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9 Reasons To Make Sure You Bind Appropriately And Not Over years and years


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Guest A.S.

I wanna to add something... I learn this the hard way today that I feel like shaking my fist at a buddy of mine was telling me to use back brace band as a binder and an hour later she/he laughed at me like it was a joke and I fell for it big time... I did tried it for few seconds and it hurts yestrday and snapped a pic...

Please don't ever try back brace and I don't care what ppl says about it. Don't try it at anywhere.

Again, I learn the hard way.

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Guest Nick_Hosler

I went back to sports bras. Chelseys right. I am small chested and pass well. I just get paranoid. Thank you

NOOOO!

An ace bandage is by far "the worst " when it comes to repercussions. If he's gonna do it (and its kinda hard to tell a tguy who's determined not to just cuz of how it hurts him to imagine ANYbody can see ANYthing lots of times) then ideally he should go the route of least damage first if he can- the sports bra. Title 9 and Frogg (did I spell it right guys?) have a gooood reputation for flattening guys who sound like your husband (dang near flat to begin with?) I recently even heard the technique of wearing 2 of em- the first one backwards since the "straight" back band will flatten even more. And this is the thing you're gonna maybe have to absorb as an S/O , it could very well be that the "sports bra" thing is problematic actually because of the word "bra". Dysphoria is very much a phychological/emotional thing in that we tend to feel "hyper" aware and scathed by any and everything "for girls" . However much the tguy feels like "being a regular guy " is distant to his grasp, the more it gets amped up. In the event that he just really feels like he needs "strong binding" not "girl bras" (cuz a tguy easily could say that) then have him look on underworks, or tkingdom or one of the companies that actually sells "binders" . These formal binders came from natal males needing gynecomastia (you know, were guys look like they have boobies) who were horrified and bent out of shape about it. A tguy tends to have little problem addressing something in the same way "any other guy would". Anyway, the binders run about 30 dollars each and you can ask around as to which was better in what way blah blah. In the event that 30 is a stretch to go spendin on binders (cuz sometimes it is) theres a program run by a transitioned tguy called "big brothers binder program). Google it. It'll come up. The guy who runs it helps guys that can't swing brand new ones get used ones. Some are even brand new donates from underworks themself :mellow: At a certain point underworks realized where a lot of there gynecomastia binders were going , so a relationship began between and the ftm community as it were ( they even have a page where they explain the sizing for a tmale)

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Guest insanitylives
Other things guys have used to create DIY binders:

  • A swim shirt (the kind they sell at target) bought one size too small
  • A snug pair of support pantyhose with the legs cut off for armholes and a neck cut into the crotch (the body part you would be useing is made of a stretch resisting kind of material)
  • Biking shorts used the same way as the control tops

No, these things may not be "ideal" but they are less constricting in terms of damage

Will have to try the bike shorts. Both of the other things i've tried with little effect [well...i suppose when your chest varies between 38 and 42 inches(varies on weight and time of... well whatever you wanna call it), diy binding is GOING to be a pain in the rear end]

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Guest My_Genesis
Other things guys have used to create DIY binders:

  • A swim shirt (the kind they sell at target) bought one size too small
  • A snug pair of support pantyhose with the legs cut off for armholes and a neck cut into the crotch (the body part you would be useing is made of a stretch resisting kind of material)
  • Biking shorts used the same way as the control tops

No, these things may not be "ideal" but they are less constricting in terms of damage

Someone on here "J_Karican" (sp?) recommended I use Underworks compression shirts in boys' sizes. He's smaller than I am height-wise but we were about the same chest size. He got a small, I got a medium. Medium doesn't work at all for me... sucks but hey I guess after top surgery I can use it for an undershirt or something (unless I get too muscular and it doesn't fir anymore - it's already snug.) But I'm wondering if the small woulda worked. Sounds similar to the swim shirt thing.

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Guest Evan_J
I went back to sports bras. Chelseys right. I am small chested and pass well. I just get paranoid. Thank you

Heeey! Its Nick! Howdy! Glad you're around. I know there's likely a formal "I'm here" post somewhere , but well, I saw this one first :)

MyGen: Why didn't you just use the ftm sizing page?

