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I was going to post this in Jenny4's wonderful topic, but although this is all realted, I didn't want to steal attenten away from her excellant essay - and she is age 14 going on 34!

WHEN challange with the literal interpretations of THE GOOD BOOK, ask if these people follow ALL the teachings.

Paraphrased from a topic on the Internet - 10 Ridiculous Sins:

Thou shalt kill anyone who works on Sunday. (Exodus 35:2)

Six days shall work be done, but on the seventh day there shall be to you an holy day, a sabbath of rest to the LORD: whosoever doeth work therein shall be put to death. Walmart workers, beware!

Women shalt not teach, nor hold authority positions over men. (1 Timothy 2:11-15) WAKE UP - Oprah! And I KNEW voting for Hilary was a sin!

Crippled people, dwarves, those with flat noses or damaged testicles must stay away from the altar. (Leviticus 21:18-20)

For whatsoever man he be that hath a blemish, he shall not approach [to offer the bread of his God]: a blind man, or a lame, or he that hath a flat nose, or any thing superfluous, Or a man that is brokenfooted, or brokenhanded, Or crookbackt, or a dwarf, or that hath a blemish in his eye, or be scurvy, or scabbed, or hath his stones broken; What if you are a crippled dwarfl with a flat nose and... NEVERMIND!

Thou shalt not boil a kid in its mother’s milk! (Exodus 23:19) MOTHERS! Don't eat your children!

Thou shalt not wear clothes of mixed fibers. (Leviticus 19:19)

thou shalt not sow thy field with mingled seed: neither shall a garment mingled of linen and woollen come upon thee. A major fashion faux pas?

A woman’s period is disgusting and unclean and anyone who comes near her is guilty of sin. (Reoccuring theme throughout)

If a man lies with a woman during her sickness and uncovers her nakedness, he has exposed her flow, and she has uncovered the flow of her blood. Both of them shall be cut off from their people. [...] If a woman has a discharge, and the discharge from her body is blood, she shall be set apart seven days; and whoever touches her shall be unclean until evening. [...etc...] And after 'evening" back to business as usual?

Thou shalt inflict corporal punishment on your children. (Proverbs 13-29) Child Molesters take heed! Use a 'rod' and its okay!

He that spareth his rod hateth his son: but he that loveth him chasteneth him betimes. [...] Foolishness is bound in the heart of a child; but the rod of correction shall drive it far from him. [...] Withhold not correction from the child: for if thou beatest him with the rod, he shall not die. Thou shalt beat him with the rod, and shalt deliver his soul from hell.

Thou shalt not be disrespectful to thy parents, lest ye be killed. (Leviticus 20:9)

For every one that curseth his father or his mother shall be surely put to death: he hath cursed his father or his mother; his blood shall be upon him. Errrr.... Ooops, sorry Dad, sorry Mom - just kidding!

Thou shalt not eat pork, shrimp, lobster, or any shellfish. (Leviticus 11:7-12) Long John Silver's must be fire bombed (I mean besides the terrible quality of food?)

And the swine, though he divide the hoof, and be clovenfooted, yet he cheweth not the cud; he is unclean to you. [...] And all that have not fins and scales in the seas, and in the rivers, of all that move in the waters, and of any living thing which is in the waters, they shall be an abomination unto you: [...] Whatsoever hath no fins nor scales in the waters, that shall be an abomination unto you.

I Thou shalt not be a [what does this specifically mean?]l (Leviticus 18:22)

Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination. Does that include us? donno

So there you go! Much more in the Bible - It sometimes says one thing one place, and something else in another place. So you have you choice...

Lizzy

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Guest Evan_J

And they ask me why I love Lizzy :wub::wub:

This is the thing, (and actually its why I can appreciate people like Eth, like Jendar (who's seen her lately? Jen I love you!) like a bunch of other folks. Being Christian for me does not mean I am unable to think. And it does not mean that I have a mind so that I can not use it and call that "God's will". And I don't think it should mean that for anyone. The fact of the matter is that the bible is a compiled work, put together in retrospect out of a lot of completely separate writings by innummerable people from vastly different locations , cultures, and time periods. It is not presented "chronologically". Maccabees was not written before Ezekiel necessarily even though they appear that way in the work. That is true of the entirety of the bible. The order of the books, which books, and even the placement passages within each book was determined through votes of persons who deemed themselves or another person as in a position to do so . It happened not once or twice, but hundreds of times since the inception of whatever was the original canon of the bible. Its why these books are not any longer part of the canon:

Book of the Wars of the Lord, Book of Jasher, Book of the Covenant, Book of Nathan, Book of Gad, Book of Samuel, Prophecy of Ahijah, Visions of Iddo, Acts of Uzziah, Acts of Solomon, Three Thousand Proverbs of Solomon, A Thousand and Five Songs of Solomon, Chronicles of the Kings of Judah, Chronicles of the Kings of Israel, Book of Jehu, Book of Enoch.

