Right-wing media giants say LGBTQ bar patrons are responsible for their own murders

[Ivy]

https://www.lgbtqnation.com/2022/11/right-wing-media-giants-say-lgbtq-bar-patrons-responsible-murders/

 

The level of hatred is appalling.   They are even attacking Richard Fierro, who risked his life to stop the assault.

 

“Are we just not supposed to talk about the US Army Major taking his family down to the local drag club for a night out?”

In response, one Gab user wrote, “If it’s not -holy buckets- he’s helping to molest children and he’s all for it. Fa***t dad in closet.”

 

 I just don't understand this level of hate.

[Carolyn Marie]

Deflect, deny and point fingers at everyone else for what they do themselves.  Same old story.  I'm not at all surprised they've turned on Fierro as well.  Can't have a hero who goes against their philosophy of hate & discrimination; no that will never do.  Got to demonize him, too.

 

Nothing new under the sun.  It just gets worse...

 

Carolyn Marie

[awkward-yet-sweet]

I've noticed that most people who attack the idea of LGBTQ+ bars have never been to one.  Those on the outside see it as something like a cross between a loud, thumping club and a sex dungeon. Like, people go there to hook up.  But the folks writing this stuff have no idea, because they've never been inside.  That would be taboo, like a woman going to the men's restroom to see what a urinal looks like.  Shocking!  🙄 

 

The reality, at least at the couple of places I've been...is that it looks like your average small-town bar inside.  There's no gatekeeper checking your "Gay ID card" at the door.  My husband is straight/cis, but doesn't mind going to the LGBTQ+ bar in the city with me.  The folks who go there are average people who just want a place to talk and share a beer. 

 

I noticed that one of the victims of the shooting was not LGBTQ+ herself, but had just been there to be with friends.  Richard Fierro is also straight/cis, and there to be with friends and a community he supports.  Clearly demonstrates that the venue is pretty normal, no matter what others might say.  

 

 

[VickySGV]

This one is going to get messier before it is resolved in any direction.  The claim that the shooter was NB is a great way to muddy the waters and support the claims that LGBTQ and Allies are secret criminals who had a falling out with each other.  Deep and sick, deep and sick, but what else is hate?

 

[awkward-yet-sweet]

10 minutes ago, VickySGV said:

This one is going to get messier before it is resolved in any direction.  The claim that the shooter was NB is a great way to muddy the waters and support the claims that LGBTQ and Allies are secret criminals who had a falling out with each other.  Deep and sick, deep and sick, but what else is hate?

 

 

I noticed the "nonbinary" claim as well.  Hard to say... but there's statements by people who knew the shooter, and apparently that is a recent invention, possibly just after arrest.  Supposedly the shooter made frequent use of anti-gay slurs in daily life, so that casts a bit of doubt on the claim.

[VickySGV]

19 minutes ago, awkward-yet-sweet said:

Supposedly the shooter made frequent use of anti-gay slurs in daily life, so that casts a bit of doubt on the claim.

 

We are going to be up against a conundrum here that we, in the community, honor and support the gender declaration and personal identification, and our Trans/NB leaders have indicated that we do so here even though the person may have previously denied the status.  Outside of the Trans / NB community this is going to be fuel from the people who do not understand the thought processes involved there. To them it is another indication of our insanity as a group.  A person who would kill members of a community while being under its umbrella is a mind twister beyond the comprehension of what I fear the jurors and community will be.  We cannot prove a negative so the shooter is what they self proclaim. 

 

It is very possible that if the claim of being NB is factual, that internalized fear and hatred of being NB by their community and church are at the root of the motive here.  Non Trans/NB people will not internalize the impact they had in creating that Transphobia in the shooter which made them homicidal toward others like them.  UGLY all over.

[Ivy]

3 minutes ago, VickySGV said:

It is very possible that if the claim of being NB is factual, that internalized fear and hatred of being NB by their community and church are at the root of the motive here. 

This person appears to be a mess anyway.

I have a hard time accepting the NB part, but like has been said, that's not my call.

The timing does seem a bit opportune though.

But it doesn't change what they did.

 

Trying to put the blame on the victims like this is beyond sleazy.  But it is in character for Carlson and the others.  They get off on doing things like this.

[awkward-yet-sweet]

@VickySGV It might be difficult for some people to understand, but I think it is plausible. For example, most school shooters were part of their school's community. Some folks who shoot up a church are members of the congregation. And then there's family violence... being part of a group doesn't preclude violence within that group.  But that's not going to prevent people from making a politically easy explanation.