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Guest My_Genesis
Heeey! Its Nick! Howdy! Glad you're around. I know there's likely a formal "I'm here" post somewhere , but well, I saw this one first :)

MyGen: Why didn't you just use the ftm sizing page?

oh lol woops I meant Under Armour. :P

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Guest insanitylives

underarmor seems to have no effect on me, but that's probably because I can't even get into anything smaller than a large without being afraid of popping the seams [my chest has done this to clothes before, when i was bigger. it's left me paranoid lol]

but it might have made a difference.

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Guest ramoneskid

Cripes.. I had my doubts about long-term binding (via underworks gear), but some of that stuff is totally crazy. Thanks a heap for posting this up Evan, I'm going to be sure to give myself breaks and continue saving up big-time for my top surgery.

Also, I've got a pretty specific question - a binder I got via Underworks is a "compression muscle shirt." It feels much looser (looks looser too, but still flat under a shirt) and I was pondering, are looser binders like such, were I don't feel much restraint from it, a better alternative? It's kind of thick so it gets sweaty as heck, but I prefer to wear it most days. If anyone has the same shirt or can tell me anything about this that would be magnifico. :D merci

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Guest My_Genesis

Couple questions.

So binding with Underworks - it's bad to sleep in it, right? Because mine is comfortable enough I would sleep in it, I just haven't yet because I am concerned about it being a health issue.

Also - and this question is directed more at Evan because he kinda touched on this in one of my threads - does binding actually cause the breast tissue to break down? Because if it does, that would be good reason for me to bind more often, before going on T at least. But is it unhealthy for it to break down the tissue?

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Guest BlueMoon

My boyfriend has hypermobile joints and although he stubbornly says its his bed, I've noticed it getting worse after he's been wearing his binder.

They are now clicking and aching in the evenings and i know he wears it longer then the recommended amount. Can't wait for him to get clearance on top surgery because i HATE that thing and everytime he asks me to help him put it on there's a voice in my head saying i don't want to.... then i remember he won't leave the house without it and it makes him feel better so i grit my teeth and do it :/

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Guest Nicodeme

Couple questions.

So binding with Underworks - it's bad to sleep in it, right? Because mine is comfortable enough I would sleep in it, I just haven't yet because I am concerned about it being a health issue.

Also - and this question is directed more at Evan because he kinda touched on this in one of my threads - does binding actually cause the breast tissue to break down? Because if it does, that would be good reason for me to bind more often, before going on T at least. But is it unhealthy for it to break down the tissue?

If I'm having a particularly dysphoric week I'll sleep in my really, REEEAAAAAAAAALLY beat-up old tri-top, or a double-front. After you've beaten the hell out of your binder I think it's (sort of) safe to wear to bed. It's more for restraint than compression in my case. I wouldn't advise making that a standard thing unless you really have to.

And while I'm not Evan, I can verify that the tissue does break down. It's not quick. But it does really happen. I noticed one day while getting ready to put on my binder that my chest had gotten a LOT softer (and before I started binding, I had very firm...growths) and...basically my chest feels more like it's filled with gel than beans, if you get what I'm saying. Encouraging the tissue to break down is one of my reasons for binding at night during a really bad week. To my knowledge there's no health problems directly associated with breaking down that tissue.

But dude, spare your breathing. You kind of need that after you're done transitioning.

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I don't know, I've been binding for 3+ years, and I haven't noticed much, if any, breakdown in my chest tissue. They're still as stubbornly dense as they were before. Maybe it depends on the individual?

I wouldn't sleep in a binder. I have a few times, mostly when I'm sleeping in the same room as other people, or on backpacking trips, and it sucks. Sleeping itself is fine, more or less, but then waking up and facing another day in the binder, digging into your skin and everything, without having had a break from it, is more than I want to deal with on anything more than a very occasional basis. Even if it's a fairly comfortable binder, just try to give your body a break. :)

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If I'm having a particularly dysphoric week I'll sleep in my really, REEEAAAAAAAAALLY beat-up old tri-top, or a double-front. After you've beaten the hell out of your binder I think it's (sort of) safe to wear to bed. It's more for restraint than compression in my case. I wouldn't advise making that a standard thing unless you really have to.