-and how many peeps in the audience have ever heard of any of those? ALL of them were referred to in the old testament. NONE of them are a part of the "current" bible because they were voted out at different points in history by priests, clerics, bishops, rabbis , whoever because of a) tenants and creeds particular to sects, cultures , and time periods b ) political determination c ) whether or not they lent themselves to the amount or type of control desired over the people d ) any one of a list of other motives too long to name.

Books found in some of the older manuscripts of the New Testament, are Shepherd of Hermas, Epistle of Barnabas, 1 Clement, 2 Clement, Paul’s Epistle to Laodiceans, Apostolic Constitutions.

Other gospels (that is a written accounting of the time of Christ) removed/omitted from the bible ? Thomas, Jade, James, Peter, and the Gospel of the Hebrews, of the Egyptians, of Perfection, of Judas, of Thaddeus, of the Infancy, of the Preaching of Peter, of the Shepherd of Hermas, the Epistle of Barnabas, the Pastor of Hermas, the Revelation of Peter, the Revelation of Paul, the Epistle of Clement, the Epistle of Ignatius, the Gospel of Mary, the Gospel of Nicodemus and of Marcion.

New Testament Books which are now accepted by Christians, but which were for a time rejected, are Hebrews, James, 1 Peter, 2 Peter, 2 John, 3 John, Jude, Revelation.

Books accepted as canonical by some Jews, and for most part by the Greek and Roman Catholic churches, but rejected by the Protestants, are Baruch, Tobit, Judith, Book of Wisdom, Song of the Three Children, History of Susanna, Bel and the Dragon, Prayer of Manasseh, Ecclesiasticus, 1 Esdras, 2 Esdras, 1 Maccabees, 2 Maccabees, 3 Maccabees, 4 Maccabees, 5 Maccabees.

Of what IS presented as "the bible" much of what is condemned as "sin" and "abominaton" are often what is called "holiness codes". - Orders for those persons in that place and at that time among a given cultural group for persons endeavoring to become priests for that community. It doesn't even apply to laypersons. Thats particularly true of the command "not to dress in the garments " of the opposite sex.

The ONLY part of "the bible" entirely accepted in both christian and jewish quarters as "divine" is the first five books of the Old Testament. And it also is subject to time and wars. And even withstanding that, at the point where a person calls themselves a christian, they do so (we hope) remembering that Christ freed them from whatever "laws" the old testament held. That was the point. Remember ? :rolleyes:

REALIZE when you read the bible that you are reading fragments. Often arranged so as to seem continuous with the rest of what is around it. Time, wars, exiles, destruction, and yes just flat out conscious voting has left only that.

It is not to be approached "ignorantly" . With the notion that you are ingesting a culturally irrelevant, historically uninfluenced, correctly translated linguistically, or accurately ordered directively, tome.

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or hath his stones broken;

I would really like to know what that means! I hope it doesn't mean what I think it does. Ouch!

Seriously, though, this is an excellent post, Elizabeth. Aside from the rediculuous, it brings up the point that

Bible passages can be found that support, or appear to support, virtually any point of view, political or social

purpose, or evil. The Bible was used to justify slavery, the subjugation of women and native peoples, and

any war.

The best story I ever read on this subject is Mark Twain's "The War Prayer." I encourage all to read it.

Carolyn Marie

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Guest Elizabeth K
And they ask me why I love Lizzy :wub::wub:

This is the thing, (and actually its why I can appreciate people like Eth, like Jendar (who's seen her lately? Jen I love you!) like a bunch of other folks. Being Christian for me does not mean I am unable to think. And it does not mean that I have a mind so that I can not use it and call that "God's will". And I don't think it should mean that for anyone. The fact of the matter is that the bible is a compiled work, put together in retrospect out of a lot of completely separate writings by innummerable people from vastly different locations , cultures, and time periods. It is not presented "chronologically". Maccabees was not written before Ezekiel necessarily even though they appear that way in the work. That is true of the entirety of the bible. The order of the books, which books, and even the placement passages within each book was determined through votes of persons who deemed themselves or another person as in a position to do so . It happened not once or twice, but hundreds of times since the inception of whatever was the original canon of the bible. Its why these books are not any longer part of the canon:

Book of the Wars of the Lord, Book of Jasher, Book of the Covenant, Book of Nathan, Book of Gad, Book of Samuel, Prophecy of Ahijah, Visions of Iddo, Acts of Uzziah, Acts of Solomon, Three Thousand Proverbs of Solomon, A Thousand and Five Songs of Solomon, Chronicles of the Kings of Judah, Chronicles of the Kings of Israel, Book of Jehu, Book of Enoch.

