Intl. Swimming Federation Restricts Trans Women From Competing

[Carolyn Marie]

https://www.npr.org/2022/06/19/1106173020/swimming-bans-transgender-women

 

This is not supported by the science. 

 

 

Carolyn Marie

[VickySGV]

I just knew that the minute we started winning anything, the roof would cave in.  Our crime was winning.

[tracy_j]

In my view it is to a large extent the tip of an even greater problem. Some of these sort of things are becoming so micro managed that any differences will be judged using a large magnifier. It's not just Trans issues but anything which 'may' give someone an edge will upset others.

 

Although it is not relevant here, I used to love Formula One racing but the politics and racial overtones often now stressed have really killed it for me. The devious actions and politics are pushing much of sport the same way.

 

It's probably not practical but it would be useful to abandon gender distinctions and have all sports non gendered.

 

Tracy

[MirandaB]

I'm just wondering what the Murdoch papers and their ilk will do now that they've won that battle. I guess drag queens are the next target it seems?

[Ivy]

3 hours ago, RhondaS said:

I'm just wondering what the Murdoch papers and their ilk will do now that they've won that battle.

They'll have to kept going until the mid-term elections.

 

The sports question is problematic for a number of reasons.  It can be easily spun to turn the public agains trans (specifically) women.

[Carolyn Marie]

One of the unintended side effects of this ruling is that any cis-woman who appears to be more muscular or "less feminine" than most, or one who wins more than most (e.g. Katie Ledecki) may end up having their private parts examined or their genetic makeup tested in order to qualify to swim.  Swimming officials should be careful what they wish for.  They may fall into a pool full of "hot water."

 

Carolyn Marie

[Heather Nicole]

2 hours ago, Carolyn Marie said:

One of the unintended side effects of this ruling is that any cis-woman who appears to be more muscular or "less feminine" than most, or one who wins more than most (e.g. Katie Ledecki) may end up having their private parts examined or their genetic makeup tested in order to qualify to swim.  Swimming officials should be careful what they wish for.  They may fall into a pool full of "hot water."

 

Carolyn Marie

 

Yes, I can imagine this very possibly (and hopefully) becoming a relatively short lived policy due to exactly these things you've mentioned.

[ValerieRun]

For what its worth, I think this is a reasonable policy. Time will tell how accurately it "protects".

[MirandaB]

Megan Rapinoe has a good take on this

 

https://time.com/6188583/megan-rapinoe-equal-pay-title-ix-transgender-sports-bans/

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Show me the evidence that trans women are taking everyone’s scholarships, are dominating in every sport, are winning every title. I’m sorry, it’s just not happening. So we need to start from inclusion, period. And as things arise, I have confidence that we can figure it out. But we can’t start at the opposite. That is cruel. And frankly, it’s just disgusting.

So, we need to really kind of take a step back and get a grip on what we’re really talking about here because people’s lives are at risk. Kids’ lives are at risk with the rates of suicide, the rates of depression and negative mental health and drug abuse. We’re putting everything through God forbid a trans person be successful in sports. Get a grip on reality and take a step back.

 

 

Edited June 21, 2022 by Carolyn Marie
Fixed a misspelled name.

[Heather Nicole]

39 minutes ago, RhondaS said:

Megan Rapinoe has a good take on this

 

https://time.com/6188583/megan-rapinoe-equal-pay-title-ix-transgender-sports-bans/

 

 

Thanks for the link! I never really paid much attention to sports, so I didn't know about Title IX before, and the very first sentence in that article caught my attention:

 

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Title IX, the federal legislation mandating equal opportunities for men’s and women’s participation in sports...

 

Makes me wonder if my high school was violating the law when they offered Volleyball signups for girls but not for boys. That was the one extracurricular we had that I actually would have signed up for, buy when I went to do that, I saw they didn't have it for boys or for co-ed. Funny how much that still bothers me 25 years later. Even at the time I knew about pushes for girl's to have opportunities in traditionally "boy only" sports (I felt like it was all over movies), but the opposite just would've gotten me harassed (correction: harassed more) and actually winning that battle just would've made things even worse still, so I just kept my mouth shut and filed it into my mental "I hate people and the world" pile.

[Davie]

10 hours ago, Heather Nicole said:

 

Thanks for the link! I never really paid much attention to sports, so I didn't know about Title IX before, and the very first sentence in that article caught my attention:

 

 

Makes me wonder if my high school was violating the law when they offered Volleyball signups for girls but not for boys. That was the one extracurricular we had that I actually would have signed up for, buy when I went to do that, I saw they didn't have it for boys or for co-ed. Funny how much that still bothers me 25 years later. Even at the time I knew about pushes for girl's to have opportunities in traditionally "boy only" sports (I felt like it was all over movies), but the opposite just would've gotten me harassed (correction: harassed more) and actually winning that battle just would've made things even worse still, so I just kept my mouth shut and filed it into my mental "I hate people and the world" pile.

Yeah. I understand. Any descrimination takes away choice. I was a boy wanting to take Home Economics--no go, No cooking? My sister couldn't take drafting—she's now a great artist. Duh.

— Davie