Consenting To Trans Care Under 21 Could Be A Felony In New Mississippi Bill

[Ivy]

The crime carries a 10 year prison sentence. This is the latest in anti-trans bills that target adult populations. Some states continue to seek the criminalization of trans people and caregivers.

 

https://erininthemorn.substack.com/p/consenting-to-trans-care-under-21?utm_source=substack&publication_id=994764&post_id=98480014&utm_medium=email&utm_content=share&triggerShare=true&isFreemail=true

 

"This bill would make gender affirming care in Mississippi classified as child abuse, would ban gender affirming care under 21 years old, and would make “consenting to providing or administering” gender affirming care “to a person” illegal. It would define the crime as “gender disfigurement” and would provide a 5-year prison sentence for those who violate it.

 

The most troubling is the inclusion of the phase “consenting to” in its ban on gender affirming care. Although the phrase is likely to target adult caregivers to trans youth, because the age of the ban was raised to 21, it could conceivably target trans adults 18-21 years old consenting to their own care."

 

Every day there's another one (or more)

 

 

[Marcie Jensen]

This bill looks to be patently absurd on the surface, but is far more sinister as it indirectly targets parents whose children have moved out at 18 and are living on their own. Additionally, if an 18 year old can vote, join the military, be tried or sued as adults, enter into contracts or purchase a firearm in MS, why can't they make medical decisions regarding their own trans care? The grim reality is that this criminalizes young adults for simply being considered "different." This is monstrous.

[Ivy]

26 minutes ago, Marcie Jensen said:

The grim reality is that this criminalizes young adults for simply being considered "different." This is monstrous.

I don't want to overreact, but this seems like 3rd Reich stuff to me.

It is very depressing.   In a way I would like to just ignore it, but hiding one's head in the sand is not a good idea.

At this point there is only 1 vote in our state assembly keeping it from happening here in NC.

[KathyLauren]

18 minutes ago, Ivy said:

I don't want to overreact, but this seems like 3rd Reich stuff to me.

 

That is not an overreaction.  That is what is actually happening. 

 

In Germany, the Nazis started with trans folks in 1933 (the library of Magnus Hirschfeld, the doctor who treated the real-life Lili Elbe) , and only moved on to Jews and other minorities after they found out what they could get away with.

[Carolyn Marie]

I noticed too that a lot of similar bills in other states have raised the "do not transition - or go to jail" age as high as 26.  Why stop there, why not make it "everyone of any age" or require forcible de-transitioning of adults?  Just lay it all on the table so we all know what's at stake.  This is getting to be absurd.

 

Carolyn Marie

[Ivy]

1 hour ago, Carolyn Marie said:

Why stop there, why not make it "everyone of any age" or require forcible de-transitioning of adults?

This kinda looks like where it's headed if they keep getting their way.   Basically, illegal to be trans.

I'm not sure I could go back even in that situation.  Maybe I just need to be prepared to end up in a men's prison.

[Marcie Jensen]

3 hours ago, Carolyn Marie said:

I noticed too that a lot of similar bills in other states have raised the "do not transition - or go to jail" age as high as 26.  

 

I think this whole age thing stems from a study I've heard about what claims the human brain isn't fully developed until one reaches 25 years of age. The claim is absurd, of course, but when has that ever stopped politicians?

[awkward-yet-sweet]

1 hour ago, Marcie Jensen said:

I think this whole age thing stems from a study I've heard about what claims the human brain isn't fully developed until one reaches 25 years of age. The claim is absurd, of course, but when has that ever stopped politicians?

I suppose that is the reasoning behind it. The framework for this is already been set up.  Required minimum ages for drinking, cigarettes, etc.... And the ages never match up.... 13, 14, 16, 17, 18, 21, 25....If lawmakers actually wanted this to make any sense, you would think that society might actually decide what age a person is really an adult. But face it, the gerontocracy loves to prevent people under age 35 from being able to determine their own lives. It is always an argument about maturity.... At least, until they want poorly paid teenagers or even conscripts to fight their wars for them. 

[Marcie Jensen]

1 hour ago, awkward-yet-sweet said:

But face it, the gerontocracy loves to prevent people under age 35 from being able to determine their own lives. It is always an argument about maturity.... At least, until they want poorly paid teenagers or even conscripts to fight their wars for them. 

Gerontocracy... LOVE IT!!!! Great word!

 

And as to the whole conscript bit, you're right with a single caveat; this country has done pretty well with conscripts in the past--Civil War, WWI, WW2, etc... It's interesting from a historical perspective that maturity, property ownership or something else has always been used to restrict voting.

 

But,as @Ivy said in her original post, every day there's something more to restrict our community and deprive of our rights. @KathyLauren's comparison to NAZI Germany is spot on.