-and how many peeps in the audience have ever heard of any of those? ALL of them were referred to in the old testament. NONE of them are a part of the "current" bible because they were voted out at different points in history by priests, clerics, bishops, rabbis , whoever because of a) tenants and creeds particular to sects, cultures , and time periods b ) political determination c ) whether or not they lent themselves to the amount or type of control desired over the people d ) any one of a list of other motives too long to name.

Other gospels (that is a written accounting of the time of Christ) removed/omitted from the bible ? Thomas, Jade, James, Peter, and the Gospel of the Hebrews, of the Egyptians, of Perfection, of Judas, of Thaddeus, of the Infancy, of the Preaching of Peter, of the Shepherd of Hermas, the Epistle of Barnabas, the Pastor of Hermas, the Revelation of Peter, the Revelation of Paul, the Epistle of Clement, the Epistle of Ignatius, the Gospel of Mary, the Gospel of Nicodemus and of Marcion.

Of what IS presented as "the bible" much of what is condemned as "sin" and "abominaton" are often what is called "holiness codes". - Orders for those persons in that place and at that time among a given cultural group for persons endeavoring to become priests for that community. It doesn't even apply to laypersons. Thats particularly true of the command "not to dress in the garments " of the opposite sex.

REALIZE when you read the bible that you are reading fragments. Often arranged so as to seem continuous with the rest of what is around it. Time, wars, exiles, destruction, and yes just flat out conscious voting has left only that.

It is not to be approached "ignorantly" . With the notion that you are ingesting a culturally irrelevant, historically uninfluenced, correctly translated linguistically, or accurately ordered directively, tome.

And they ask me why I love Evan: A beautiful addition to the original essay by Jenny4!

Those 'removed' gospels can be found in part today - look in the Chrisianity section of the larger book stores. The 'lost' books of the Old Testiment? I haven't serched for them - but when I was reading the old testiment and came upon the THIRD description of how to construct the Ark of the Covenant, and when I came upon the three page genealogies (even different ones on the same person) - and when I saw all the 'smite smite smite' of the ancient Israilites even on themselves - and that peculiar 'half tribe.' OH MY - maybe more should have been deleted (BLASPHAMY),

Actually - Even is talking more about the New Testiment 'Gospels." And yes - anything written by a woman, or influenced by a woman, was instantly axed (Two of the apostles in Da Venci's painting, The Last Supper, were probably women.)

It's a male Bible, supporting the position of a strong patriarchial world."

For a woman's point of view in the Bible, Joyce Mayers has a good book - but it too says women are meant to serve the needs of men.

Good work Evan - goooood work!

Lizzy

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Guest Donna Jean
Good work Evan - goooood work!

Lizzy

I totally agree, Lizzy.....

Your post and Evan's follow up was interesting reading and very, very well thought out from people that obviously know their bibles and biblical history...

And, even though it almost made my head explode, I read every word.

You two rock!

LOVE

Donna Jean

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Guest April63

I take the bible literally, but most of these ten sins are sins under the Law of Moses. The Law of Moses was fulfilled with Christ, and thus, we don't follow them anymore. Good to study, but not necessarily follow.

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Guest Elizabeth K
I take the bible literally, but most of these ten sins are sins under the Law of Moses. The Law of Moses was fulfilled with Christ, and thus, we don't follow them anymore. Good to study, but not necessarily follow.

April is good at this - and is essentially correct - and Jesus DID fuflill the Laws of Moses, the literal interpretation that the Pharasies and others were teaching in His Day. An example is the trap they laid for him because of his teachings on the sabbeth. He presented a perfect defence that had them twisted into a knot.

I don't know if we as transpeople can engage in detailed analysis of the intent of GOD in the words of the Bible. But we also cannot let the Bible wrongly be used as a weapon - it is too sacred for such uses. So our need is to see where the Bible is quoted in attacks from those parts that are no longer in effect, since the arrival of Jesus as Lord on this world, and this fulfillment. AMAZING the Grace that was extended!

