Getting Along?

[Guest ChalenAustin]

To transgendered people and intersex people generally get along?

I mean who's to say we're not one and the same anyways....? Questions questions.

[Guest ~Brenda~]

Well Chal

I think Laura's is a testament to the fact that we do indeed get along

Love

Brenda

[Guest Donna Jean]

Oh yeah...what Brenda said!

We not only co-exist, but, we flourish...by supporting, loving and caring for each other...

It does work!

Huggs!

Donna Jean

[Sally]

I have never understood why there should be any friction between anyone in the whole transgender spectrum.

Just because FTM and MTF are heading opposite directions it has nothing at all to do with the struggles and the feelings - the same for the cross dressers and androgynous so why not the intersexed - we all have the same difficult paths to travel some going each way and some staying near one spot but all just outside of society's ability to accept as normal.

We are all brothers, sisters and all of the shades in between so why fight?

I love you all,

Sally

[Guest i is Sam :-)]

Well it's strange, I mean I love my brothers here just as much as I do my sisters, and I totally understand what they're going through. But I still don't totally get it, I mean I know that being a man is perfectly fine maybe even desireable to 50% of the population, but seriously? a man? why would you wanna be one of those? snips and snails and puppy dog's tails. you know what I mean? I'm sure my bros feel the same way about us.

[Guest N. Jane]

Outside of this forum, NO!

Intersex people have a LOT of trans people claim to be IS and it makes them angry because so many IS conditions have serious heath aspects

[Guest ChalenAustin]

Nahh! Not all of us! Although I've treid the sister thing and- I guess I'm not cut out for it obviously!

I heard that we didn't get along with each somewhere's.

I understand intersex and transgender aren't exactly the same thing but if medical research can one day explain it then we would be kinda together anyways?

At least that's how I figure it!

Every time I log on it's coming home to more and more family,

Thank you everybody in my new broad family

Chalen

[Guest Nikki A]

I have never understood why there should be any friction between anyone in the whole transgender spectrum.

Just because FTM and MTF are heading opposite directions it has nothing at all to do with the struggles and the feelings - the same for the cross dressers and androgynous so why not the intersexed - we all have the same difficult paths to travel some going each way and some staying near one spot but all just outside of society's ability to accept as normal.

We are all brothers, sisters and all of the shades in between so why fight?

I love you all,

Sally

i used to very much agree with this, and it is fairly true. but i have noticed friction, the reason behind the friction is that just because i am transexual and you are transexual doesnt mean that we have anything else in common. i have had quite a few issues with some of the ts individuals at my school because i ask if they would like to come over and hang out. but we really have nothing in common so it can get kinda frustrating.

that isnt an issue in places like this tho! it is real life friction

which i just realized sounds dirty

sorry!!

hugs, Nikki

[Guest Elizabeth K]

Just an opinion or two (what a surprise!)

Gender dysphoria is a strange collection of conditions, I mean I never knew how complicated until I got to Laura's. I suppose there is a pretty good connection between the different 'conditions' - the CD, transpeople, androgynous, pan-sex, intersexed and others (complicated - if you do the research- you will see). The connection is gender identity - not sexual identitiy. That is my take on it.

BUT

Not many cross-dresser's at Lauras and that is statistically the largest group - approximately 1000 to 1 compared to transpeople. There are reasons for this - and I suppose that is a stand alone topic of its own. It's just that CDer tend to be semi-secure in their invironment. Only those who want to research their need to be "feminine', tend to come her. I suspect they find they are intested in being feminine in an episodic manner. We trans-women (note- CDers are usually identified as natal males) cross-dress because we are expressing our 'femaleness.' Thaaat's my opinion only - no real research on this.

Tons of trans-people here. MTF and FTM? I find this almost identical in the basic condition - though of course its two different directions. I hear MTF say 'why would any female want to be a man! My opinion? The same goes with FTM asking 'why would any natal male want to be a woman?" So titt-for tat (no pun intended - grin). So the MTF and FTM? I think we understand each other.

Androgynous? All the other definituions? I just say - neither female nor male. OR - BOTH female and male. I see both tendancies. My opinion? It took me a while to understand that I was really thinking 'binary' - I now recognize there is EVERTHING! This is a gender dysphoria? I suggest it is more a refusal to be labeled.

And the INTERSEXED! Gosh it took me a while to see what that is! Why is this condition is in the gender dysphoria condition? - I could not understand at first. Then I realized that not all intersexed are gender dysphoric, because they are okay in their own skin. This is a lesson we all need to learn - to be comfortable in our own skin.

WE ARE WHAT WE ARE

BUT

My opinion? Intersexed are often mis-diagnosed and in the past have been 'forced' into a binary system. It seems there was a 50-50 chance the medical profession got it right? NO - worse than that - the medical profeesion often faqils to take int consideration the person's identity of self. Why can't an intersexed person just be allowed to be what they are? SO the intersexed are here becaused they were forced in a wrong direction for them.

FINALLY! Lizzy - sum it up! I read in the literature - transpeople often suggest they might be intersexed. The truly diagnosed intersexed rightlully resent an intrusion into what is definately a condition with its own medical risks!

But here at Laura's? We talk and explain, and vent, and compare notes! We are all brothers and sisters, or brother/sisters or... neither! But people who love one another! What a place to be!

Opinions by Lizzy!

