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The Supreme Court overturned Roe v. Wade, eliminating the constitutional right to abortion


Heather Shay

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Nothing like packing the court to overturn the will of the people. (anger anger anger)

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Yeah.  The reasoning behind this decision could affect a lot of other things.

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Agreed. This is a bomb waiting to go off. I'm trying to work my way through all 213 pages of the decision. I've also asked a couple of lawyer friends for their opinions. and @Jandii think you're right--this decision is going to affect lots of other things. This is a real mess.

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Washington Post has a state by state break down of the impact

 

https://stocks.apple.com/A55nz6k20S0iBsEy3hS4hxw

 

The Supreme Court released a decision on Friday overturning Roe v. Wade , touching off a cascade of antiabortion laws that probably will take effect across roughly half the country.

Without the landmark precedent in place, the national abortion landscape will change quickly. First, 13 states with “trigger bans,” designed to take effect as soon as Roe is overturned, will ban abortion within 30 days. Several other states where recent antiabortion legislation has been blocked by the courts are expected to act next, with lawmakers moving to activate their dormant legislation. A handful of states also have pre-Roe abortion bans that could be brought back to life.

Elsewhere in the country, the post- Roe landscape is less certain. While most state legislatures have adjourned for the year, some governors have expressed an interest in convening a special session to pass additional antiabortion legislation — or remove antiabortion laws already on the books. Abortion access in other states will depend on the midterm elections.

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I am so $%^&$% fed up with the poisonous cancer that is republicans 🤬🤬🤬

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1 hour ago, Aggie1 said:

Abortion access in other states will depend on the midterm elections.

 

I think that, in a few states where the Republicans and Dems are closely split, this might turn the tide in favor of Dem legislators and governors. It could also be that many voters just won't care that much and things will remain as they are in the states.  We'll have to wait and see.  One thing for certain is that talk about a Constitutional Amendment is just that...talk.

 

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2 hours ago, Marcie Jensen said:

Agreed. This is a bomb waiting to go off. I'm trying to work my way through all 213 pages of the decision. I've also asked a couple of lawyer friends for their opinions.

You should ask your 'judge' friends for their opinions since lawyers are much more sleezy.

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Granted. I don't know any judges, though. 

Regardless, this is still a collosal mess.

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11 minutes ago, Artpetal said:

You should ask your 'judge' friends for their opinions since lawyers are much more sleezy.

 

Uhhhhh, Judges are picked from lawyers in their states, and the old saying about Leopards not changing spots or Tigers  and their stripes holds very true.  I am sure printers ink is being readied by the hogshead for opinions from Law Professors on this one so it will be well hashed out in the legal profession from all POV's. . 

 

The Trans Community has very ethical and wise Judges and MANY Attorney's in our ranks who I know already are going to be involved in the aftermath here and they give me hope.  Better yet will be our own support and election of political candidates to all levels of Public Office (today's school board member is headed for State Legislatures or Congress down the line, or will help someone along that path.)  .

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I think Vicky has it right about the hogsheads of printers ink being readied. This one is gonna change society as we know it. I also think that before we jump to conclusions, we ought to read the text of all three opinions--the majority, the chief justice's concurrence and the minority. Right now I'm about half way through the majority opinion and it's slow going. I haven't drawn any conclusions one way or another on this issue, and I freely admit my political beliefs are completely out of sync with my faith. It's already ugly and getting worse.

 

What I find even more interesting is that this is only one of several rulings handed down by SCOTUS this week that are controversial, yet no one is discussing them. Particularly the rulings on the 2nd amendment (the NY gun permit case) and the one about parental involvement in school curriculum. 

 

This has been a week fraught with Supreme Court decisions that will change society for generations to come, and are even more polarizing politically than this country has seen in a long time. And this doesn't even include the assasination attempt on justice Kavanaugh earlier this month. 

 

In the later Roman Empire, the mob was rightly feared by the ruling class. I wonder sometimes if this country has reached this point...

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Speaking fall of the Roman Empire - I've felt the 20th century was the U.S. but 21st wouldn't. Like professional sports it feels like the Peter Principle - rising to the level of incompetency.

 

 

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22 minutes ago, Elizabeth Star said:

 

Some news person pointed out this morning that the Supreme Court ruling allowing interracial marriage (Loving v. Virginia) was made in 1967, hardly a ruling that goes back 100 years or more, as the conservative justices believe is necessary to uphold precedent.

 

Justice Thomas is married to a White woman.  Let that sink in.

 

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50 minutes ago, Heather Shay said:

Speaking fall of the Roman Empire - I've felt the 20th century was the U.S. but 21st wouldn't. Like professional sports it feels like the Peter Principle - rising to the level of incompetency.