I doubt most people using the Bible as a weapon will be able to understand, but technically this is a very good point. Thank you April.

Lizzy

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Guest Sarinah

All these verses are good examples of why context is sooo important... not just local context but global context as in Christ's fullfillment of the law, and the purpose of the law in the first place.

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Guest TracieV3

Most of those who preach against homosexuality and transgender issues don't even follow the Ten Commandments.

Nothing in the Ten Commandments states one way or the other on homosexuality, nor transgender issues.

But the Ten Commandments does have some things to say against murder, theft and lying (bearing false witness) about others. All three of which the organized religions have committed again and again for centuries.

The hypocrisy by those in organized religions is disgusting. And I am not just talking about hypocrisy in christianity, in some ways atheism and islam are even worse.

Personally, I am for displaying of the Ten Commandments any where possible. So, should I get into a situation where I am confronted by those hypocrites, I can point to those ten rules and chew them out for not following them. And is there is trouble, I will be armed.

Just some food for thought,

Tracie

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Guest KellyKat

Um... hey?

Where do they find their 'golden rule'?

Do unto others... Before they do unto you?

Seems like organized religion has always been geared to serving it's own porpose than serving the will of God.

Luv Kat :)

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Guest TracieV3
Um... hey?

Where do they find their 'golden rule'?

Do unto others... Before they do unto you?

Seems like organized religion has always been geared to serving it's own porpose than serving the will of God.

Luv Kat :)

True. Though, it is always fun to kick the hypocrites' self-righteous pedestals out from under them. And then shove the morality they choose to ignore, from the books they claim to quote, right down their throats.
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Guest Cayden
And they ask me why I love Lizzy :wub::wub:

This is the thing, (and actually its why I can appreciate people like Eth, like Jendar (who's seen her lately? Jen I love you!) like a bunch of other folks. Being Christian for me does not mean I am unable to think. And it does not mean that I have a mind so that I can not use it and call that "God's will". And I don't think it should mean that for anyone. The fact of the matter is that the bible is a compiled work, put together in retrospect out of a lot of completely separate writings by innummerable people from vastly different locations , cultures, and time periods. It is not presented "chronologically". Maccabees was not written before Ezekiel necessarily even though they appear that way in the work. That is true of the entirety of the bible. The order of the books, which books, and even the placement passages within each book was determined through votes of persons who deemed themselves or another person as in a position to do so . It happened not once or twice, but hundreds of times since the inception of whatever was the original canon of the bible. Its why these books are not any longer part of the canon:

Book of the Wars of the Lord, Book of Jasher, Book of the Covenant, Book of Nathan, Book of Gad, Book of Samuel, Prophecy of Ahijah, Visions of Iddo, Acts of Uzziah, Acts of Solomon, Three Thousand Proverbs of Solomon, A Thousand and Five Songs of Solomon, Chronicles of the Kings of Judah, Chronicles of the Kings of Israel, Book of Jehu, Book of Enoch.

-and how many peeps in the audience have ever heard of any of those? ALL of them were referred to in the old testament. NONE of them are a part of the "current" bible because they were voted out at different points in history by priests, clerics, bishops, rabbis , whoever because of a) tenants and creeds particular to sects, cultures , and time periods b ) political determination c ) whether or not they lent themselves to the amount or type of control desired over the people d ) any one of a list of other motives too long to name.

Books found in some of the older manuscripts of the New Testament, are Shepherd of Hermas, Epistle of Barnabas, 1 Clement, 2 Clement, Paul’s Epistle to Laodiceans, Apostolic Constitutions.

Other gospels (that is a written accounting of the time of Christ) removed/omitted from the bible ? Thomas, Jade, James, Peter, and the Gospel of the Hebrews, of the Egyptians, of Perfection, of Judas, of Thaddeus, of the Infancy, of the Preaching of Peter, of the Shepherd of Hermas, the Epistle of Barnabas, the Pastor of Hermas, the Revelation of Peter, the Revelation of Paul, the Epistle of Clement, the Epistle of Ignatius, the Gospel of Mary, the Gospel of Nicodemus and of Marcion.

New Testament Books which are now accepted by Christians, but which were for a time rejected, are Hebrews, James, 1 Peter, 2 Peter, 2 John, 3 John, Jude, Revelation.

Books accepted as canonical by some Jews, and for most part by the Greek and Roman Catholic churches, but rejected by the Protestants, are Baruch, Tobit, Judith, Book of Wisdom, Song of the Three Children, History of Susanna, Bel and the Dragon, Prayer of Manasseh, Ecclesiasticus, 1 Esdras, 2 Esdras, 1 Maccabees, 2 Maccabees, 3 Maccabees, 4 Maccabees, 5 Maccabees.