And while I'm not Evan, I can verify that the tissue does break down. It's not quick. But it does really happen. I noticed one day while getting ready to put on my binder that my chest had gotten a LOT softer (and before I started binding, I had very firm...growths) and...basically my chest feels more like it's filled with gel than beans, if you get what I'm saying. Encouraging the tissue to break down is one of my reasons for binding at night during a really bad week. To my knowledge there's no health problems directly associated with breaking down that tissue.

But dude, spare your breathing. You kind of need that after you're done transitioning.

Before I got my binder I would wear a bra to bed, 24/7 except when showering (dysphoria issues with not wearing one.) Sleeping with my binder is just as comfortable.... which makes me think perhaps I should have gotten a small instead of a medium. If I am finding it that comfortable maybe I'm not getting as much binding effect as I should? Because I also could be flatter than I am with this binder. I was borderline between a small and a medium for the 997. Next binder I'm getting will also be a medium but the measurements are slightly smaller for a medium (tri-top) so when I get that one, I'll see if it's too uncomfortable to sleep in. My biggest issue with binding right now isn't that it's uncomfortable to wear pretty much 24/7 - it's just that it's too hot to be wearing a binder! I'm getting the tri-top because then it'll be a bit more like wearing a bra than wearing an undershirt in hot humid weather.

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Guest Distort

Oh dear, scary stuff :(

One good thing about being 'in the closet' I guess - I'm lucky if I bind for any more that 16 hours a week.

I'm basically resigned to the likely hood of never having the money to afford a complete transition, but I'm definitely looking into saving enough for a breast removal, or at least a severe breast reduction.

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Guest some ftm guy

hey Evan J..or anyone i guess..so that 2 sports bra method works for only guys with really small boobs or for any size? I'm average unfortunately and i get the feeling i won't be able to pull off the double sports bra method even though that'd be safer. dear christ i knew there were health/safety issues with binding like wearing 2 at once or wearing a size too small could make you pass out or give you a sternum injury so you can't take a deep breath for a few days or weeks but blood clots in the lungs?! heart attacks?! just wow :unsure:

any help would be much appreciated

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Dunno what I'm gonna do about this. Because I doubt I'll get hormones or even chest surgery with my heart......

I already have problems when i bind where I have palpitations!

*is doomed. Doomed I tell ya!*

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Guest Wulfhere

I was just wondering whether the people these things happened to were wearing Underworks' full length binders or tritops? I can see the full length ones resulting in what was described, but seems to me the tritops are safer. I could see things like bruising or in more extreme cases fracturing ribs, but for the rest of that to happen, I think you'd need to be binding tighter than usual, no? Like binding with two binders, or a size smaller than you actually are.

Also, I find the black and white tritop binders fit differently, with the black ones being a bit more rigid/allowing less movement than the white ones that feel a bit more elastic.

Myself I've only ever used the Underworks tritops (use a medium). I wear them all day (take them off at night) and even when I work out (during both weights and cardio). Even during intense cardio or playing sports I've never felt abnormal shortness of breath or decreased lung capacity. The tritop compresses my chest well and sure it's tight, but when it comes to how it fits around my lower ribs I feel like there is still space to move freely. I'm not sure if that's just the nature of the tritop or just the way my body is, but yeah, was just wondering if there might be a difference in the risks as far as the two types go (full vs. tritop).

