Healthcare Reform Passed

[Guest Jessica22450]

Yes it's true the house has passed HR 3962 soon it will be signed and the US WILL have Universal Healthcare

[Guest Natalie92]

Sorry to burst your bubble, but the Senate still has to vote on ITS Bill, which is completely different. Then the House and Senate have to merge the 2 bills into one, so that they can pass it through BOTH Houses. It takes time.

Natalie Alexis

[Guest April63]

Universal health care is baaad business. It will run this country into the ground. We're already over $11 trillion in debt. Health care will just increase that big time and mess up the health care system more. Listen to the British! The National Health Service doesn't work! Why would ours?

[Guest Jessica22450]

April either way you look at it, the house is mostly democrats, the senate is mostly democrats, so...the end result is still universal healthcare. Anyway I kinda figured this kind of thing was coming and it is.

[Guest Jessica22450]

Oops sorry about the above post meant natalie lol typed to fast..

[Guest April63]

That doesn't mean it will get passed. Not every democrat is for it. That's why it hasn't been passed yet.

[Guest Natalie92]

April either way you look at it, the house is mostly democrats, the senate is mostly democrats, so...the end result is still universal healthcare. Anyway I kinda figured this kind of thing was coming and it is.

Umm...they support REFORM but not universal heathcare. And even if 51 of them DID, you'd be amazed at how long it takes to vote on something when a Senator brings out the phonebook, and READS it out loud when it's their turn to speak.

[Guest ~Brenda~]

There is quite a ways before this becomes law, but things are progressing.

Regardless of point of view, the current healthcare system is archaic and is not working for most Americans.

For universal heath care to even be debated is a reflection that our current healthcare system needs re-examination.

I have always been baffled by the fact that the most advanced society in the history of mankind has one of the poorest healthcare systems currently on the planet. Clearly, change is necessary. I think the fundamental flaw in our healthcare system is that it is considered a business. From that point of view it is the same as selling tires. Healthcare is not the same as selling tires, simply because no lives are at stake selling tires. Fundamentally, the earmarks of a truely advanced culture is how that society takes care of it's sick. Americans are lagging behind in this area.

I look forward to change.

Brenda

[Guest Jessica22450]

Heres the thing I want to know though, If our gov't are the ones who have run us into the ground, how can we even trust them with 1/6 of our economy? Healthcare is one of the biggest parts of it...Also another thing that bothers me is will we be covered, does being MTF or FTM count as pre-existing condition like cerebral palsy or autism is considered pre-existing? and this 'Public option' really doesn't make me feel better i'm not going to run to an NHS when the private insurance companies won't help me.

[Guest April63]

There is quite a ways before this becomes law, but things are progressing.

Regardless of point of view, the current healthcare system is archaic and is not working for most Americans.

For universal heath care to even be debated is a reflection that our current healthcare system needs re-examination.

I have always been baffled by the fact that the most advanced society in the history of mankind has one of the poorest healthcare systems currently on the planet. Clearly, change is necessary. I think the fundamental flaw in our healthcare system is that it is considered a business. From that point of view it is the same as selling tires. Healthcare is not the same as selling tires, simply because no lives are at stake selling tires. Fundamentally, the earmarks of a truely advanced culture is how that society takes care of it's sick. Americans are lagging behind in this area.

I look forward to change.

Brenda

I'm not really baffled. Our advancement in technology really doesn't have anything to do with a health care system. In fact, a poorer health care system could actually be the cause of a propelled society. Many slave systems through out history made exhausted slaves when they were the strongest. This was when they were the productive. When they got sick or weak, they were quickly killed off. It's not nice at all, but it was cheap and productive, which was what the slave owners wanted. So perhaps, one of the factors in our society is related to a poorer health care system because it is cheaper and allows for more work to be performed when the workers are in their healthier stages of life.

Note: I'm not saying that's how it should be, that's just a possible reason for how it is.

As for health care being a business... do you expect the doctors to do their work for free? Money has to be involved somewhere.

[Guest Anna_Banana]

Universal health care is baaad business. It will run this country into the ground. We're already over $11 trillion in debt. Health care will just increase that big time and mess up the health care system more. Listen to the British! The National Health Service doesn't work! Why would ours?

My English and Irish friends say differently. The only people who should truly fear universal health care are the right-wing big business supporters.

[Guest ChalenAustin]

Why is that Anna?

[Guest NatalieRene]

Universal health care is baaad business. It will run this country into the ground. We're already over $11 trillion in debt. Health care will just increase that big time and mess up the health care system more. Listen to the British! The National Health Service doesn't work! Why would ours?

