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Guest Lisa Wouldbe

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Guest Lisa Wouldbe

I'm 13 yr. old and just recently told my parents , I was a girl ! It was the last Wedsday of Jan. .My mom at some point call our pastor .

The following Sun .morning the Pastor started the sermon with :"One of the jobs of a pastor is to teach ,instruct and sometimes rebuke." Then started to talk about how the world accepts sin and how it is trying to creep into the church . Then he started with homosexuals ,saying its not a life style it's a sin style. God didn't create adam and steve ,it was adam and eve. Then he went on to say that there are those who want to change their sex to cover their guilty feel about having sex with their own sex .(I'm a virgin and real have no plans of changing that. I still have the dream of being a virgin bride .for my one and only) He told the congregation that we even have a young person that is being drawan away by this... If he repents we will love he him and help lead him back to the cross. He talk about verses in the bible that condemed wearing clothes of the oppsite sex and that it was an abomination unto the Lord and one about if a man had his testicles crushed or his peis cut off he was not allow in the congregation of the Lord . And he said no effeminie shall inheirit the kingdom of God .

As we were living the pastor said I hope you were help by that... I ran out I was crying I told my parents that I was never comming back . mom and dad got into a fight.

I felt like I was beat up and emotionaly raped from the pulpit. Now I felt like even God hated me.And my mother was crying because her son was going to hell for being this way.

That night I tried running away from home. But God really was with me . A post-op transexual woman found me and showed me what the streets had to offer and then took me home.I think maybe she was an angel there to guide me home!

Lisa Wouldbe

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Guest sarah f

I am very sorry you had to go through that. I would refuse to go back like you said. In your mom's own twisted way, this was a last ditch effort by her to see if she could change your mind. Don't let them get you down. I am glad you found or God found you through a post op trans girl to help you through this troubling time. Please stick with us and we will try to ease your mind. Unfortunately being your age, you still have to live with your mom. I am truly sorry for you.

Love,

Sarah F

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Guest ChloëC

Let me see if I get this straight

Jesus is taken to a 'dead' man, Lazarus. He asks Lazarus if he wants to repent and will he accept Jesus as God's son and Savior. Lazarus just lays there.

Jesus says "If he repented we would have loved him and helped lead him back to the cross, but he didn't, so sorry, folks, nothing more I can do here" And he leaves.

Right? Isn't that how it works?

Funny how little things like that get all changed around to prove a point the changer has absolutely no idea about. We will only 'love' you if you do exactly what we say. That is a pure corruption of the commandments, and nobody ever, ever questions it.

Love (and no strings attached)

Chloë

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Tell your pastor that he needs to read a bit more and find the passages that state that God is love and that we are all his children - Jesus the Christ (by the way if he has ever said Jesus Christ he is no Biblical scholar and you might point out to him that Christ is a title - anointed one - not a name) healed people of all races, religions and professions - he loved everyone no matter who they were - he even asked God to forgive the very people who were crucifying him because they did not know what they were doing - that does not say to me that if you aren't just the way your Pastor wants you to be you cannot get into heaven.

My God, the creator of the world and father of Jesus has room in his kingdom for everyone and there are no Pearly Gates because there are no walls - no one is excluded, you don't have to go there but it is your choice he is waiting for all of his children.

I am always saddened when I see the words of the Bible twisted into the message that they want - it is all too easy and when done from the pulpit many are swayed to the wrong conclusion.

Love ya,

Sally

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  • Root Admin

I'm sure this pastor is sitting on his oversized rump congratulating himself that in his smug self-rightousness he has brought a wandering sheep back into the fold. He evidently has forgotten that God's love is unconditional. He also seems to have forgotten that God knew you while you were still in your mothers womb and that he has made you a unique individual. God made you as he saw fit and it's not up to this charlatan to be saying that God made a mistake and that you are bound for hell fire and damnation because you are transgendered.

No where in the Bible is trangenderism mentioned. If it isn't there, how could it possibly be a sin. I'm sure this narrow minded pastor can't see past the end of his self-rightous nose of the damage he is causing.

