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1st Federal Hate Crimes Trial Based On Gender Starts In So. Carolina


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I am not to sure that this guy will mount a successful defense. Columbia, SC where this is being held, is not the kind of place to put up with nonsense. They have some good people in Columbia, and the facts just do not support giving this guy a break. This sounds like he planned it. Nonetheless, black transgender women are killed at an alarming rate in the Southeastern US. We can only pray that her soul gets some justice. The chief of police in Columbia is former FBI, and the county sheriff is a decent human being with a fairly progressive department. I think the suspect is in for a rocky time.

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 I remember hearing about this when it happened.

It's sad when someone feels it's necessary to commit murder to cover up a relationship that they entered into freely, and apparently enjoyed on some level.

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I am going to be a downer on this one since I am very wary of the "Hate Crimes Enhancement" features laws.  All crimes that are committed must have an intent proven for the First Degree (highest level), it is often referred to as "malice aforethought".  In law schools the whole concept takes a full semester to fully develop and be understood. (Been there, done that.) As a result, "Hate Crimes" are pretty confusing to juries since it is an amplifier to the already necessary malice of the base crime and there has been historic confusion that if they do not find the evidence of the Hate has been shown, they will then decide the person did not have the intent for the major crime -- I was on such a jury* -- and thus the conviction will not be even for the higher basic crime. 

 

I would much rather the major crime of First Degree Murder in this case be found, and him being given the greatest sentence the prosecutor is looking for on that alone.

 

*The jury was deadlocked on the whole thing, but while we were deliberating the defendant plead out to the basic major crime which made several of us very relieved. 

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3 hours ago, VickySGV said:

they will then decide the person did not have the intent for the major crime

I have a hard time having respect for the legal profession sometimes.  I know there have to be rules, but when you see someone who is obviously guilty get off on a technicality…

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16 hours ago, KatieSC said:

black transgender women are killed at an alarming rate

I can't believe this only the First.  It's been going on so long, and so many victims of true hate crimes (regardless of the legal aspects involved).

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13 hours ago, VickySGV said:

I I would much rather the major crime of First Degree Murder in this case be found, and him being given the greatest sentence the prosecutor is looking for on that alone.

 

THIS.  Why bother with the hate crime stuff?  Just go for Murder 1, no negotiations or deals, just have the prosecutor push for capital punishment.  I'm no fan of government power and I have deep concerns about the "justice" system, but there are a lot of very obvious murders and heinous crimes where the offenders get to live comfortably for 30 years or more on the taxpayers' tab.  This is likely to be one of those. 

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Excellent outcome.  He can rot in jail as far as I'm concerned.

 

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He should just face the death penalty. He doesn't deserve life in prison. Then he won't be wasting tax dollars. Especially when it sounds like a hook and sinker type case. 

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1 hour ago, Ashley0616 said:

He should just face the death penalty. He doesn't deserve life in prison. Then he won't be wasting tax dollars. Especially when it sounds like a hook and sinker type case. 

 

This is a popular argument, but it's been shown that the millions of dollars spent on years of death penalty appeals and special treatment for death row inmates is far more than what would be spent on 30-40 years of regular confinement.  It does make many feel good on the rare occasions the penalty is carried out.

 

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2 hours ago, Carolyn Marie said:

 

This is a popular argument, but it's been shown that the millions of dollars spent on years of death penalty appeals and special treatment for death row inmates is far more than what would be spent on 30-40 years of regular confinement.  It does make many feel good on the rare occasions the penalty is carried out.

 

It wouldn't cost nearly so much if people actually got the "speedy" trial they have a right to.  It would probably also help to limit the number of appeals.  And all the special treatment that they get and fancy injection execution methods that are unreliable and costly... its what we call a "First World Problem."  

 

My husband often advocates for a system that he calls "death or fine." Serious crime like rape or murder? Assemble the firing squad.  Lesser crime like embezzlement or theft, the "debt to society" becomes literal, and payable like a mortgage.  Jail becomes merely a temporary holding pen, rather than a permanent destination. 

 

At least this guy is put away where he can't make more trouble.  Its the first step.

 

 

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2 hours ago, awkward-yet-sweet said:

 

It wouldn't cost nearly so much if people actually got the "speedy" trial they have a right to.  It would probably also help to limit the number of appeals.  And all the special treatment that they get and fancy injection execution methods that are unreliable and costly... its what we call a "First World Problem."  

 

My husband often advocates for a system that he calls "death or fine." Serious crime like rape or murder? Assemble the firing squad.  Lesser crime like embezzlement or theft, the "debt to society" becomes literal, and payable like a mortgage.  Jail becomes merely a temporary holding pen, rather than a permanent destination. 

 

At least this guy is put away where he can't make more trouble.  Its the first step.

 

 

Death by firing squad is great. Even the shooter with the actual bullet doesn't even know if he actually fired the live bullet. 

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ADMIN hat on here!!!

 

The comments regarding punishment, especially capital cases are getting off the subject here and we need to get back on track or close the topic.  The main focus of the Forums are the health and safety of our members, not on the fates of our H8ers or methods of their destruction. 

 

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17 minutes ago, VickySGV said:

ADMIN hat on here!!!

 

The comments regarding punishment, especially capital cases are getting off the subject here and we need to get back on track or close the topic.  The main focus of the Forums are the health and safety of our members, not on the fates of our H8ers or methods of their destruction. 

 

 

Very true.  And probably not much more to say about the guy in this case until he gets his sentence. 

 

I'll add that no matter what happens to the folks who do others harm, any punishment they receive oughtn't be a source of joy.  It sucks!  For their victims, for their families, and for them.  As an assault victim, I don't take joy in the thought that the guy who hurt me is in prison, even if it is justice. 

 

As usual, I notice that this guy had been in an intimate relationship with his victim.  It seems that trans folks usually get killed by people they know and are close to, rather than some stranger in the bushes.  As if dating needed to be any more difficult 🙄

 

 

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Apparently a lot of guys are ashamed that they are attracted to trans women.  They think it's "gay."  But it isn't the "gay" that they are attracted to.

I wish people would stop judging each other.  But that will never happen.

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