Of what IS presented as "the bible" much of what is condemned as "sin" and "abominaton" are often what is called "holiness codes". - Orders for those persons in that place and at that time among a given cultural group for persons endeavoring to become priests for that community. It doesn't even apply to laypersons. Thats particularly true of the command "not to dress in the garments " of the opposite sex.

The ONLY part of "the bible" entirely accepted in both christian and jewish quarters as "divine" is the first five books of the Old Testament. And it also is subject to time and wars. And even withstanding that, at the point where a person calls themselves a christian, they do so (we hope) remembering that Christ freed them from whatever "laws" the old testament held. That was the point. Remember ? :rolleyes:

REALIZE when you read the bible that you are reading fragments. Often arranged so as to seem continuous with the rest of what is around it. Time, wars, exiles, destruction, and yes just flat out conscious voting has left only that.

It is not to be approached "ignorantly" . With the notion that you are ingesting a culturally irrelevant, historically uninfluenced, correctly translated linguistically, or accurately ordered directively, tome.

That is why I bought a bible that is circa 1612 so I could have as many parts possible... I know mine is still missing some but (to me) it is better than any updated version out today.

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That is why I bought a bible that is circa 1612 so I could have as many parts possible... I know mine is still missing some but (to me) it is better than any updated version out today.

I use the King James Version. Some of the newer translations can be very different. Sometimes they even delete verses! Try to find Acts 8:37 in the New International Version! You'll find that it goes from verse 36 straight to verse 38! No 37!

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Guest Anna_Banana
That is why I bought a bible that is circa 1612 so I could have as many parts possible... I know mine is still missing some but (to me) it is better than any updated version out today.

I'll assume this is a joke because one could not possibly afford an authentic Bible circa 1612. Besides, if you want real Biblical authenticity, you need to get the original Hebrew, or at the very least, earliest Greek translation.

.Anna

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Guest Genie

The reason why some verses are taken out and reworded is because some of the verses were made up to keep the context. Nothing doctrinal was changed and the comments left by translators of the KJV stating why are publicly accessible. All translated versions have their short coming and advantages, but none of the doctrine is altered (for most versions).

It's best to do the research on the procedures the scholars use to translate the texts, if you are interested in promoting one version over another.

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Guest RachaelAnn

"The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him that you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree... yeah, makes perfect sense."

-unknown

Rachael

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Guest PaintedWingss

Another thing these people forget is that the Old Testament was written for the Israelites, not the Christians.

I have a King James Bible, and I've found a big difference between this one, and a Bible used by a Methodist friend of mine. In the King James version of Sodom and Gomorrah, it doesn't say what the men intended to do, while in this other Bible, it says that they wanted to "have sex with them". I'll tell you, I was baffled when I read the difference.

- Taylor

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Guest John Chiv

Taylor,

Good point. Sodom and Gomorrah refer to lust and power and rape and just debased immorality. That could apply to anyone and it has been misinterpreted as is much of the Bible. Intellectuals!

If people only saw and felt from the heart, they would get more out of life.

John

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Taylor,

Good point. Sodom and Gomorrah refer to lust and power and rape and just debased immorality. That could apply to anyone and it has been misinterpreted as is much of the Bible. Intellectuals!

If people only saw and felt from the heart, they would get more out of life.

John

Lizzy's satire makes a very valid point. And I agree with everything you say. I also believe the commandments to others are based on the specific time they were said. However, I do believe that many of them do apply today, like love your neighbor as yourself. For those who are true Christians they would pray about any scripture with an objective to find it's true meaning. Of course that is my belief.

Jenny

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Guest John Chiv

Lizzy's satire makes a very valid point. And I agree with everything you say. I also believe the commandments to others are based on the specific time they were said. However, I do believe that many of them do apply today, like love your neighbor as yourself. For those who are true Christians they would pray about any scripture with an objective to find it's true meaning. Of course that is my belief.

Jenny

And I agree with everything that you have said above :)

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Ok what I am about to say may be taken as heretical. I see the bible as a history book written in the language of people of it's time. I find it interesting that in this day and age if some one says they believe in the existence of UFO's the tendency is to look at them as if they are nuts. However on the flip side of the token it is very acceptable to say we believe in a god or that the Bible is the word of God and so on. No one will pressure you into thinking you are nuts unless you run into the most hardened atheist.