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Guest Cole Turner
:thumbsup: Thanks for the advice and information. I just started Binding and what you informed here is very helpful. I do want to take care of my body, so these warnings are greatly appreciated.
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Guest ashermohawk

O.O; i is scared now... i've had my tritop for about 6 months, and it fits well (a small) and i'm fine most of the time. but every once an a while, i'll have a bad binding day where i just cant wait to take it off when i get home. i, just now, promised myself to bind less durring the day, but this binder is the only one i have. i would like to get a nother one, a mediun this time, and i was wondering if geting another tritop or a doublefront would be better for binding and conserving heath. i feel if i do get another one, i could still use my tritop every once an a while, but not as my main binder.

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Guest CariadsCarrot

Wow scary. I just ordered my first binder a couple of days ago and am waiting for it to arrive. Hearing that there are health risks makes me sad coz there are already some breathing problems as part of a disability I have. Thinking about being able to go out with a flat chest made me feel so free. Now I don't know if it's a good idea but I don't know that I could face keeping on living for the rest of my life with my body like it is :(

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Guest JettCa

could someone tell me how to size one, I won't be getting one for a while but I right now am a 34 DDD I wish to get one now and when I get down to a size A but I won't use it as much when I am a size A as I am andro ty

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I've been binding my chest for 7 years without any problems. I also have/had a chest that's around an F cup. My binder of choice is an underworks 997. The tri-top makes it hard to breathe because the back rolls up on my ribs. I really doubt that I will develop health problems from binding. I also don't want top surgery anywhere in the near future. Sure it's possible to have these complications as the result of binding but I question the likeliness and how much it's related to binding...as well as the relevance to binding properly (ex: underworks 8-10 hours a day max, never while sleeping, not bound while at home).

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Guest sabastion

i can only bind for so long because everytime i do the binder pinches a nerve and half of the bottom of my right foot goes numb. so i only bind when im going to school which is about 8 hours. and so its not that bad. but its not the best.

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Guest Carter L

I've been binding my chest for 7 years without any problems. I also have/had a chest that's around an F cup. My binder of choice is an underworks 997. The tri-top makes it hard to breathe because the back rolls up on my ribs. I really doubt that I will develop health problems from binding. I also don't want top surgery anywhere in the near future. Sure it's possible to have these complications as the result of binding but I question the likeliness and how much it's related to binding...as well as the relevance to binding properly (ex: underworks 8-10 hours a day max, never while sleeping, not bound while at home).

Don't question the likeliness -- it all depends on body type and age. It's likely for someone to have complications, but you never know until you do it because different people's bodies react to compression in different ways. I have been binding for a year and already have bruised ribs and costochondritis. My binding habits were six hours a day, five days a week, maximum, using binders that were either the recommended size or slightly larger for me. I have a chest that's 34B.

