Gay And Trans Republicans Shocked DeSantis Now Targeting Them… The ad is a doozy

[Ivy]

https://www.erininthemorning.com/p/gay-and-trans-republicans-shocked

 

"The ad itself has been described as one of the worst anti-LGBTQ+ attack ads ever, with one reporter calling it “the closest thing to what a Benito Mussolini TikTok ad would’ve looked like.”" 

 

There is a link to the ad, if you can stand watching it.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sKQ4_cLtaqc&t=2s

 

These people are so hateful, and they boast about it.

 

[SamC]

Evil. Pure evil. 

[VickySGV]

You feed the sharks by hand and you are going to get bitten.  With feeding frenzy mode on, sharks are not going to be careful to not bite the one who fed them before.  The sharks are not that bright.

[Charlize]

Well the log cabin guys may have to build there houses of bricks now cause a big bad wolf is after them as well.  

 

Hugs,

 

Charlize

[Carolyn Marie]

I have absolutely no sympathy for Log Cabin Republicans.  They can cry "wee wee wee" all the way to their $2 million homes, b/c the Big Bad Wolf DeSantis is being mean to them.  They've never cared one bit about the T in LGBTQ.  The R's in Congress will come for everyone's marriage rights if they regain power.  I'll be very sorry for every Gay & Lesbian person if that happens, except for the Log Cabiners.

 

Carolyn Marie

[Davie]

Ron DeSantis took at least six undisclosed trips on private jets and accepted lodging and dining through wealthy donors in late 2018. The trips came during the period between DeSantis's election and inauguration as governor.

[Ashley0616]

Odd on how he just perceives us as so much of a threat instead of actually worrying about the real issues that are going to drag the country down. I'm definitely stunned by the man's ambition to completely try to annihilate us. Even if he does somehow stop transgender care the black market will be very big. Just because you make something illegal doesn't mean that everyone will stop. What a funny guy!

[Ivy]

DeSantis is a trip.  Apparently he is leading Florida into some kind of opposition to the federal government as a state.  He wouldn't meet with Biden when he came because of the hurricane, but of course still took the aid.

 

I just heard today that Florida is leading the country in new covid hospitalizations (I suppose it might be true) and yet when the CDC recommended the new vaccine, DeSantis, and his state's health department are telling Floridians to not take it.  Whether you want the jab is your own business, but this seems like a little kid throwing a tantrum.

 

They are making it essentially impossible for even adults to access trans healthcare care, largely under his influence - he brags about it.  LGBTQ people are fleeing the state.  They have literal [bad politics] people marching openly at Disney World, and projecting swastikas on buildings in the cities.

 

When I feel bad about being in NC these days, I just tell myself - "Thank Goddess, you're not in Florida."

[awkward-yet-sweet]

I think it is a poor strategy for Republicans (real ones, at least) to alienate anybody who votes for them.  And yes, there's LGBTQ+ folks who do.  One of my trans friends is a Trump voter for sure.  Because not everybody has their gender/sexuality/etc as their #1 voting issue.  I certainly don't...which is why I usually don't vote for candidates who want to regulate my car, my stove, my property, my firearm, our fuels, etc...  now matter how "friendly" they seem on LGBTQ+ issues. 

 

I really think that the anti-trans and anti-LGBTQ+ stuff from the Republican party candidates is an intentional distraction and intentional political self-annihilation.  Its like they've been told do to it so there's no opposition to the coming tyranny.  Because if some of them focused on the economy and all the real globalist stuff the Democrats and RINOs have forced on us over the years, we wouldn't have another Democrat president for a long time.  Trump won big time in 2016 because he just barely touched on those issues, and it was like a cold drink of water in the desert.  He doesn't talk about that very much now.  He didn't fulfill a lot of promises (including locking up Clinton), and he only changed a few small things during his term.  Even those few small things actually started to make a difference. 

