UK Secretary Uses Emergency Powers To Criminalize Possession Of Puberty Blockers

[Ivy]

https://www.erininthemorning.com/p/uk-secretary-uses-emergency-powers?utm_source=post-email-title&publication_id=994764&post_id=145165151&utm_campaign=email-post-title&isFreemail=true&r=k5hac&triedRedirect=true&utm_medium=email

 

This is how these people work…

"The prohibition relies on a decades-old law that allows for the emergency prohibition of medications without the need for a full legislative process; no vote was taken on the edict, and the order was issued just before parliament dissolved for the general election, meaning it could not be overturned."

 

"“It basically says puberty blockers are being treated like other illegal drugs like cocaine and heroin.” He then followed up with the applicable law, which indicates that those who violate the ban could be imprisoned for two years."

 

I suppose soon Social Transition will be outlawed.  It is contagious, you know.

[Carolyn Marie]

I think it is true that MAGA-ism has been exported to the U.K. and other places in Europe and even Canada.  It is a very sad phenomenon.  Hopefully, it is also a transitory one.

 

Too much of the world seems to think we are a scourge that requires either control or elimination.  It is depressing.

 

 

Carolyn Marie

[RaineOnYourParade]

Are they also banning puberty blockers given to cis kids who start puberty too early? 

 

If not, that's not even targeting a medication, that's targeting a use of a medication. It would be like saying if you had a medication perfectly capable of treating both pneumonia and bronchitis, but you're only allowed to use it on one patient or the other.

The stupidity is real 

[LucyF]

from here (https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2024/727/made) it states that it doesn't apply if:

 

"...(5) Condition D is that the purpose for which the private prescription was issued is a purpose other than treatment for the purpose of puberty suppression in respect of gender dysphoria, gender incongruence or a combination of both."

 

So the ban only applies to specifically for treatment of gender dysphoria/incongruence.

[Ivy]

Just now, LucyF said:

So the ban only applies to specifically for treatment of gender dysphoria/incongruence.

So, it's treating this specific "condition" that is forbidden.

 

Sometimes it's hard to believe how much they hate us.

[Lydia_R]

Commenting on this kind of thing is a very delicate business for me, but I have strong feelings about it all.

 

I think my problem with commenting on it is that I feel it is a fairly complicated subject and I would have to write a lot to cover the entire topic.  I don't just blanket support trans rights.  I follow the logic of "our" antagonists.  I think that especially, transgender sports is a "problem".  I'm not at all a sports person beyond enjoying board games, bike rides and throwing a frisbee.  But I can see the point of having transwomen competing along side cis gendered woman being an unfair advantage.  Not this this subject is directly related to this thread....

 

This thread mentions treating a "condition".  I dislike the label "gender dysphoria" and would never use that to describe myself in the same way that it would be very unlikely that I would ever call myself disabled even if I was confined to a wheelchair.

 

I was a proponent of marijuana legalization in the 1990's and still am to some degree.  I disliked the term "medical marijuana" and choose not to participate in that system.  When recreational marijuana became legal in Oregon, I eventually went to a store and bought some.  I was in my mid-40's and by that time was so sober and health conscious that I didn't want to hurt my lungs or really even feel intoxicated, so it really didn't do much to me when I smoked it and I didn't smoke much of it or spend any significant money on it.  The law allows us to grow 4 plants, so I did that several times.  I enjoy the process and the smell of the fresh leaves and buds.  When I harvest it, and then smoke it, it's the same thing.  I don't want to hurt my body or feel intoxicated.  So the jar of it sat on the shelf and I got the idea of burning it for incense.  I love the smell of it and it was fun to burn it.  It's been several years since I've done that, but I'll likely do that again some day.

 

This article also mentions classifying puberty blockers along with cocaine and heroine.  They are all chemicals to consume and in that regard could be considered a medicine.  Food, sugar and caffeine are also chemicals to consume as is paint fumes.  Gun violence is absolutely awful, but you can certainly kill someone pretty quickly with a metal shish kabob or a letter opener.

 

So, do these arguments, laws and proposed laws hold any water?  Is there something wrong with puberty blockers?  Is the problem that young people are making permanent decisions about altering their body in a synthetic way that destroys their ability to have children?  Is the goal of government to promote a growing economy that is based on population growth?  Is the problem that people are afraid that if a large portion of people experiment with these chemicals and procedures, that population will drop to a point and we'll enjoy not having children so much that we as a species will go extinct?  I'd say that that last argument holds some water, but that we are hardly in a position to go extinct any time soon.

 

Is the problem that we are afraid that these young people will regret their decisions that kill their fertility and will miss out on getting meaning from life from having children?  If people aren't getting meaning from their children, can they find it anywhere else?

 

Or is the real problem that people are triggered by distasteful cross dressing?

 

One of my favorite movies is Easy Rider and the line that Jack Nicholson delivers "they have this scissor happy beautify America thing going on."

 

I think that stereotypes exist naturally.  Discrimination is a natural thing.  We use color and smell to discern "good" objects (food), from "bad" objects.  It's a material universe.  All objects have borders starting with the round stars and planets.  There is good food and bad food, isn't there?  But we can use that logic as a weapon.

 

So, what can we do about it?  What can we, as members of the transgender community, do about these laws?  I mentioned in another thread on this site I believe....  Yes, it's here:

 

https://www.transgenderpulse.com/forums/index.php?/topic/90578-what-do-you-think-is-the-biggest-block-to-lgbtq-acceptance/#comment-856442

 

Perhaps it is just my personal culture with the whole thing, or perhaps there is a bigger thing going on in the world.  I'm a musician who does not like playing concerts.  I enjoy making solo music for my website.  My last roommate and I got into a lot of intense political discussions and he mentioned that virtually everybody goes to the grocery store.  So that is the most public place there is.  We also got into discussions about different sections of the USA doing a segregation type of thing.  I certainly perceive my environment in Portland Oregon to be a liberal place and all 4 of the transwomen who have lived with me this year said they moved here from the south for the acceptance and medical care.  Is segregating the country like this a dangerous road to go down?

 

And this kind of thinking can go on and on and I certainly want to mention abortion now and then press on to environmental issues and indigenous cultures.

 

As someone who claims to be sober, is HRT a designer drug and I'm actually not sober at all?  My driver's license says female on it.  Should I be paranoid about using the women's bathroom?  All the stalls in there have doors on them.  And hooks.  I passed some WPATH steps sincerely.

[Ivy]

Just now, Lydia_R said:

I feel it is a fairly complicated subject

It certainly can be.  But it doesn't have to be.

 

The sports always come up, it's kinda the gateway.  And yeah, it's not simple.  I think there is no blanket solution for that one.

 

I also think there is no blanket solution for HRT.  As such it should be left up to the individuals involved.  I don't think puberty blockers, and hormones should be given out like candy - especially to kids.  However, with counseling, and the involvement of the parents and doctors, the state should stay out of it.  For a trans person there is an advantage to starting fairly young.  I wish I could have.

 

The idea that the human race will die out if we let people transition is ludicrous.  Cis people have no desire to transition and I expect there will still be plenty of people with the urge to [procreate] to keep things going. 

 

Trans people may be more visible these days, but trans people have always existed.  And the last I looked, there are still enough people around to screw things up.

[Lydia_R]

Perhaps the reality is that everyone in the world is high on hormones, either natural or synthetic.

[Ivy]

Could be.  You might be on to something.