Jesus preached a message of love and acceptance. That all who believe in him shall have ever lasting life. There were no strings attached. Jesus says to repent of your sins but transgenderism is not a sin. How could it be? This is not a lifestyle that you chose to have. This is something you were born with. How could you possibly repent of something that God made?

Lisa, if it's at all possible, I would refuse to go back to this church. You should not have to sit and listen to his hateful spewings. Above all, you should know that you are not going to hell because you are transgendered. It doesn't work that way.

Sorry for the rant. I have a problem with these pious self-rightous pastors twisting the Bible into their own narrow minded visions of what the Bible and Jesus teaches.

MaryEllen

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Lisa, being misinformed and ignorant is not a sin.

Acting on, or spreading misinformation and ignorance, is a sin in my book. That is exactly what your

Pastor did, hon.

When next you talk to your parents about it, ask them to do you a favor and read

up on the subject before they pass judgement on you. Ask them if they would feel you had sinned if

you had been born with a cleft palate, or had some other genetic malady that could be repaired with

therapy and medicine and surgery, and if they would deny that to you because God made you that way and you

have no right to fix it. Ask them if they would let you suffer just because you were born with a defect.

If the answer is no, and I expect it will be, then explain that being transgendered is something you were

born with, that you did NOT choose. The way to fix it is to bring your mind, soul and body into agreement

through medicine and possibly surgery. The way to be sure that this is what you are is to let you see a gender

therapist, so that all of you will know the truth.

I hope this helps, and I wish you well.

HUGS

Carolyn Marie

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Guest Lisa Wouldbe
I am very sorry you had to go through that. I would refuse to go back like you said. In your mom's own twisted way, this was a last ditch effort by her to see if she could change your mind. Don't let them get you down. I am glad you found or God found you through a post op trans girl to help you through this troubling time. Please stick with us and we will try to ease your mind. Unfortunately being your age, you still have to live with your mom. I am truly sorry for you.

Love,

Sarah F

Mama didn't understand what was going on . She turned to her source of spiritual help. I don't believe she was trying to use it to "change my mind". Since that Sunday We left that church and found a Methodist church that is accepting of me.

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Guest Lisa Wouldbe
Lisa, being misinformed and ignorant is not a sin.

Acting on, or spreading misinformation and ignorance, is a sin in my book. That is exactly what your

Pastor did, hon.

When next you talk to your parents about it, ask them to do you a favor and read

up on the subject before they pass judgement on you. Ask them if they would feel you had sinned if

you had been born with a cleft palate, or had some other genetic malady that could be repaired with

therapy and medicine and surgery, and if they would deny that to you because God made you that way and you

have no right to fix it. Ask them if they would let you suffer just because you were born with a defect.

If the answer is no, and I expect it will be, then explain that being transgendered is something you were

born with, that you did NOT choose. The way to fix it is to bring your mind, soul and body into agreement

through medicine and possibly surgery. The way to be sure that this is what you are is to let you see a gender

therapist, so that all of you will know the truth.

I hope this helps, and I wish you well.

HUGS

Carolyn Marie

Mama has real been supportive ever since the psychologist told her that I was a girl and that if she didn't take action to help me that she might end up not only losing a son but lose her daughter too. When he told her that 50% of us commit suicide ;that was enough for her to get me started on Androgen blocker and started with a genger therapist. God doesn't make mistakes but nature does . God gave me the soul and spirit of a female .but nature gave me the body of a male just as there are other birth defects in nature. I would rather live as God made me than live the way nature made me.

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Guest S. Chrissie
That night I tried running away from home. But God really was with me . A post-op transexual woman found me and showed me what the streets had to offer and then took me home.I think maybe she was an angel there to guide me home!

Now what's the chances of bumping into a post-op on a night when you got the idea of running away? God was indeed looking out for you!

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Guest Lisa Wouldbe

Please don't blame my parents .They are confussed about what is going on .They weren't out to hurt me;they were trying to help.

:mad: They were made victims of that pastor too. I know they are hurting too. I dropped a bomb on them .I wonder how :angry::angry: I would have reacted in their place if thing were reverse. I love my parents very very much. And I know that once they get use to the new me they will love Lisa too. Remember it was one man who attacked me and abused me from the pulpit. My parents made a big step and left the church they have been members for years . I just hope I can learn to forgive that pastor too .Not for him but for me !

