transgender-swimmer/

 

 

Carolyn Marie

[Heather Nicole]

*shrug* Good riddance to bad rubbish.

[MirandaB]

Can't even take a break from othering us over at the NY Post on Christmas. 

[Guest]

I’m an amateur athlete that competes with women in my age group. They are outstanding athletes that are capable of competing against men. These anti-trans morons argument strike me as misogynistic because they ignore the hard work and extreme capability of these cis athletes. They make it seem as though and male athlete can transition to female and dominate there chosen sport. Not true. You still have to work your ass off to be able to compete because the competition is that good. Trans athletes do have some advantages but are they really any greater than raw ability, good genetics, determination and hard work?

[Charlize]

I would be upset if i had trained hard for years as a cis woman and then had to compete against a swimmer who had recently transitioned.  I has taken years for HRT to truly weaken me and i'm not training.  If she had transitioned as a child there could certainly be no legit reason for protest but i admit to having mixed feelings in cases like this.

 

Hugs,

 

Charlize

 

[Jackie C.]

1 hour ago, Charlize said:

I would be upset if i had trained hard for years as a cis woman and then had to compete against a swimmer who had recently transitioned.  I has taken years for HRT to truly weaken me and i'm not training.  If she had transitioned as a child there could certainly be no legit reason for protest but i admit to having mixed feelings in cases like this.

 

Hugs,

 

Charlize

 

 

The research says it takes 1-2 years on HRT, which I totally believe, for a person AMAB to fall into the same ability range as a cis-female. I firmly believe that any trans person should be able to compete with the rest of their gender outside that two-year window. Otherwise it's not really fair. I've seen the difference training makes with and without testosterone close-up and there's quite the gap. T makes muscular hypertrophy come much more quickly and easily.

 

Hugs!

[Ivy]

To tell the truth, I'm kinda with Charlize on this.  It is complicated.

 

Just speaking for myself, when I decided to transition, I had to accept that I was giving up some things to gain something else.

 

Excluding grade school transkids makes no sense.  But I can see why this could be controversial at college level if someone had gone through full male puberty.

[Artpetal]

If only she was laid off instead of voluntarily quitting. That would have sent a positive message.

 

She had no business being in that position if she couldn't support transgender people. Your mind goes to the fact that when transgender people are excluded from sports, it has to be because cis people are 'keeping watch' on us and that's a creepy thought, like they belong to a Trans Watch hate group or smth. I don't want to think that somebody's eye is on me at all times and that's why I want trans people to be able to participate in sports to whatever degree we can.

[VickySGV]

2 hours ago, Erica Gabriel said:

These anti-trans morons argument strike me as misogynistic because they ignore the hard work and extreme capability of these cis athletes. They make it seem as though and male athlete can transition to female and dominate there chosen sport. Not true. You still have to work your ass off to be able to compete because the competition is that good.

 

I share this POV, and know from friends who were competitive athletes that women are not always given the encouragement  and support to reach their maximum capabilities in their sports.  One of them is now a retired  Physical Education professor who had seen that problem in their teaching years and took more than a little flack from trying to point it out.

[Ivy]

15 minutes ago, Artpetal said:

…it has to be because cis people are 'keeping watch' on us and that's a creepy thought, like they belong to a Trans Watch hate group or smth. I don't want to think that somebody's eye is on me at all times…

Unfortunately this seems to be the reality.  Sheesh.

[MirandaB]

I thought I read somewhere that before transitioning she was a pretty good swimmer against her assigned at birth gender. If the only way trans women can participate in sports is to promise to not be too good then we're saying that trans women can't do sports.

 

She's been on hormones for two and a half years? That's two and a half times as long as the NCAA requires for her to participate in women's sports. 

 

https://www.nbcnews.com/nbc-out/out-news/ivy-league-swimming-champion-becomes-target-transphobic-rhetoric-rcna9074

 

 

[Guest]

2 hours ago, RhondaS said:

I thought I read somewhere that before transitioning she was a pretty good swimmer against her assigned at birth gender. If the only way trans women can participate in sports is to promise to not be too good then we're saying that trans women can't do sports.

 

She's been on hormones for two and a half years? That's two and a half times as long as the NCAA requires for her to participate in women's sports. 

 

https://www.nbcnews.com/nbc-out/out-news/ivy-league-swimming-champion-becomes-target-transphobic-rhetoric-rcna9074

 

 

Thank you for sharing this. I’ve received nothing but love and support in my sport. My experience has only increased my faith in people and my respect for women athletes.

[KymmieL]

I would see that having a "male" competing would make woman work that much harder to win against her. I believe they should let transgender athletes compete.

 

Kymmie