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      It was nine thirty.  Saturday morning had rolled around more quickly than Taylor could believe.  She groaned, whined, thought of a million excuses why she should just stay in bed and knock the alarm across the room.  But it would still be going on, and so would the promise to Bob: when the gi came in, she would be in. There it was in its nice package, out where she could not miss it.  Why didn't she hide it?  She shook her head.   Up she got.  Sometimes you just do.  Her hair was a wreck. She patted it down and went to the bathroom.  Nine forty five. Shower later. No make up. She hated kara-tay especially at an ungodly early hour on a Saturday morning. Bagel. Instant coffee.  She was five minutes away when she realized she had forgotten the gi.  Back she went.   Into the dojo.  She had about five minutes to get the gi on.  She attempted to slip in unnoticed and go to the little restroom. Someone barked something out in Japanese or something, and there was a dead silence.  She turned to see what was going on. Both classes were getting into their lines, but everyone, including Bob, was bowing slightly. To her. Bob nodded, and she returned the bow.  Life started again. She was touched.   Bowing three times. Oath. Kata.  She was facing off with Judy as her partner.  Judy looked worried.   "Sometimes you just gotta pick yourself up and try again," Taylor told her. She nodded. "Let's do this."   Lunge punch and lower block.  They traded off like nothing had happened the last weekend.  Lunge punch and middle block. Lunge punch and upper block.  It was kind of like dancing. Taylor enjoyed it.  She wanted to learn more.  Brown-belt Maggie adjusted position of limbs and hips for both Taylor and Judy, telling them when she was about to do something: elbow up a bit".    "How'd you do?" Bob asked her later.  They had both gone home and showered. Now they were in a booth at a fast food place.   "I was kind of disappointed class ended. I was ready for more."   "That's my trooper."   "I'm not allowing you in my apartment until we are married," she said suddenly.   "You think I am a problem?"   "No.  I think you are safe. You passed the test  I am the problem here."   "Okay."   "What did the doctor tell you?"   "It's complicated.  More tests coming.  Like getting into college.  I got a letter back.  It seems there is this big fat M on my transcript and my current picture is not an M type picture.  I have to write a letter and send them notarized proofs and stuff. Just delays. This is a pain. Nothing cut and dried."   "I will say.  I'm glad I'm not transgender."   "Hah. You are pulled into my world.  You are involved in this stuff as much as I am, and, as you put it, of your own free will."   "You are worth it."   "I hope so."   "I know so."      
    • Abigail Genevieve
      On the way back to her desk she was interrupted by six short, urgent conversations that had to be attended to. Then she slipped into the women's room and locked the stall door.  She took a deep breath, then another, and allowed herself to shake for five minutes,  Then deep breathing, ten in and ten out, stretch up, touch the floor, neck rolls and she was fine. She used the toilet and a woman knocked and said, "Taylor, are you okay?"   "Ready to conquer the world!"  on her way out she found her makeup was fine.  Three stalls, two sinks.  If she ever designed a women's room with three stalls, there would be four sinks, with plenty of space to plunk your stuff down between them.   She met a deferential Karen.  "Here is the branding I came up with," she said.  And she went back to working as hard as Brenda and Mary, who looked up worriedly and then went back to the proposal.   Shortly before 5:00 she received an email with the title Consolidation and Compensation.  In it she learned that the position of office manager was eliminated, and the current office manager was to become the chief executive officer. The former CEO, along with the CFO, the chief legal officer, and sundry staff, had been terminated, per the Board of Directors.  Effective immediately everyone would receive a base salary of $20,000 with a commission to be set by the individual's supervisor.  Each supervisor would be given a certain percentage to distribute.  Most functions they had been handled would be outsourced as needed.   "The question of what profit was made last year is frequent enough to be answered.  The company lost over 500,000 in fiscal 2023.  At this point further cuts are not anticipated.  We will be strategically adding positions that will enhance our profits. Hard work is expected of everyone."   Her two web guys had been complaining because their games had been remotely uninstalled.  After the memo came out they were absolutely silent.  That gave her an idea, and after an exchange of emails they were reassigned to maintenance out at the plant, effective tomorrow morning.  There were lots of weeds that needed pulling, if nothing else. That email went out after they left early, for the day.  The maintenance foreman was a no-nonsense type who did not tolerate slacking, and they would learn a thing or two.  This also freed up two spaces for her to put new people.
    • MaeBe
      So…I didn’t know your Facebook avatar was public. So, on my birthday, a couple people used a group avatar message to wish me a happy birthday…and now my Facebook friends can see a short video of my female avatar dancing with an old friend’s and another with my uncle’s avatars. So am I “Facebook out” now? 😬
    • Davie
      No, they are not. Truth wins in the end and this report is full of lies that poison the whole thing: see this: "Dr. Cass Backpedals From Review: HRT, Blockers Should Be Made Available it's said. Dr. Cass's latest statements are likely to cast more doubt on the validity of the study, which has come under fire for disregarding substantial evidence on trans care." https://www.erininthemorning.com/p/dr-cass-backpedals-from-review-hrt?publication_id=994764&post_id=143743897&isFreemail=true&r=rebf4&triedRedirect=true I hope Dr. Cass wins The Mengele Award for it.
    • Adrianna Danielle
      Boyfriend and I went to a support group for spouses dating or married to a transgender person on Tuesday night for the first time.It was amazing meeting other couples like us.One was a genetic woman whom has been dating a transgender male for the first time and she is supporting his transition.Us,they were amazed by us agreeing on something we said,love and acceptance have brought us together
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