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Guest TheAetherealMeadow

Wow, that is so horrible of the pastor. To call you out like that is very un-Christian if you ask me. Many of those bible verses are taken very out of context and the actual meaning behind them is much different than it seems. For example, in the verse that says the effeminate will not inherit the kingdom of God, the word that was translated to "effeminate" is actually a synonym for "greedy", since in their culture greediness was considered a feminine trait. For every seemingly anti-LGBT bible verse there are a lot of pro-LGBT bible verses (the romance between David and Jonathan being an example). However, it's easy for bigoted people to pick out what they want and twist them around and use it as an excuse for hatred. Don't let people like that bring you down!

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Guest Elizabeth K

God doesn't make mistakes but nature does . God gave me the soul and spirit of a female .but nature gave me the body of a male just as there are other birth defects in nature. I would rather live as God made me than live the way nature made me.

An almost perfect explaination!

Was there a typo? 31 instead of 13?

Lizzy

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Guest Michele H

I have no doubt that you were helped by an angel. God was able to turn the evil of the pastor to good by sending you an angel and created a situation where your parents looked for help and have you started on the right path.

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Guest Italic

Quoting, "He told the congregation that we even have a young person that is being drawn away by this... If he repents we will love he him and help lead him back to the cross."

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So preachers seem to be so heavenly minded that they appear to me to be of little earthly good. I would suggest that the minister may need to repent for telling the entire congregation something a parent told him or her in private.

It also sounds to me as if the minister exploited your struggle with gender for his own sermon-making gain.

Ms. Italic, the slanted font

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Guest Sarinah

Lisa you are a strong young girl, thank you for being strong and willing to be yourself. Thank you for being understanding for your parents even when they werent for you first. I am sure by what you have written that the Holy Spirit is working in your life and your parents life. Keep up the faith in God, and the faith in his love for you. No matter what hardship you may come across remember God's love for you and your family.

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Guest NatalieRene
I have no doubt that you were helped by an angel. God was able to turn the evil of the pastor to good by sending you an angel and created a situation where your parents looked for help and have you started on the right path.

I agree, thats exactly how God works. The only person is your ex-pastor if he doesn't repent. Twisting God's word and omitting things to suit your own purpose is sure fire way to end up in the lake of fire.

I am so glad that things worked out in the end.

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Guest p3ngu!n

:) . am i right on the "madea" influence??? lols. :D

i'm sorry that you had to go through that, my dads a pastor so things like that often happen. like, the other day he found a nail file and started yelling... i was like "a nail file doesn't make me evil" and he was like "its just SOO WRONG for boys to do that"... grrr....

i def. understand that situation.

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Guest Vicky

Oh, Lisa, dear, I am sorry that this happened to you. I experienced this so so many times in my previous church too. I was a friend of the pastor, so I knew many times what happened to the people, then I heard the sermon on sunday about that...It is terrible, especially when I was involved, I really didn't like it, he made me angry. But I always went to church and I always prayed for him that he will speak what God says, not what he hears from people.

You know, we are responsible toward God, not toward people. Jesus went to synagogue every saturday for God, not for people. He knew that the people with the same religion will kill him one day, but He went for God.

Keep your true faith, and talk by faith. If they hurt you, and it will happen, just pray for them, because they don't know what they are doing. Maybe later on, you need to find another church, or the pastor may learn to accept you. God loves you.

Huggs,

Lily

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Guest ametur_poet

I agree, thats exactly how God works. The only person is your ex-pastor if he doesn't repent. Twisting God's word and omitting things to suit your own purpose is sure fire way to end up in the lake of fire.

I am so glad that things worked out in the end.

Absolutely. Revelations 22:18: "I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this scroll: If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to that person the plagues described in this scroll."

I am ashamed that there are Christians who would rather prove a point than spread the truth of God's word. This is where all the stereotypes of Christianity come from; from the churches that are so blind by their own old ways that they refuse to show the love of God to anyone, especially those who need it most. I am certainly glad that churches like this are decreasing in number, and that more accepting Christian churches are increasing in number. I hope that you are successful in finding out more about yourself; I may be new at this forum, but I can already tell that the people here are civil, supportive, and kind.