Brought to you by a non-binary definition of existance - BE WHO YOU ARE! - ummmm..... not the Army's slogan exactly

[Guest ChalenAustin]

I think I'm starting to get it now.

I was wondering lately if they could "prove" why transgendered people feel the way they do it would be in some sort of biology difference meaning physical that I figured doctors would say is a sex (part of the body) that was "off" or "wrong" that just makes us think we're are the other gender therefore they would consider it some kind of intersex condition that's much harder to find b/c it's not in the outside and probably in the brain. (according to them)

My head is spinning already!

At least we all get along here!

And I know better than to put intersex down anywhere's to hide the ts. (never did it, just sayin')

Thanks for going so in depth Elizabeth K!

Got some research to do.....

[Guest Elizabeth K]

I think I'm starting to get it now.

I was wondering lately if they could "prove" why transgendered people feel the way they do it would be in some sort of biology difference meaning physical that I figured doctors would say is a sex (part of the body) that was "off" or "wrong" that just makes us think we're are the other gender therefore they would consider it some kind of intersex condition that's much harder to find b/c it's not in the outside and probably in the brain. (according to them)

My head is spinning already!

At least we all get along here!

And I know better than to put intersex down anywhere's to hide the ts. (never did it, just sayin')

Thanks for going so in depth Elizabeth K!

Got some research to do.....

Start by looking in Laura's - the home page. It explains a lot!

Lizzy

[Guest Joanna Phipps]

I am what I am, nature got it wrong.....

[Guest ChalenAustin]

Thanks everybody!

[Guest Paula :)]

I'm disappointed that I missed posting in this topic when it was, um, topical. I'm intersexed, and I have been discriminated against by the Transgender Support Association in my country. I really believed they were here to help everyone who has some kind of gender condition. I even volunteered my design services to them, because I believed my transition was relatively simple compared with a great many, but I was so very wrong. When work, uni and home commitments became increasingly difficult to manage, something had to break, and I could no longer offer my services (at no cost, in fact, the work was costing me some money) to the association. When I gave them two months notice to find a replacement, and offered to train said replacement and give them all of the electronic design files and sundries I had created, they threatened to cut off my treatment with the State Gender Clinic.

I was devastated! Then, I realised, that being intersexed, denying me medical treatment would be negligent at the very least, and had doubts the president of the association would be capable of convincing my specialists to deny me treatment.

In the long run, I was correct. They were basically empty threats. HOWEVER, I was mortified that they would potentially do something like this to someone else who may have a more severe reaction to a situation like this. Given I also do volunteer work for an LGBT youth support group, as does my partner, we know an awful lot of young people who, if threatened in this manner, may think they have no other options and do something to harm themselves. At worse, it could result in someone taking their own life.

As we all are well too aware, being trans, or intersexed, is no bed of roses in most western societies. Unfortunately, a great proportion of our society is far less supportive than Laura's. And some trans people begrudge intersexed people. Makes no sense whatsoever in my world.

[Sally]

Paula,

That makes no sense in my world either.

Did you send a letter to the group informing them of the possible consequences of threatening members in that manner - the membership needs to know that there is such a dangerous practice going on.

You are so right about what someone in a terrible state of mind can do to themselves and this is just unacceptable from any support group - that is like the suicide hot line hanging up on you.

We are all totally different and unique individuals with only the gender issues bringing us here - but here that one commonality allows us to talk to others like ourselves and learn about the many variations of gender and from those conversations comes support, friendships and even love for people that we will probably never meet but will carry forever in our hearts.

I don't really want us to become like the rest of society - they have enough hate and prejudice to cover this planet already - I want to know that there are other people who just don't want to hate.

Love ya,

Sally

[Guest Elizabeth K]

I'm disappointed that I missed posting in this topic when it was, um, topical. I'm intersexed, and I have been discriminated against by the Transgender Support Association in my country. I really believed they were here to help everyone who has some kind of gender condition. I even volunteered my design services to them, because I believed my transition was relatively simple compared with a great many, but I was so very wrong. When work, uni and home commitments became increasingly difficult to manage, something had to break, and I could no longer offer my services (at no cost, in fact, the work was costing me some money) to the association. When I gave them two months notice to find a replacement, and offered to train said replacement and give them all of the electronic design files and sundries I had created, they threatened to cut off my treatment with the State Gender Clinic.

I was devastated! Then, I realised, that being intersexed, denying me medical treatment would be negligent at the very least, and had doubts the president of the association would be capable of convincing my specialists to deny me treatment.

In the long run, I was correct. They were basically empty threats. HOWEVER, I was mortified that they would potentially do something like this to someone else who may have a more severe reaction to a situation like this. Given I also do volunteer work for an LGBT youth support group, as does my partner, we know an awful lot of young people who, if threatened in this manner, may think they have no other options and do something to harm themselves. At worse, it could result in someone taking their own life.

As we all are well too aware, being trans, or intersexed, is no bed of roses in most western societies. Unfortunately, a great proportion of our society is far less supportive than Laura's. And some trans people begrudge intersexed people. Makes no sense whatsoever in my world.

This saddens me! The way you are being treated is not right - but in my opinion? Take away the 'intresexed' and the 'transgendered' parts? You as a person should be treated with respect and with dignity. Therein lives the wrongness here.

Lizzy

[Guest ChalenAustin]

Beautifully writen/spoken Mis K