I strongly believe these Gods taught us good things and bad things.

ok so where am I going with this. Imagine for a moment how the natives of south America who have never had contact with the outside world would describe a plane flying over head. They might call it a great bird! May even describe it as a dragon. I firmly believe that is what our ancient ancestors were faced with when other beings from other worlds fell back on when describing those who came. They had no idea what to call these fantastic machines they saw. So they described them in terms of what was around them. Birds, wheels, etc.

They even built special structures for these vehicles. Now we look backward and read these things we often inscribe supernatural elements to them. Like Angels with literal wings when in fact our ancient ancestors applied wings to any thing that could fly because it denoted the ability of flight.

there is far more archeological evidence supporting extraterrestrial visitation than there is proof the bible is literally true. Just look at the vastness of space and time and it becomes very evident that the possibility we are not alone is very evident. Billions and billions of stars and with planets around them. Even if 1 percent was able to support life and 1 percent of that was able to support intelligent life we are more than likely not alone and this planet has been seeded by them.

Science talks about the missing link and how human evolution seems to have ignored Darwin's theories. Well, humans probably ignored evolution because we had help. Man has been on this world a fraction of the time other species have been here.

20 years ago I would have been laughed at for these claims but as people see pictures like this hubble20th_lg.jpg or this http://www.nasa.gov/images/content/552553main_straggler-lrg.jpg people seem to start to understand there is more to things than what we have been taught. In fact it would be arrogant to think we are the only show in the cosmos. That would be akin to thinking the earth is the center of our solar system because all revolves around us and we now know how wrong the ancients were about that one!

If there is a second coming in our life time, I highly doubt you will see God descend out of heaven in a cloud...but a machine of some type. I would imagine that would be mind blowing for those who still believe in angels with literal wings for flight.

Oh and by the way, some of the cities that were destroyed anciently show signs of being nuked because of the unusual glass traces left behind in the silica because of the high heat generated by those explosions.

Any way, just my thoughts and opinions. This is a topic of interest to me so forgive me for going into it. This is not a new interest. I have always felt this was true and as science uncovers more about the nature of the cosmos the more I find it fascinating. It is an exciting time to be alive!

Time will tell who is right or wrong. Ultimately I believe spirituality is a personal thing.