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Guest littleboombox

It is an abuse of power for that pastor to call you out.

It happen to me several times when I was young and I even got exorcised and had the devil "beaten out of me" with a belt. Funny, huh? I myself am waiting to get out of home as soon as possible.

"And he said no effeminie shall inheirit the kingdom of God ."

I often considered many of the biblical virtues to be "feminine" because they emphasized gentleness and self control, which are associated with women. So I guess Jesus was an "effeminate" then. ANd I guess that many true, god-believing Christian men aren't going to heaven either because they held "effeminate virtues".

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I felt like I was beat up and emotionaly raped from the pulpit. Now I felt like even God hated me.And my mother was crying because her son was going to hell for being this way

You are in a cult.

I know you are young, so you probably don't know very much about history and how religion fits into the world. You are just going to have to trust me until you can research and learn about it for yourself.

Basically, religion is there to control you. To make you productive in society. Instead of police, they use brainwashing and "magic" to get you to behave as they want (such as no sex out of wedlock, it is less of a drain on society if a man is tied to the person they are married to for their children). Being gay means you aren't making babies (and no babies mean the cult won't be able to match the numbers of the other cults... society has been based on numbers for a very very long time. Having a big family used to be a VERY powerful thing.... the more children you have, the more power you have.)

Again, I know you probably won't understand / believe this.. but everything they are telling you is a lie (you can figure this all out over your lifetime as you learn more about history and facts, such as the "entire world flooding" or the age of the earth).

You are lucky, you have access to a HUGE amount of information with the internet. Ask questions (this is the most dangerous thing to a cult). Go searching for the answers. Read about religion... read about ALL the religions. Read how many there are...how many have been lost to time... how they are all similar and all claiming the same things (and all result in the same things, meaningless suffering and fighting).

So, don't let it bother you. If you listen to your church and family, you will have a very painful life... try to distance yourself from the cult and you will be much happier.

