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MO Republicans Want To Codify Restrictions On DL Gender Markers


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https://missouriindependent.com/2024/12/09/lawmakers-seek-permanent-restrictions-on-transgender-missourians-ids/

 

 

Missouri Republicans:  Only chromosomes can prove someone is a woman.  And if not chromosomes, then only surgery can prove someone is a woman.  Because...safety."   :banghead:

 

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This is the world we are going to have to live in.

Surgery is out of reach for a lot of us.  But in the end even surgery will not be good enough for these people.

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I suppose this is a difficult issue we here in the UK are seeing a rise of trans committing sex offenses whilst pertaining to be trans this does not reflect very well on those of us that are trans and maybe the logic behind this is surgery or at least some form of officially accepted ID from a gender specialist might be the way forward. Things have changed a great deal over the years from when transsexualism was classified as a mental health issue, to were we are today with self certification. With the advent of the internet and social media there does appear to be a spike in those transitioning.

I am fortunate but in some respects un fortunate, when I transitioned you came under the mental health act and had to attend in some cases every two weeks  be in full time employment but had a six month wait during which time without hormones you had to work change your name and prove that you were living full time, it was for me a frightening time but it made me stronger. I was often threatened with the balance of your mind routine and to do as i was told. In the end i did get my surgery but today things are very different with self certification and just a couple of microsoft teams meetings

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32 minutes ago, kat2 said:

With the advent of the internet and social media there does appear to be a spike in those transitioning.

 

33 minutes ago, kat2 said:

In the end i did get my surgery but today things are very different with self certification and just a couple of microsoft teams meetings

 

This seems like the edge of a very slippery slope down trans medicalism. "Social media is making people trans" is a breath a way and so is "the people that went through hell makes them valid, those that have not are not".

 

Trans people aren't mentally ill and criminals will commit crime. Do cases of trans people committing crime get more attention? Yes. Why? Because it serves the capitalist/patriarchal narrative. Conflating trans with being a predator obfuscates the real scope of the sexual violence problem that is mainly perpetrated by cisgendered men. Never mind the victim shaming and blaming, the lack of justice for survivors, the inordinate ratio of sexual violence against Native peoples, and all of the PTSD and shame that survivors must deal with. So let's stop thinking trans people are the problem, because here are some statistics:

 

There are over 433,000 cases of sexual assault or rape annually in the U.S. among people ages 12 and older, according to The Rape, Abuse & Incest National Network (RAINN). Every 68 seconds, another American is sexually assaulted, RAINN data shows.

 

An estimated 91% of victims of rape & sexual assault are female and 9% male. Nearly 99% of perpetrators are male. (1) This US Dept. of Justice statistic does not report those who do not identify in these gender boxes.

 

The above are for the US, but for UK-specific numbers:

  • 1 in 2 rapes against women are carried out by their partner or ex-partner
  • 91% of people prosecuted for sexual offences are men aged 18+
  • 6 in 7 rapes against women are carried out by someone they know

And just in case people start bandying about "The Swedish Study", like UK politicians and TERFs do, yeah: it doesn't mean what they think it means.

 

Switching gears to the "there are more trans people now..." sentiment... If there is factually a rise, could it not be a similar issue to the history of left-handedness? As in, people are more comfortable being open about their gender identity because it has been relatively safer to do so, that people no longer shame-start themselves of their identity because of oppressive social/religious biases. Does their identity and expression invalidate any one else's simply because they would have historically bent to the will of the social hegemony? Does that make people that did come years ago out any more trans? If anything, it does prove them to be incredibly courageous people. They paved the way and, personally, I am so very grateful for them; I would never know that I am trans without their strength.

 

As for the OP! Yes, finally, sorry!

The enforcement of surgery is effectively a poll tax on being transgender. Can't afford it out of pocket (because we know health care will likely not cover it, or won't soon in those States)? You're not trans. Have a relationship that would end if you went through with surgery but you're a committed partner and prioritize your family over your own crippling dysphoria? You're not trans either.

 

In the end what does having a Sex or Gender marker on a license even do? It's irrelevant information in most cases. It really only enforces alignment with patriarchal mechanisms. Show up looking like a woman with an M on your license? Does that stop you from getting Sudafed? How about if you get stopped by police for speeding, would a bearded person with an F on their license be any less in violation?

