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https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/drag-performance-resembling-last-supper-olympics-opening-ceremony-rcna163927

 

We want acceptance and inclusion.  We don't want folks to reject us or think we're weird or some kind of abomination.  But when stuff like this happens and the whole world can see it, how is this a good idea?  How does this help us to fit in with everybody else?  Is there some unwritten requirement that LGBTQ+ events and festivals have to imitate the "Capital" scenes from the Hunger Games movies? :blowup:

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The whole thing was kind of stupid.  I don't understand why a sporting event has to include all the entertainment any way.  They all seem to be trying to outdo each other.

 

Mocking religion seems to be fairly common in drag.  Not only drag.  You see non-christians wearing crosses all the time.  I used to wear a cross under my clothes all the time.  Since I left the fold I will not wear a cross.  If you want to, fine.  I see people driving around with the fish-things on their cars.  They're proud to be a christian.  Why?  I don't see anything to be proud of.  Jesus was the one who did all the work - right?

 

I'm not a big fan of "drag" anyway.  I think it's kinda gross.  If someone is into it, more power to them.  Drag is not the same thing as transgender.  Drag performers may be queer, maybe not.  It bothers me that some politicians equate me going about my daily life with a drag performance.  

 

What happened in Paris was just a big waste of time and money.  Being outraged by it is just stupid.  If the drag part seemed over the top… well that's what drag is.  Better to just shake your head and walk away.  

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On 7/30/2024 at 12:41 AM, Ivy said:

Being outraged by it is just stupid.  If the drag part seemed over the top… well that's what drag is.  Better to just shake your head and walk away.  

An article I read today surmised that pop culture has probably had their way with the Last Supper dozens of times over the years. It could be true, who knows?

 

Getting all het up about it will just bring more attention to it. 

 

Nothing to see here.

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Just now, Mirrabooka said:

 

 

Nothing to see here.

Agreed!

Much to do about nothing other than politically driven outrage.

 

Hugs,

 

Charlize

 

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It was pretty offensive if you're a Catholic (like me), but it has worked to stir us up and remind us of key elements of our faith (which is a good thing). I get aggravated by Christian outlets who say they are offended yet keep reposting the images. Stop it, already! 

 

I agree with @awkward-yet-sweetthat these types of showings are among the top reasons why trans folk have a hard time gaining acceptance. The "outside world" equates trans with the over-the-top, in-your-face, oftentimes-mocking nature of drag. 

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I'm a Catholic but wasn't offended by it. Religion writ large is often the brunt of parody and we all have a right to free expression.

 

I am, however, a big believer that timing is everything as well as the concept of "Just because you can do something doesn't mean you should." In this case, with everything that is going on around the world and especially now in the US regarding trans and gay issues, was that the right time and place for the parody? I would argue it wasn't and it did nothing but fuel hate and disdain. 

 

Sure, it becomes political theater but at the base level, the average ultra-conservative or anyone who has doubts regarding the trans and gay cultures, it just succeeded in smacking the hornets' nest, IMHO.

 

Just my own $.02

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Christians getting upset because art imitating other art (specifically art about Greek gods, Feast of the Gods or Feast of Dionysus, not the Last Supper) is the most Christian thing right now. Everything is attacking them when, in fact, there was no slight or attack. People may think the artist should have taken into account the Christian narrative to avoid offense, but that is not how art works. Gay or trans people do a thing, they get lambasted for it, regardless of the art on display. It doesn't matter. They just don't want to see us. So, our choice is to remain out of view or be perceived as instigators. My vote is to remain visible and show people we exist and that it is good and OK that we do.

 

How about people start getting offended with other artistic blasphemies?

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Just now, MaeBe said:

Christians getting upset because art imitating other art (specifically art about Greek gods, Feast of the Gods or Feast of Dionysus, not the Last Supper) is the most Christian thing right now. Everything is attacking them when, in fact, there was no slight or attack. People may think the artist should have taken into account the Christian narrative to avoid offense, but that is not how art works. Gay or trans people do a thing, they get lambasted for it, regardless of the art on display. It doesn't matter. They just don't want to see us. So, our choice is to remain out of view or be perceived as instigators. My vote is to remain visible and show people we exist and that it is good and OK that we do.

 

How about people start getting offended with other artistic blasphemies?

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Well put. :angel:

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Just now, MaeBe said:

Christians getting upset because art imitating other art (specifically art about Greek gods, Feast of the Gods or Feast of Dionysus, not the Last Supper) is the most Christian thing right now. Everything is attacking them when, in fact, there was no slight or attack. People may think the artist should have taken into account the Christian narrative to avoid offense, but that is not how art works. Gay or trans people do a thing, they get lambasted for it, regardless of the art on display. It doesn't matter. They just don't want to see us.