Well for one they could use it to slide in laws that help prevent so many unneeded malpractice lawsuits.

I doubt that universal health care is going to send our country spiraling into an abyss. The only people hurt and I use that term loosely is the ceo's of health insurance who make hundreds of millions a year. Besides it doesn't replace private healthcare, you can still get private healthcare but now private healthcare will actually have to stop screwing their customers over with ridiculous excuses why they won't pay a claim and yet they are not in bad faith to insure that they keep getting paid. It's about time because healthcare companies are crooks.

[Guest ChloëC]

um, I don't think we will have real 'Universal' health care. There is no public option, so people who work for low paying jobs (or no jobs) at companies that are not required to offer health care, still won't have it. That's why there is a $750 a year fine for those who don't join up.

The Senate still has to pass their version and the biggest problem is not the 51+ majority either side can muster, it's called a filibuster, and it takes 60 votes to prevent that, and the current Democrats have a very shakey hold on that. If they lose the seat in Massachusetts which they might, they won't have it, and the Republicans can filibuster (i.e.talk)health care to death.

And (so-called) Universal Health Care is not the greatest thing since sliced bread or the end of cvilization as we know it. It's like Social Security in 1933, the Voting Rights Act of 1965. There will be changes, but most people won't really notice unless they listen to too many fanatic talk show hosts who complain about everything.

And yes, our taxes and expenses will probably go up. Why, mortgage interest rates may actually go up to 5%!!!!!! How terrible. That's the problem living in a country where the expectation of entitlements is huge. I want lower taxes, but I also want affordable health care, a strong military, all criminals locked up in jails, 20 foot walls along all our borders, cable TV in every home, cheap IPhones. And make the rich (or poor, take your pick) pay more, definitely not me.

Too bad life doesn't seem to work that way, isn't it.

<sigh>

Chloë

[Guest ChalenAustin]

Then why are people against Obama's plan?

[Sally]

The best possible health care system was developed in ancient China where one member of a village was the 'doctor' and this person did not grow rice, raise chickens or goats merely studied the effects of herbs on how the body works and passed their knowledge down from generation to generation.

They survived because when the villagers were well each contributed a share toward feeding the doctor and maintaining the house, etc.

When some one was ill they did not pay the doctor until they were well again.

What is the incentive to cure someone when hospitalization is expensive for insurance companies and drug manufacturing is such a big business - it is in the best interest of the insurance companies for the sick to just die and for the drug manufacturers to keep them sick and needing more while the Chinese village doctor needed all of the villagers healthy and productive.

No plan anywhere addresses the fact that business sees us as numbers only.

Love ya,

Sally

[Guest NatalieRene]

The best possible health care system was developed in ancient China where one member of a village was the 'doctor' and this person did not grow rice, raise chickens or goats merely studied the effects of herbs on how the body works and passed their knowledge down from generation to generation.

They survived because when the villagers were well each contributed a share toward feeding the doctor and maintaining the house, etc.

When some one was ill they did not pay the doctor until they were well again.

What is the incentive to cure someone when hospitalization is expensive for insurance companies and drug manufacturing is such a big business - it is in the best interest of the insurance companies for the sick to just die and for the drug manufacturers to keep them sick and needing more while the Chinese village doctor needed all of the villagers healthy and productive.

No plan anywhere addresses the fact that business sees us as numbers only.

Love ya,

Sally

I would be all for a system like this Chinese one you talked about. =)

[Guest Jean Davis]

Ok , I gotta add my $.02 in on this

The only way that any type of health care reform is going to work is if the government places pricing caps on everything and everyone across the board. The whole problem that we are facing is that too many people in the medical industry (and yes I mean industry, because if you think that these people that are making the large quantities of money are worried about our health you need to take a closer look at things) are getting to greedy. Lets face it there is no reason to have a $100 or above price on a handful of pills that take $1 per 1000 to produce including research costs. Also there is no reason for a doctor to get over $100 per 15 minuites of their time to ge a diagnosis that in most cases is wrong and you need to get a second opinion on. Then if the two opinions that don't match you need a third just to figure out which one is closer to to solution. If that isn't a waste of time and money I don't know what is. Every other business in the world give out free estimates, the doctors we go to see are suppose to be professionals and should know what their doing.

My other thought is that the government should shorten the time the pharmaceutical companies have the rights to their medicine so other companies can start producing them faster. Also make available more free grants for medical training, flood the market with qualified medical professionals. It's all a game of supply and demand if the supply is high and the demand is lower the price will drop accross the board.

Well, I'm just glad to get that off of my chest.

If anything just consider it blowing off a little steam.

LUV

Jean