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      I so very much enjoy your posts. This one, though, hit home with me for many reasons. I was commissioned in the Army in '77, as well. Like you, I was not overly masculine in the way that many of our contemporaries were. I (still do) cried at weddings, pictures of puppies and babies, when I talked about bring proud of what my units accomplished and was never the Type A leader. In the end, it worked for me and I had a successful career.   This is, of course, your story not mine so I won't detail my struggle. It just took me much longer to understand what the underlying cause of my feelings was and even more to admit it. To act on it.    Thank you for sharing your story, Sally.
    • Sally Stone
      Post 6 “The Military Career Years” In 1977 I joined the Army and went to flight school to become a helicopter pilot.  To fly for the military had been a childhood dream and when the opportunity arose, I took advantage of it, despite knowing I would have to carefully control my crossdressing activity.  At the time, military aviation was male dominated and a haven for Type A personalities and excessive testosterone.  I had always been competitive but my personality was not typically Type A.  And while I could never be considered effeminate, I wasn’t overtly masculine either.  Consequently, I had little trouble hiding the part of my personality that leaned towards the feminine side.    However, serving in the Army limited my opportunities for feminine self-expression.  During this period, I learned that being unable to express my feminine nature regularly, led to frustration and unhappiness.  I managed these feelings by crossdressing and underdressing whenever I could.  Underdressing has never been very fulfilling for me, but while I was in the Army it was a coping mechanism.  I only cross-dressed in private and occasionally my wife would take me out for a late-night drive.  Those drives were still quite private, but being out of the house was clearly therapeutic.    I told myself I was coping, but when it became apparent the Army was going to be a career, the occasional and closeted feminine expression was clearly inadequate.  I needed more girl time and I wanted to share my feminine side with the rest of the world, so the frustration and unhappiness grew.  Despite my feelings regarding feminine self-expression, I loved flying, so I wasn’t willing to give up my military career.  Consequently, I resigned myself to the fact that the female half of my personality needed to take a back seat, and what helped me through, was dreaming of military retirement, and finally having the ability to let Sally blossom.   About Sally. Ironically, she was born while I was still serving.  It was Halloween and my wife and I were hosting a unit party.  I looked upon the occasion as the perfect excuse to dress like a girl.  After a little trepidation, my wife agreed I should take advantage of the opportunity.  Back then, my transformations were not very good, but with my wife’s help, my Halloween costume looked quite authentic.  Originally, my wife suggested that my presentation should be caricature to prevent anyone from seeing through my costume.  But that didn’t appeal to me at all.  I wanted to look as feminine and ladylike as I could.   To my wife’s and my amazement, my costume was the hit of the party.  In fact, later in the evening, my unit buddies decided they wanted to take me out drinking and before either me or my wife could protest, I was whisked away and taken to one of our favorite watering holes.  Terrified at first, I had an amazing time, we all did.  But on Monday morning, when I came to work, I learned that I had a new nickname; it was Sally, and for the duration of that tour, that’s what I was called.  Well, when it came time for me to choose a feminine name, there weren’t any other choices.  Sally it was, and to this day I adore the name, and thank my pilot buddies for choosing it.   And this brings me to my last assignment before retiring.  I was teaching military science in an Army ROTC program at Mercer University in Macon, Georgia.  I had been a member of TRIESS (a nationwide crossdressing support group).  I wasn’t really an active participant but when we moved to Georgia, I learned there was a local chapter in Atlanta.  I reached out to the membership chair person, and joined.   Because the chapter meetings took place in Atlanta, a trans friendly city, and because Atlanta was so far from Macon and any of my military connections, I felt it would be safe to let my feminine hair down.  The monthly meetings took place in the Westin Hotel and Conference Center in Buckhead, an upscale northern Atlanta suburb, and the hotel itself was 4-star.  The meetings were weekend affairs with lots of great activities that allowed me to express myself in a public setting for the first time.  It was during this time, that Sally began to blossom.   I have the fondest memories of Sigma Epsilon (the name of our chapter in Atlanta).  Because the hotel was also a conference center, there was always some big event, and in many cases, there were several.  One weekend there was a nail technician conference that culminated in a contest on Saturday evening.  When the organizers learned there was a huge group of crossdressers staying at the hotel, they reached out to us looking for manicure volunteers.  I volunteered and got a beautiful set of long red fingernails that I wore for the duration of the weekend.   During another of our meeting weekends, there was a huge military wedding taking place, and imagine what we were all thinking when we learned it was a Marine wedding.  Our entire group was on edge worrying we might have to keep a low profile.  It turned out to be one of the most memorable weekends I would experience there.  First off, the Marines were all perfect gentlemen.  On Friday night and throughout the day on Saturday before the wedding, we rubbed elbows with most of them and their wives in and around the hotel, and at the hotel bar.  In fact, we got along so well the bride invited us to the reception.  Somewhere, there is a picture of me with a handsomely dressed Marine draped on each of my arms, standing in the lobby of the hotel.  Sadly, I never got a copy of it because the woman who took the picture used a film camera (yes, they actually took picture that way in ancient times).    My two-years with Sigma Epsilon was the perfect transition.  I went from being fully closeted to being mostly out.  I enhanced my feminine presentation and significantly reduced my social anxiety.  It also signified the end of one life and the beginning of another.  I had a great career and never regretted serving, but I was ready to shed the restrictions 20-years of Army service had imposed on my feminine self-expression.  My new life, Sally’s life, was about to begin, and with it I would begin to fully spread a new set of wings, this time feminine wings.    Hugs, Sally
