Soy Products

[Guest Nikki A]

ok, i heard recently from a friend that he read that some soy products contain high estrogen levels, and that in some cases have actually caused some form of breast development in men! makes me want to switch what i drink!! XD

does anyone else know about this at all?

and i am in no way saying that im going to drink soy milk instead of hormones!! i was just interested

[Guest Donna Jean]

HUMMmmmmmm.......

Someone else had posted on this same topic some time back and I researched soy and estrogen....

I told them that one would have to drink 500 glasses of soy milk to get any estrogen effects at all....

So, that would be 25-30 gallons of soy milk a day......LOL

Not doable...

Dee Jay

[Guest viv]

Hi Nikki,

I was very recently looking at a sight re Estrogen"s in food , cant remember the sight

but if you google estrogen in foodstuff"s you will get a trail to follow. All animal meat, all

dairy products , apples (yep) and so much more , btw, pears are an anti estrogen, look

it up hun, you will be amazed. luv,viv

[Guest MrAwesome]

Anti-estrogen? as in it could decrease estrogen or something like that? *goes out and buys a couple bags of pears* ;P

[Guest Donna Jean]

Yes......Viv, you're totally correct...

Our environment is, unfortunately, full of chemicals....

Farm animals are given hormones and steroids for growth and they get into our ground water and we end up getting them and we eat their meat, too...

Some hormones occour naturally like in soy....but the ammount is so low that it's not even worth mention...

FYI ...licorice contains some estrogens, too....but, the Chinese warriors of old would eat it before battle...you didn't see them being very girly...

And, no...you won't grow boobs on licorice, either....

Stay with the safe and proven estrogens that are given under a doctors care...you'll LOVE the results and be safe at the same time...

OK??

Love

Donna Jean

[Guest Robin Winter]

I would like to say though...that NesQuik + Soy Milk = omgyummy!

I dunno why though, I can't stand soy milk any other way.

[Guest Pól]

Even if you could drink 25-30 gallons of soy milk in a day (which is insane to begin with), I dunno if you'd get any effect at all without a strong anti-androgen. Even if there are natural anti-androgens, you'd probably have to consume a comparable amount of, say, apples (I'm not saying apples are anti-androgens. I'm just using apples as a random example of food). If you drank that much soy milk every day and ate that many, say, apples, you'd make yourself sick. In order to get a prescribed anti-androgen, I'd imagine you'd have to jump through similar hoops to what you'd need to do to get estrogen to begin with.

Just sounds like a complete waste of money and effort, to me. Can you imagine how much that much soy milk would cost?

[Guest foxy]

that's a hole lot of milk you would have to drink....wouldn't go delving into the hole what has estrogen and such or you might find out some things you never wished you knew, like how they get the chemicals for some of the pills/patches/injections we take. really is quite unsettiling when you find out

[Guest ~Brenda~]

Hi Nikki,

Soy as a source of estrogen is not a good idea. The amount of soy one would need to intake would make soy toxic to your body. Please don't go down this path.

Please adhere to the Standards of Care specified by the wpath organization.

Love

Brenda

[Guest Donna Jean]

that's a hole lot of milk you would have to drink....wouldn't go delving into the hole what has estrogen and such or you might find out some things you never wished you knew, like how they get the chemicals for some of the pills/patches/injections we take. really is quite unsettiling when you find out

I don't think that we want to go there, Foxy......

Some of us haven't taken our hormones yet today......

Thx.........

Donna Jean

[Guest Joanna Phipps]

25 gal of milk, Ghods you would drown before getting enough to make any changes. Not a wise course of action. Death by soy milk doesnt sound like good way to go

[Guest Robin Winter]

25 gal of milk, Ghods you would drown before getting enough to make any changes. Not a wise course of action. Death by soy milk doesnt sound like good way to go

Would cost more than the funeral

[Guest Donna Jean]

And....you'd need a giagundus container of NesQuick!.

DANG!

Let's all be safe and do it right....OK?

LOVE

Donna Jean

[Guest viv]

Oh sure thing Donna Jean, I could not agree more. Only route to hrt is through

your Doctor, any other way is foolhardy. I dont get to see my endo for months

and thats the way it is ,,,the right way is the only way and yes, I have read also,

the amount of hormone in plant and animal is ...well, microscopically small. viv

[Guest Elizabeth K]

Girls!

GIVE IT UP!

I tried every SOY product I could find for 35 years.

THEY DO NOT WORK

Lizzy

[Sally]

Just so you understand the trace amounts of Estrogen in foods - I'll make it a little more visual.

To obtain the full benefits of HRT one needs to be on it for well over a year.

If you ate only foods rich in Estrogen and drank only Soy Milk continuously for a month you would have roughly the equivalent of about three days of HRT!

So 10 months of overeating has landed you 1 month of HRT so 10 years later you will have gotten a portion of the benefits because you had nothing to block the Testosterone.

And the cost of so much fresh produce - you could have paid for your SRS by then!

So being 58, I would achieve my desired result in about 20 to 25 years - I had better find a new surgeon, these will all be retired by then.

It is so much easier, quicker, cheaper and safer to do it the right way.

Nothing in life is easy but some things are worth working for.

Love ya,

Sally

[Guest Lizzie McTrucker]

I say if you're already on a Doctor approved and monitored HRT, go ahead and have a little tofu now and then! Every little bit helps, no matter how minuscule. Plus you're getting an alternate and natural source of estrogen and if that makes you feel a little more female or you swear that created a little extra growth in your bosom then so be it!

[Guest Nikki A]

Just so you understand the trace amounts of Estrogen in foods - I'll make it a little more visual.

To obtain the full benefits of HRT one needs to be on it for well over a year.

If you ate only foods rich in Estrogen and drank only Soy Milk continuously for a month you would have roughly the equivalent of about three days of HRT!

So 10 months of overeating has landed you 1 month of HRT so 10 years later you will have gotten a portion of the benefits because you had nothing to block the Testosterone.

And the cost of so much fresh produce - you could have paid for your SRS by then!

So being 58, I would achieve my desired result in about 20 to 25 years - I had better find a new surgeon, these will all be retired by then.

It is so much easier, quicker, cheaper and safer to do it the right way.

Nothing in life is easy but some things are worth working for.

Love ya,

Sally

Ya IK, i just thought it was neat! and maybe i want my transition to take a ludicrous amount of time! (i don't XD) and i like soy mild anyway, so i thought of it as a bonus!

Hugs, Nikki

(i kinda want to look up all the chemicals in the food i eat now *ponders to herself*)

[Guest praisedbeherhooves]

ok, i heard recently from a friend that he read that some soy products contain high estrogen levels, and that in some cases have actually caused some form of breast development in men! makes me want to switch what i drink!! XD

does anyone else know about this at all?

and i am in no way saying that im going to drink soy milk instead of hormones!! i was just interested

After I found out about this a while ago I was very concerned because I am primarily male identified and vegan except for honey. I was happy to find out that the amount of estrogen in soy is so low that I would have to intake massive amounts of it daily. So, sorry, drinking soy milk won't do anything because the amount it will take to get results will make you pretty badly overweight. However, I encourage you to switch to soy milk for your health in general. If fortified it is actually healthier than regular milk. Milk also, like most animal products, causes quite a toll on the environment. Cows produce a great deal of waste. Not to mention the appalling conditions that those cows live in!