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"Many thanks, babe." "No problem, Big Guy." "Hey, I wanted to talk to you about exercise.  Karate in particular."  He pronounced it ka-ra-tay. "I am a second Dan black belt and there is a certain obligation there to teach other people." "Kara-tay? I don't know." "A friend of mine runs a dojo here and needs my help. He talked to me already.  Tuesday and Thursday night and Saturday mornings." "Oh.  So you will be there then." She looked disappointed. "I'm hoping you will be there." "Sounds dangerous.  But I could use the exercise." "And self-defense would be good. It might help." "It might. Huh.  Saturday morning?" "8 AM I need to be there. Classes run until noon. I don't need to be there the whole time." "Is there an intro class or anything?" "Yes. 10 to 11." "How about if I try that."  She was not very enthusiastic.  Punches and kicks and stuff.   Saturday morning they arrived together.  She wanted to watch the Green Belt class that met then just to see what she was in for. Sensei Mark came to the front of the room, before the big American and Japanese flags. Between them was a picture.  "I am honored to introduce to you Sensei Bob.  He is a second Dan black belt.  He has actually beaten me in tournaments.  I have known him through tournaments.  You will listen to him as you listen to me.   Sensei Bob, take the class. The two sensei bowed to each other.  Sensei Bob pointed out that Sensei Mark had beaten him, as well. Taylor was sort of standing against the back wall, scrunched up, a mouse in her crisp new beltless gi.  Her t-shirt was off white underneath it and she was hoping no one would notice. "I am Sensei Mark. You are Taylor." "Yes, sensei!" she stood at attention and shouted it. He laughed.  "This is not Cobra Kai and we are not in a Karate Kind movie.  You do that here only between bows.  Bob tells me you are a complete beginner." "That is an understatement." "Here, let me fix your gi."  She had it on a little incorrectly.  She drew back. "What's the matter?" "I am pretty touchy." "Okay.  Untie the straps in front and tie them the other way, like mine." "I don't have a belt." "There. That is right. You will get a belt after three months and passing tests on kata, kumite and karate knowledge." "I don't know what that is." "And we touch a lot here.  Not romantically. You see how Sensei Bob is going around and adjusting people's stances and arm locations." "Yes, I see that." No enthusiasm. "You are Sensei Bob's girl, right?" "Yes.  What is important to him is important to me, so here I am."  He wished her well and told her to go see Margie, who handled registration at the little table. "Hi, I heard about you." Margie began. "What does that mean?" "It means we treat everyone here with respect.  That was the wrong way to start." "I'll say. Try again." "Good morning. How can I help you?" "I want to register for the beginner class." "You are Taylor, right?" "Right." "Sensei Bob paid for your lesson today." He would. She gave name, address, age, height, weight, and they came to gender. Margie asked it twice. "Put down female." "The only other choice is male." "Then that is it." "Earlier I was thinking about tournaments, which are big here. The rules are that boys fight boys and girls fight girls - there are Men's and Women's Divisions.  I know you look like a woman, but they go by the birth certificate." This was awkward.  Really awkward.  Down at the other end of the room they were moving in unison when Bob said HAI!, turning, punching, kicking, etc. "I don't plan to go to tournaments.  One step at a time, shall we?" "Okay.  And I meant it when I said respect.  We bow to each other.  You will see. As a sign of honoring other people." Margie bowed slightly, sitting down.  Taylor returned the bow and smiled. The class moved into sparring, breaking into twos and practicing moves against each other.  Bob was moving among the pairs, adjusting positions of hands, hips, feet.  Taylor was unsure about someone touching her like that, her hips particularly.    The green belt class ended as new students came in for the beginners' class. Down at the other end the brown belt class began.  The room was large enough you could do two classes at the same time.   The other beginners, nervous, lined up at Margie's table.  People got into gis, the men in their big area and only woman in the little restroom that was for them.   Sensei Mark greeted them and showed them where to stand: on the little x's on the floor. He explained the School Code.  They would recite it at the beginning of class and they needed to memorize it for the white belt test, at which time they would, of course, receive a white belt. He explained some terms.    They warmed up with some basic, easy stretches.   They learned a kata called Taikyoku Shodan, involving blocks, punches and some movements. This was not bad.   She was now paired off with Judy.  Things were going well and this was not too bad. Judy was sixty years old and had been told to exercise by her doctor.  Taylor said her boyfriend was teaching the other class, which was impressive, and he wanted her involved.   "You remember the gedan barai - downward block?"  They did. Everyone showed him and he went around and made sure everyone had it down. "And the lunge punch?"  They did. "Now we are going to put them together. One of you will punch and the other block it. Okay?"   Taylor squared off against Judy.  Her heart was pounding.  She practiced her gedan barai as Judy practiced her lower lunge punch.  Then they faced each other. "Okay, first partner, lunge punch.  Second partner, lower block.  Slowly.  Go!" Taylor saw the punch coming at her, but instead of blocking it her eyes welled up with tears and she dropped to the floor, weeping uncontrollably. "Oh God, Oh, God, Oh God, make it stop, make it stop" she shouted to parties unseen. Fetal position, rocking back and forth. Crying hysterically. "I didn't go near her," Judy said, bewildered. "Taylor?"  