 

And (bad politics with armbands folks) showing up at Disney?  What a sideshow.  Probably organized by the FBI.  It always comes out that these weirdos have been encouraged by the Feds....recall that attempt on the Michigan governor?  Or even Jan 6th itself, which they have wrung for every drop of political advantage?  These supposed right-wingers are useful because they are a living straw-man argument to paint anybody who opposes the system with a kind of guilt-by-association.  Those tattooed Satanist-looking creeps don't resemble average voters.  They don't resemble far-right voters.  Heck, they don't even resemble the real historical followers of Icky Old Adolf (who would have labeled them "degenerate criminals" and packed them off to a prison). 

 

Just because some of the Republicans act nasty and the leaders are controlled by the globalists doesn't mean the other party is a true friend.  I certainly don't see good choices at the Federal level.  We're all being played, folks.  

[Ivy]

Oh, I don't have a lot of faith in the Democrat party.  It's just that for the most part, they aren't publicly calling for my eradication.

 

But recommending drinking only 2 beers a day (or week) is hardly "Taking away our beer!"  We actually tried that once, and it didn't work out well.

 

I consider my opposition to the GOP, and particularly the DeSantis faction, a question of survival.

 

I suppose my personal politics is a weird mix of conservative and progressive opinions.  Unfortunately the GOP seems to have essentially declared war on queer people.  It also seems like the Log Cabin Republicans need to face that fact.

[Davie]

Reading is resistance’: students and parents take on DeSantis’s book bans.

Florida governor’s constant attacks on the education system have led to an increasing backlash from a wide range of people.

Upon learning that her AP English teacher might not be able to use Song of Solomon by Toni Morrison in the syllabus this year, Mogul came up with an idea to start a book club. Her aptly named Banned Books Club was established last month, featuring titles that have been removed from public school circulations in Florida, and meets at a celebrated Miami bookstore called Books & Books. A range of people of different ages and backgrounds, including a handful of Mogul’s peers, an audio producer and an English teacher attend.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/sep/23/florida-desantis-book-ban-school-student-parent

[Ivy]

When a book is banned, it does make one curious about it.

And being banned by the right wing is kind of an endorsement.

[awkward-yet-sweet]

I think there's a difference between banning a book and saying it isn't suitable for academic purposes.  Students can read whatever they want from the library on their own time.  And if they end up doing a book project they can probably pick something to use that isn't on the list of things teachers can use in classes.  I suspect that the removal of some of these books is due to sex scenes inside.  Toni Morrison's stuff, for example.  I read both Beloved and Song of Solomon when I was in high school.  I didn't find the sex parts of books to be particularly lurid, but I definitely found Beloved to be demonic and disturbing.  I'm glad that book isn't approved for use in our county's high school.  And its not like the schools are against multicultural literature.  For example, Chinua Achebe's Things Fall Apart is read by just about everybody (although my husband says that you have to reread the book as an adult to really get the benefit of it.) 

 

I think we have to look at why we have an English or literature class.  Why are some books useful and others not?  For example, Shakespeare's plays and poems have historical and literary value.  Teachers spend time on those, but probably not Tom Clancy or Nicholas Sparks novels.  Teachers want students to experience literary styles, cultures, and teach about the structure of writing.  Selecting what is useful is a subjective judgement, of course.  The thought that Beloved or Song of Solomon doesn't make the grade doesn't seem odd to me at all. 

[Carolyn Marie]

22 hours ago, awkward-yet-sweet said:

 I read both Beloved and Song of Solomon when I was in high school.  I didn't find the sex parts of books to be particularly lurid, but I definitely found Beloved to be demonic and disturbing.  I'm glad that book isn't approved for use in our county's high school. 

 

I think we have to look at why we have an English or literature class.  Why are some books useful and others not?  For example, Shakespeare's plays and poems have historical and literary value.  Teachers spend time on those, but probably not Tom Clancy or Nicholas Sparks novels.  Teachers want students to experience literary styles, cultures, and teach about the structure of writing.  Selecting what is useful is a subjective judgement, of course.  The thought that Beloved or Song of Solomon doesn't make the grade doesn't seem odd to me at all. 