 

 

That is more apt than we can imagine. Think about How Rome fell. the look at the USA:

 

Rome                                             USA

Debased coinage                         Debased coinage (Sandwich coins, bills no longer redeemable for precious metals)

Rampant inflation                         Rampant inflation

Bread and circuses                      Welfare state and professional sports

Lack of morals                             Lack of morals

Indefensible borders                   Border situation

Rampant corruption in

Government and judiciary           Rampant corruption in government and judiciary

Iconoclasm and heresy               Iconoclasm and heresy

Rampant crime in cities              Rampant crime in cities

 

Kinda scary when you stop and think about it...

 

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I generally don't agree with the Democrat Party or Biden.  But I 100% agreed with his speech today. This ruling is a travesty.  I'm not surprised, since both parties are a problem and are giving us an authoritarian regime. 

 

GF is absolutely beside herself with anger.  She's been the victim of attempted rape, and as a teenager one of her friends committed suicide after being raped and denied an abortion by her parents.  She's considering assisting a nonprofit in sponsoring a regular bus to take women to a clinic in another state.  The nearest clinic offering abortion service will probably be 400 miles away.  As the state will probably criminalize that as "aiding and abetting" she's thinking she'll have to employ armed guards.  We've seriously reached that point 🙄

 

My husband has long contended that the USA is modeled somewhat after Rome, and therefore is much like Rome and will fall in similar ways.  We haven't legitimately won a war in forever, and already have the barbarian invasions.  Like the Roman Empire, the farther an area is from the capital, the more likely it will form its own nation-state.  Where I live, the groundwork for that has already been laid.  Unfortunately, I suspect it will turn into a theocracy. 

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One of the reasons I got the orchiectomy, those judges may want to forbid me my HRT soon but I don't see how they can put my testosterone making factory back together. 

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10 hours ago, Jandi said:

Welcome to Gilead all you gender traitors.

And remember, according to Jerimiah 8:22, the question is raised "Is there no balm in Gilead?" After this decision and the protests and calls for violence on both sides, we may have a situation where there are bombs in Gilead. (Sorry for the bad Bible pun, but I couldn't resist...)

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Here's an interesting quote from the SCOTUS opinion, authored by justice Alito. I'm not sure if I put any credence in, but it's an interesting inclusion. (Still slogging my way through the opinion, BTW.)

 

"Finally, the dissent suggests that our decision calls into question Griswold, Eisenstadt, Lawrence, and Obergefell. But we have stated unequivocally that '[n]othing in this opinion should be understood to cast doubt on precedents that do not concern abortion.' We have also explained why that is so: rights regarding contraception and same-sex relationships are inherently different from the right to abortion because the latter (as we have stressed) uniquely involves what Roe and Casey termed 'potential life.'"

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The important part of the above (Sorry, forgot to highlight it) is the sentence about contraception and same sex relationships. So far, I haven't found any mention of transpeople in the opinion, and it appears that SCOTUS is only addressing cis-gendered people in their opinion. I haven't made it to the dissent yet.

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😩 Looks like we'll have to rely on the people from the Satanic Temple to fight this battle, by claiming abortion as part of their religious rights. Guess it's up to those in Texas who say they champion freedom of religion as their constitutional right. What's higher priority, keeping religious freedoms or them abortion restrictions? If they deny the Temple their religious rights to abortion, then there's no religious freedom.  

 

https://thesatanictemple.com/pages/texas-lawsuit

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As I understand it, Alito's opinion is that contraceptive and gay marriage are distinct from abortion rights, therefore safe from overturning. The concern is of life of a fetus.

But the other "liberal" judges seem to be saying it all boils down to bodily autonomy, which goes back further than recent developments of contraception that made abortion essentially convenient.

Judge Thomas' suggestion seems to confirm what the left has suspected that the issue of the sanctity of unborn life is the beginning and larger move for further removing an individual's (bodily) autonomy- being the issue at hand. That, in hardline theocracy, our body is "God given", image of God and therefore not truly our own. A sin of nature is not defined as transgression of oneself, but the Law, disobedience to God. Therefore, religion is terribly convenient for a regime to employ, as it assumes it's OWN existence is divinely sanctioned. Since more people identify as secular, obviously the center of moral authority which was provided by the Church must be taken up by the State. 

Once issues of bodily autonomy come into question, all non-Christian hetero "lifestyles" are threatened, and even more frightening is the all the present capacity of technology to surveil our behavior like never before.

This is a huge shot over the bow, over mainstream society in which it is clear a radical fascist minority is carrying out a larger agenda that they have been working on at least since Obama's term. No one ever imagined Jan 6, but there it was.

 

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1 hour ago, Marcie Jensen said:

(Sorry for the bad Bible pun, but I couldn't resist...)

Love a good pun.

"There is a bomb in Gilead"

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Despite Justice Alito's assurances, Justice Thomas is already raising these issues.

I don't think these people's word is worth anything anymore.

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