this was Sensei Bob.  Both classes had stopped and were looking at her. She kept crying. "I am here, "Bob told her, not touching.  "Oh Bob you need a wife who can be a real woman to you. I am making you into a monk or something." And she continued crying at full volume. "You need someone better than me, someone who can give you kids." Everyone could hear this.  They were turning away, trying to pretend they could not hear this. "I need to get her out of here and take her." Bob said, and he and Mark bowed to each other. He scooped her up and she bawled into his shoulder.  She clung to him.  First hug ever. Death grip, more like it. "Judy, would you get her things?" "I did nothing," Judy said, and moved towards the restroom, stunned.  "Nothing." "I know what she was wearing," Margie said, and got them. "I've got a gym bag. It 's red and it says Roosters on it. Can you get it? Mark got it.  He accompanied them to the car.  Taylor was non-stop crying deeply, clinging to him for dear life. Mark unlocked the car and together they managed to pry Taylor off of him, even though it took both of them to do it.  She was in the car seat and they managed to buckle her in it. "I am going to take you to your apartment," he said. "No. Emergency room," she said. "Maybe the psych ward."  He didn't doubt it. She calmed down in a few minutes on the way. "Well, that was embarrassing." "Everyone remembers their first day of karate class." "Bob, what I love about you is your sense of humor." "I love everything about you." "Even this?" "Yes. Even this." She managed to walk into the ER.  They were both still in gis. "Karate accident?" "No. I am Taylor and I am a nut. I wear a gi all the time. I make my boyfriend wear one, too." "She had a triggered event.  She's had some difficult times." "I see. Do you you know are bleeding?" "No."  Her crotch was wet with blood and the blood was seeping down both legs. She was wheeled away. "Sir, please wait here." He did.  He had no legal right to see her right now. After a while a nurse came out and said he could come on  back. There she was in a hospital gown.  "Seems like old times." "yeah.  We gotta stop meeting like this." The nurse buzzed around and left them. "They are running tests." "I bet they are." "I got an MRI. On a Saturday morning, too."  First ever. "You rate.  But why?" "They figure some of the old scar tissue - you know, from the- from the past - ripped open and they need to see what is going on." "We know what is going on,"said a doctor, stepping in. He looked at her. "I am Doctor Michaels.  They called me in.  I just happened to be in the building and they wanted me to see this and take the case.  My specialty is Disorders of Sexual Development. But what I am seeing is little in the way of disorder.  Look at this." They looked at the image. "This is a perfectly ordinary uterus." "Uterus?" "Yes, your uterus." "What?" "That is not all.  This is a cervix, and this is a vagina." "It's blocked up." "Yes.  It looks like you had surgery to do exactly that when you were an infant.  They used to do that." "This is me?" "You." "Really?" "I imagine this takes some getting used to. "Can it be undone?" "Absolutely. I mean, I cannot guarantee it, but it is more than likely. I would like to run some tests." "And the bleeding?" "It looks like the hormones you have been taking have kicked of a regular monthly cycle. Then you did a whole bunch of exercise.  Not surprising." "What?" "I want you to come to my office next week for follow-up.  Have you ever had a genetic test of any sort?" "No." "Well, your testes - one looks at first glance more like an ovary." "Ovary. Can I have kids?" "Too soon to tell.  You look happy." She did.  "Bob, you look stunned." "I am." "Given what happened earlier today we want to keep you overnight for observation.  I understand you are a trauma victim and something triggered it." "I got a punch thrown at me in kara-tay class, is all. I am a wimp." "Well, I will let you two talk for a minute and they will come and get you shortly.  No bad news here." "They are coming to take me away, hah-hah, they are coming to take me away," Taylor chanted. "Bob, I am not done with kara-tay.  I want to at least finish a first class. I mean, you paid for it and I want you to get your money's worth." "I think I got that." "Kiss me, you fool,"  she said, and he did, with energy.        
    • April Marie
      These arrived in yesterday's mail. I'm out working in the yard today so just old clothes. I'm looking forward to wearing this t-shirt dress when the weather warms up a bit more.  
    • missyjo
      Ashley I've known busty girls who wore b nice bras tl work n such then like a sift sports bra to lounge or sleep in hugs
    • missyjo
      your nails b hair came wonderful  congratulations  enjoy
    • Willow
      The one thing about this position, if you want more hours just wait and be flexible.  I’m now working until 7:30 pm instead of 4:30.  
    • Ashley0616
      I hope your head cold goes away soon! Sorry you have to cut grass with that.   Love the new t-shirt   I love that one.    What Jeep would you want to get? That is awesome about your wife getting better!
    • Ashley0616
      Welcome Mattie! I would recommend the first step is finding a gender therapist and see if you are or aren't. Then one of the biggest steps if you are do you want to start hormone replacement therapy. The decision should be thought long and hard. There are irreversible effects. Looking forward to your next post! Take care!
    • Ashley0616
      Congratulations on being able to pick up a cancellation! I hope to hear more updates about your transition. 
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