 

It could one day be used to re-establish discriminatory anti-trans or other body policing laws though, such as the cross-dressing laws that a SCOTUS was so surprised to "learn" about last week. Effectively this is what MAGA and Christofascists want, to enforce their view of the world on everyone for the betterment of no one but themselves.

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Just now, MaeBe said:

As in, people are more comfortable being open about their gender identity because it has been relatively safer to do so, that people no longer shame-starve themselves of their identity because of oppressive social/religious biases.

Editing in post...

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3 hours ago, kat2 said:

we here in the UK are seeing a rise of trans committing sex offenses whilst pertaining to be trans this does not reflect very well on those of us that are trans

This is just unfair.

I should not have to defend whether a criminal is trans, or claims to be trans,  to justify my own right to exist.

I have not had the "chop" so I guess I'm faking it - probably to commit an assault.

I an so tired of this [redacted].

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5 hours ago, kat2 said:

I suppose this is a difficult issue we here in the UK are seeing a rise of trans committing sex offenses whilst pertaining to be trans...

 

As a matter of curiosity only, have the sex offenses committed by the Cis community fallen by a similar amount?? 

 

Second question that shows a different side -- have there been more laws enacted targeting Trans people under the sexual topics of laws? 

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@AllieJ That was one enjoyable video there,  I personally did not learn anything too new from it since I have already been subject to almost all of that information and see the humor and just plain bewilderment that is really involved in the whole picture.  Luckily for me I have flexible enough mind to take seemingly contradictory information and turn it in to beauty and not fear as so many have.

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Just now, VickySGV said:

@AllieJ That was one enjoyable video there,  I personally did not learn anything too new from it since I have already been subject to almost all of that information and see the humor and just plain bewilderment that is really involved in the whole picture.  Luckily for me I have flexible enough mind to take seemingly contradictory information and turn it in to beauty and not fear as so many have.

 

This video should be basic viewing for all people to let them know you simply can't make laws based on XX and XY. For us trans people, this is a qualified biologist citing hundreds of references explaining the complexity of biology. It is important for us to know this for our personal understanding, but also to defend ourselves against misinformation. 

 

Like you, I had read most of this in dozens of different texts, but this video packs a lot of information into an enjoyable 30 minutes.

 

Hugs,

 

Allie

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One thing I really dislike is laws that define intersex as being a chromosomal disorder.  I was born as a "typical" 46XX female, yet I still have some interesting things going on anatomically.  Chromosomes clearly don't tell the full story. 

 

I can see the safety argument, in light of folks who might pretend to be trans to commit crimes.  It could happen.  But making another law isn't the answer.  Rape is already illegal.  Leering at somebody in the bathroom is already illegal.  Illicit contact with kids is already illegal.  None of those laws prevent it from happening.  Law isn't a barrier for criminals, it merely provides a framework for cleaning up after the fact. 

 

I've got stepdaughters, and somebody pretending to be trans to ambush them in a bathroom is really not on my list of worries.  Why?  Because they are either armed in some way and have some training, or they are around companions or elders who are.  Problem solved, no government required. 

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Just now, awkward-yet-sweet said:

One thing I really dislike is laws that define intersex as being a chromosomal disorder.  I was born as a "typical" 46XX female, yet I still have some interesting things going on anatomically.  Chromosomes clearly don't tell the full story. 

 

I can see the safety argument, in light of folks who might pretend to be trans to commit crimes.  It could happen.  But making another law isn't the answer.  Rape is already illegal.  Leering at somebody in the bathroom is already illegal.  Illicit contact with kids is already illegal.  None of those laws prevent it from happening.  Law isn't a barrier for criminals, it merely provides a framework for cleaning up after the fact. 

 

I've got stepdaughters, and somebody pretending to be trans to ambush them in a bathroom is really not on my list of worries.  Why?  Because they are either armed in some way and have some training, or they are around companions or elders who are.  Problem solved, no government required. 

 

Studies show the incidence of attack in restrooms by trans people is insignificant, less than the risks of attack from cis people , so creating laws targeting trans people in restroom are based solely in the imagination of conservatives. On the other hand, attacks on trans people in restrooms is higher than the rate on cis people, so on a risk basis, trans people should be preferenced over cis people in restrooms aligning with their identity. 