 

 

 

Totally agree with you, @MaeBe.  I'm offended when they post made up pics of Trump wearing a military uniform, or in the images you posted.  Somehow, those same outraged people see no problem whatsoever with those.  I guess it all depends on one's POV.

 

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Just now, Carolyn Marie said:

Trump wearing a military uniform

As someone who was actually drafted…  Yeah.

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People are mad about these things and are reacting  

 

I think  I just lost one of my jobs because of it. 

 

I didn’t even watch the opening ceremony.  It looks creepy to me sorry

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I’m not like drag not at all.  But if some people think they figure out what I am they mistakenly group me in with it often 

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Just now, Maddee said:

But if some people think they figure out what I am they mistakenly group me in with it often 

The people that are most upset and obsessed with us are the ones that know the least about us.  And they are unwilling to actually learn better.

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Reading the history of DaVinci's "Last Supper" from an art POV and all of this becomes even more ridiculous.  He was paid to make it for an Italian Nobleman  who was trying to "buy his way into heaven" by building a religious chapel.  DaVinci took 5 years to complete it, used Italian models for all the characters, and even the dinner table was Italian high money feast style and not what would have been in Israel at the time of the actual final meal shared by the apostles.  The same painting by DaVinci on the Nobleman's dining room wall (which could have been the real model) would not have resulted in this mess today.  Characters at the old Grecian Festivals also had exaggerated dress or none at all.  Olympic winners in the original days were elevated to Demi-god status in their communities and had dinner parties thrown for them on that status.  This may not have done Trans people any good, but it has not elevated our real level of harm. 

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9 hours ago, EasyE said:

It was pretty offensive if you're a Catholic (like me), but it has worked to stir us up and remind us of key elements of our faith (which is a good thing).

 

I hadn't thought of it that way.  I understand that a lot of churches have way more people on their membership lists than actually attend, so perhaps it serves as a reminder to the infrequent-attenders or more casual believers that we're actually in a conflict with the world system.  The Last Supper is an integral image among other denominations, also, including mine. 

 

6 hours ago, MaeBe said:

Everything is attacking them when, in fact, there was no slight or attack.

 

How about people start getting offended with other artistic blasphemies?

 

The first statement, I disagree with entirely.  If nothing else, that's the same thing that many cis folks often say about us....  You don't really feel attacked if you're not part of the group that's feeling it happen. 

 

And yes, I find the images you posted REALLY offensive.  Thankfully, I'm not seeing them in national/international media, supported by the tax dollars of major nations, or promoted as being something wonderful and accepting.

 

3 hours ago, VickySGV said:

Reading the history of DaVinci's "Last Supper" from an art POV and all of this becomes even more ridiculous. 

 

As an artist, I'll agree.  DaVinci had a great mind, but this particular painting wasn't very good.  I think it became a classic more because of who painted it than the image itself.  After a while, it has become a sort of kitsch cultural icon.  A lot of Christian families have a print of it hanging in the kitchen or dining area, and I've even seen it in school cafeterias. 

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Speaking of stuff which isn't helpful, as per the thread title:

 

Fox News' Jesse Watters makes extraordinary claim about men who vote for a woman | Daily Mail Online

 

A man who votes for a woman actually transitions into one? I'M IN!!! 😆

 

Seriously, this isn't free speech. It isn't even buffoonery or hyperbole. It is f-wittery.

 

How does a [derogatory term] like Watters get away with stuff like this? Moreover, how does the Fox network continue to hold a license to operate?

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Please keep the topic, which while it can be totally politicized is about a certain image.   Political outrage is felt to the right and left but need not be  inflamed.  

 

As far as the controversy above it can easily let it go if one remembers the second commandment.  It is only a graven image.  Many very Christian sects allow no images much like Islam.  

 

Hugs,

 

Charlize

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20 hours ago, awkward-yet-sweet said:

The first statement, I disagree with entirely.  If nothing else, that's the same thing that many cis folks often say about us....  You don't really feel attacked if you're not part of the group that's feeling it happen.

Frankly, this is dross and stuffed full of straw. Which ancient festivity or painting is “Lady Ballers” based off of?

 

A bunch of people behind a table does not a last supper make.

 

Listen to conservative media: Christmas is under attack, Starbucks did something with their paper cups they don’t like; Christians are being persecuted, contraception is covered medically or LGBTQ+ people are allowed to exist. To think that Christians aren’t espousing a persecution complex is turning a blind eye and a deaf ear to western religious politics. 

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OK folks, time to close up shop here, since we are getting extremely circular in who is insulting whom and for what gain. 

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