[awkward-yet-sweet]

One thing about restricting certain population groups...it never decreases.  I don't know why so many people can't see the overall picture.  It inevitably progresses to encompass more and larger groups until nobody is safe.  I suppose some of the Nazi comparisons are hyperbole...but the 3rd Reich stands as the preeminent example of the end result of unchecked state power. 

 

I love the hypocrisy of the "consent" language in this bill.  It is aimed at parents!  This, from the folks who normally want to support parental rights.  

 

[Ivy]

2 hours ago, Katie23 said:

Notice that you do not see as much anti-gay legislation, only anti-trans legislation. I find that telling. I have long wondered how much support we really get from the rest of the LGB_QIA+ community. 

Well, there are anti-trans gay groups apparently perfectly willing tho throw trans people under the bus for the illusion of their own safety.

[awkward-yet-sweet]

14 hours ago, Katie23 said:

I have been saying this for a while. We are witnessing history repeating itself with the Republican Nazi Party all over again, or as Yogi Berra would say, "It's like deja vu all over again."

 

Partly right.  To me, its like 1920's Germany has come to America.  Nazis on one side, Bolshevik wannabees on the other.  Everybody wants to worship at the altar of state power...the only question is what kind of totalitarianism we'll get.  We saw the beginnings of Weimar-style street fighting a couple of years ago, so we'll see if that continues.  And of course, an economic collapse can propel things further. 

 

Unfortunately, I don't see anywhere to go for asylum.  In my opinion, most everywhere is worse.  My parents fled from totalitarianism in the 70's to come to the USA.  Since there's nowhere to go, we'll just stand right here.  I'm hoping for a separatist micro-republic in my area. 

[Ivy]

30 minutes ago, awkward-yet-sweet said:

I'm hoping for a separatist micro-republic in my area. 

Will it be a tolerant place?

[Marcie Jensen]

8 hours ago, awkward-yet-sweet said:

 

Partly right.  To me, its like 1920's Germany has come to America.  Nazis on one side, Bolshevik wannabees on the other.  Everybody wants to worship at the altar of state power...the only question is what kind of totalitarianism we'll get.  We saw the beginnings of Weimar-style street fighting a couple of years ago, so we'll see if that continues.  And of course, an economic collapse can propel things further. 

 

Unfortunately, I don't see anywhere to go for asylum.  In my opinion, most everywhere is worse.  My parents fled from totalitarianism in the 70's to come to the USA.  Since there's nowhere to go, we'll just stand right here.  I'm hoping for a separatist micro-republic in my area. 

As always, a thoughtful and intriguing post. The only quibble I have is that the GOP is not a NAZI clone. Totalitarian, yes. Fascist or Phalangist, most probably. But NAZIs? Nope. It's important to keep in mind the NAZIs were SOCIALISTS. It's even proclaimed in their name4--National SOCIALIST German Workers Party. In fact, Heinrich Himmler was reputed to have said, "The only thing that separates us from the communists is that we believe in God."  It's also important to keep in mind that everything the NAZIs did regarding concentration camps, treatment of minorities, etc.., they learned from the communists under Stalin. Frankly, I don't see a dime's worth of difference between the hard right and th hard left> The methodology is virtually identical; only their self proclaimed ideology is different.

 

I would suggest reading "The Next Civil war" by Stephen Marche. He's mostly right on point. 

 

The comparison to the weimar Republic is apt in many ways. Particularly economic. If there is any doubt, just look at the price of eggs right now. They were about $1.00 per dozen a year ago and are now over $5.00 for that same dozen. A 500% increase!!! ANd that's but one example. And, as always, minorities will take the initial blame and suffer first. That includes the LGBTQ+ community because we are the smallest, the most disorganized politically and most vulnerable. 

 

If/when civil war comes, I don't envision a Germany ibn the 1930's scenario as the county is too large geographically. I see something more akin to the post WW1 balkans with the collapse of the Austro-Hungarian Empire.

 

All that said, these are dangerous times indeed. Especially for our community.

[KathyLauren]

53 minutes ago, Marcie Jensen said:

National SOCIALIST German Workers Party

Without taking this thread too much farther from the topic, I'll just say that the Nazi party was about as socialist as the Democratic People's Republic of Korea is democratic.  Names are all about propaganda.

[Ivy]

1 hour ago, KathyLauren said:

Names are all about propaganda.

Yeah, this.  One only has to look at how our politicians are "naming" these bills.  Sometimes/often it's the opposite of their real intent.  

 

Totalitarianism on the right, or left, isn't much different for those at the bottom.  You're just screwed.

 

Balancing the general welfare with personal freedom is tricky, but shouldn't be impossible.

[Carolyn Marie]

Yeah, I think this thread has about run its course and has detoured onto unintended roads.  Let's move on, shall we?

 

Carolyn Marie

[VickySGV]

Fully agree with @Carolyn Marieon locking this one.