 

Hugs,

 

Allie

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I suppose this is the issue with our spectrum (trans) and hopefully one day there will be an answer, the UK Cass report published April 2024 reported at least in the UK giving a significant increase in those presenting. When i first presented many years ago there were only two presenting (in our area where we live)  and we were both informed that it was a rare medical condition. Present day there are massive backlogs for the gender clinics, and i mean in the thousands, granted that the process is slow but there has been a significant rise, i think it important to try and understand why such a rise has taken place. My own experience is very different probably to most on here, i never had a relationship and ended up at a mental hospital, the thought of sharing a body that did not accord with my mind filled me with disgust.

 

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1 hour ago, kat2 said:

i think it important to try and understand why such a rise has taken place.

Do you think that, when there was a dearth of support and understanding about being transgender, that people could understand or had any idea what to do with themselves? That the only people that got support did so by falling into the healthcare system due to the severity of their situations, while those who closeted/hid/shamed themselves into the binary lived on without any care. So, to the world, trans people were only people with severe mental health issues and were treated as such.

 

Since the middle of the 20th century, research into trans people (re?)started and it's been a fight since then. Some research was starting from a point of bias that being trans is a paraphilia or mental disorder and came up with "just-so" conclusions, enforcing the "strong patriarchal norms" that have solidified within the post-industrial/capitalistic West. Fast forward to the last 50 years and research understands that gender is a spectrum and that information started spreading, so that those that had survived outside without mental health diagnosis could live their authentic lives. They had the language and understanding that they are not a boy/girl or JUST a boy/girl.

 

Traditionally, society only tolerates variance and change when it is accompanied by great suffering: from losing weight to escaping poverty to being transgender, society directly and indirectly demands people suffer to change their lot in life.

 

"No pain, no gain"

"Pull yourself up by the bootstraps"

"Trans people are mentally ill"

 

This perpetuates social stigmas and creates mentalities of stratification in marginalized people, so that people that didn't suffer as they were forced to are not valid. By forcing people to suffer, society enforces future suffering to control change, attempting to enshrine the status quo. You can see this by all the people being critical and shaming people losing weight through chemistry (which almost always is paired with exercise but people are blind to that), the crushing of the lower classes by the wealthy (Elon Musk anyone?), and the transmedicalist nonsense we see in the trans community from the likes of Brianna Wu.

 

Why are there more trans people? First, are there actually? Like I inferred in my earlier post, I see a bit of the left-hand/right-hand story here. Southpaws were stigmatized, society bent itself sideways to be right-handed, and once that stigma was found to be bollocks people "became" left-handed at higher rates. And now, as society understands that forcing oneself into the binary isn't the only way to live, more people are "becoming" trans. People aren't "becoming" trans or left-handed, of course. We are allowing ourselves to be authentic when historically we would have buried our truth, hid in the closet, and/or convinced ourselves we were shameful and broken.

 

So, I challenge you @kat2, have you thought about what are behind your concerns? What is causing your apprehension?

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Like i have said in my earlier posts, we all have our own journey but yet each in its own is different. As you post "More people are Becoming trans" Makes me wonder why? I mean most appear to have been married or are married so the potential to destroy relationships, so is it not right to ask why more people are becoming trans? I did not (personally) want to become anything other than what i already was, I tried very hard to understand why I felt the way that I do in the end i had to accept that i was different.

My options were clear and that was why i ended up in hospital (death or confrontation). My concerns are trying to normalise something that is not normal and that more research is needed to try and understand why? is it normal to destroy a relationship? no so what drives that?

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Just now, kat2 said:

Like i have said in my earlier posts, we all have our own journey but yet each in its own is different. As you post "More people are Becoming trans" Makes me wonder why? I mean most appear to have been married or are married so the potential to destroy relationships, so is it not right to ask why more people are becoming trans? I did not (personally) want to become anything other than what i already was, I tried very hard to understand why I felt the way that I do in the end i had to accept that i was different.

My options were clear and that was why i ended up in hospital (death or confrontation). My concerns are trying to normalise something that is not normal and that more research is needed to try and understand why? is it normal to destroy a relationship? no so what drives that?

huggs

 

The medical bodies support that we don't 'become' trans, but we are born that way. In the past, most trans people never realised why they were constantly frustrated and thinking thoughts which were not acceptable in society, so they tried not to think about it. In recent years, more information is filtering through the general public, and the medical community, so these frustrations and feelings are better recognised. Now there is terminology to allow more and more people to realise what has been bothering them. There aren't 'more' trans people, it is simply more people are realising they are trans, and there is less stigma in seeking help.

 

Hugs,

 

Allie

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Yeah.  When I was younger, I hadn't even heard of transgender people.  I just assumed there was a problem with me that I needed to hide.

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