 

AYS, it's one thing to say you don't like or approve of a book for study in a high school; it's quite another to say that your opinion should hold sway and if you don't approve of it, no other student should be able to read and study it.  If you were a parent, you would probably have the right to have your kid opt out.  You would also have the right to take your kid out of public school altogether.  But for one or two parents to say they object, and have that carry the day, that's going too far.  I thought you were all for individual rights, for less government interference?

 

Carolyn Marie

[awkward-yet-sweet]

3 hours ago, Carolyn Marie said:

 

AYS, it's one thing to say you don't like or approve of a book for study in a high school; it's quite another to say that your opinion should hold sway and if you don't approve of it, no other student should be able to read and study it.  If you were a parent, you would probably have the right to have your kid opt out.  You would also have the right to take your kid out of public school altogether.  But for one or two parents to say they object, and have that carry the day, that's going too far.  I thought you were all for individual rights, for less government interference?

 

I am for individual rights.  Definitely.  And anybody who wants to can read whatever book they want to on their own time.  Even bring it to school in their backpack and read it at lunch or in study hall.  Doesn't matter if what they're reading is great literature or total trash.  Nobody has told them they can't, as evidenced by the fact that students are meeting outside class to read something and discuss it....and that makes calling it a "book ban" seem a bit dramatic.  Its quite a different matter for an organization to approve the use of a book or disapprove the use of a book for a specific educational purpose.  Apples and oranges. 

 

Perhaps we can agree that reading something for a class has a specific purpose?  Something beyond, "Oh, that's nice or interesting."  In the case of this discussion, it was a state department of education that said, "We're not going to use these books in classes."  The books don't meet state curriculum standards, or there are better choices.  Maybe one or two parents started it, but it usually takes more than a couple of voices to make even minor changes.  This sort of change is a lot like switching textbooks to use a different publisher.  Districts make those kinds of decisions for their students all the time - and teachers are usually required to use one textbook series instead of another because that's what the district decided. 

 

Typically, literature for English classes is handled a lot like textbooks.  I went to a high school in a city, and we had several different English teachers.  They all used the same stuff - with a storeroom with hundreds of copies of the same thing handed out to everybody.  I rather doubt individual English teachers were making selections for their classes...at least in my area, they don't seem to have that kind of autonomy.  In my county, the local school district made a decision just like that.  For our students, certain books don't meet the requirements for curriculum materials in our district, so they aren't ordered in bulk and stocked for use.  I just happen to share their opinion - it certainly isn't like they called me on the phone and asked me to help create policy...

 

Now, of course, we might make an argument that a state department shouldn't be telling school districts or counties what to do.  I definitely lean in the direction of local rights and getting rid of State and Federal education departments...but that's probably a discussion for a different thread. 

[Ivy]

While I can see a problem with giving 3rd graders explicit details on how to preform certain sex acts could be a problem, trying to erase the entire existence of a group of people is a problem as well.

 

Speaking for myself, I received no sex education when I was in school ('50's) and it was not a good thing, I assure you.  My first "education" was being molested by a neighbor teen, and not knowing what the f___ was going on or why.

 

As for education vs indoctrination, I suppose that depends on where you're coming from.  I don't think we're doing kids any service in covering up unpleasant facts of our past in the name of "Patriotism."  It may not be all bad, but US history is not as nice as we want to believe when seen from outside the bubble.  Knowing this might help us do better in the future.

 

I resent being micromanaged, but I do believe it is in society's (the 'state') best interest to have an educated population.  Maybe not compulsory past a certain point (like the Amish) but paid for by taxes since it benefits everyone - whether you have kids or not.  And I also think this should extend in to higher education when the student can meet the qualifications.  Unbelievably, this is the actual case in many other countries.

 

I suppose I could be labeled a socialist for saying this, but meh.   You can call me whatever you want, as long as you call me for dinner.

[Davie]

On 7/3/2023 at 2:52 PM, Ivy said:

if you can stand watching it.

The ad wasn't as awful as I feared it might be—but I did shower seven times after I watched it.

[Davie]

She challenges one school book a week. She says she'll never stop.

Petersen, 48, is part of a small army of book objectors nationwide. School book challenges reached historic highs in America in 2021 and 2022, according to the American Library Association. And just a handful of people are driving those records.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100218313137