    • Sally Stone
      Ashley, for a very long time she clung to the term crossdresser, because for her it was less threatening.  Over the years, though, she has come to recognize and acknowledge that I have a strong feminine side.  And like me, she now has a much better understanding of where my transgender journey is going, so me being bigender, isn't the threat she might have perceived it as, years ago. 
    • Carolyn Marie
      https://apnews.com/article/title-ix-sexual-assault-transgender-sports-d0fc0ab7515de02b8e4403d0481dc1e7   The revised regulations don't touch on trans athletes; which I totally understand, as that's become a third rail issue and this is an election year.  But the other changes seem pretty sensible, and will obviously result in immediate right wing lawsuits.   Carolyn Marie
    • missyjo
      darling you have wonderful taste..I especially love the red dress n sneaker outfit   enjoy   missy
    • Carolyn Marie
      Very well said, @Abigail Genevieve, and very true.  Thank you.   Carolyn Marie
    • Susan R
      Trans Group Zoom Meeting Tomorrow!!   Trans Group Zoom Meeting Times: April 20, 2024 6:00 PM Pacific Time April 20, 2024 8:00 PM Central Time April 21, 2024 11:00 AM Australia/Melbourne   Message me for the meeting link if you’d like to attend.   *Hugs* Susan R🌷
    • Susan R
      They may win a few battles but not the war! as @Davie pointed out there is little truth if it full of lies, inconsistencies, and ignores evidence to the contrary. I saw this article earlier and have to agree here. Truth will win. This isn’t the first time this tactic has been tried. Always stick with the truth!
    • Susan R
      Welcome @violet r! Glad you joined our forum and got through the hardest part…that first post. As many have mentioned, we are more than accepting here as we affirm your gender identity and hold no judgement, whatsoever. There’s so much here on this forum, I think you’ll find very helpful. If you have trouble finding an answer just reach out, try the search but starting a new thread is usually best to get some quick answers. Many are here for various transgender related issues but many, if not all, are here to help one another if we can. It’s great to have you onboard.   Warmest Regards, Susan R🌷
    • Willow
      good evening   good day at work today.  I did do some things a little out of normal but everything was completed successfully.  As I said earlier, the Asst Mgr was my second today.  I don’t think she was too happy about that.  Several customers asked her where Richard was her answer was the manager cut his hours.  Well that is only part of the story,  his hours were cut just like mine were and several others but in his case he made demands about his hours that couldn’t be met.  But instead of making some non complaining remark about it she made sure to lay it all on the manager, thus throwing the manager under the bus.  Similarly when asked why she hadn’t been at work early mornings, she said she was being punished by the manager.  Well that’s partly true, she wouldn’t do what the manager told her to do so she took her off opening.  But secondarily she didn’t have a car to drive temporarily.  You can’t open the store without a car because who ever opens has tasks that require them to leave the store, so it was  at least partly her own fault.  But she chose to throw the manager under the bus for that.  I think she is asking to be fired for insubordination.  And if the manager gets these conversations off the security tape tomorrow she just might get her wish.   im pretty close to being ready to take the asst position but there isn’t anyone ready to take over my job, at least not at our store.  I suppose the other shift lead could if she is able to work earlier shifts and if the other closers were just a bit more reliable.   Ive been wanting some homefried chicken.  We found a BBQ place not far away that had such a chicken but I is made fresh when ordered so it has a 30 minute wait.  It was worth the wait and the other things we tried were also good.  Another restaurant on the list.  At least half of what we ordered came home for another meal.   i get to sleep in tomorrow, I go to work at 1:30!   Willow
    • Abigail Genevieve
      It was nine thirty.  Saturday morning had rolled around more quickly than Taylor could believe.  She groaned, whined, thought of a million excuses why she should just stay in bed and knock the alarm across the room.  But it would still be going on, and so would the promise to Bob: when the gi came in, she would be in. There it was in its nice package, out where she could not miss it.  Why didn't she hide it?  She shook her head.   Up she got.  Sometimes you just do.  Her hair was a wreck. She patted it down and went to the bathroom.  Nine forty five. Shower later. No make up. She hated kara-tay especially at an ungodly early hour on a Saturday morning. Bagel. Instant coffee.  She was five minutes away when she realized she had forgotten the gi.  Back she went.   Into the dojo.  She had about five minutes to get the gi on.  She attempted to slip in unnoticed and go to the little restroom. Someone barked something out in Japanese or something, and there was a dead silence.  She turned to see what was going on. Both classes were getting into their lines, but everyone, including Bob, was bowing slightly. To her. Bob nodded, and she returned the bow.  Life started again. She was touched.   Bowing three times. Oath. Kata.  She was facing off with Judy as her partner.  Judy looked worried.   "Sometimes you just gotta pick yourself up and try again," Taylor told her. She nodded. "Let's do this."   Lunge punch and lower block.  They traded off like nothing had happened the last weekend.  Lunge punch and middle block. Lunge punch and upper block.  It was kind of like dancing. Taylor enjoyed it.  She wanted to learn more.  Brown-belt Maggie adjusted position of limbs and hips for both Taylor and Judy, telling them when she was about to do something: elbow up a bit".    "How'd you do?" Bob asked her later.  They had both gone home and showered. Now they were in a booth at a fast food place.   "I was kind of disappointed class ended. I was ready for more."   "That's my trooper."   "I'm not allowing you in my apartment until we are married," she said suddenly.   "You think I am a problem?"   "No.  I think you are safe. You passed the test  I am the problem here."   "Okay."   "What did the doctor tell you?"   "It's complicated.  More tests coming.  Like getting into college.  I got a letter back.  It seems there is this big fat M on my transcript and my current picture is not an M type picture.  I have to write a letter and send them notarized proofs and stuff. Just delays. This is a pain. Nothing cut and dried."   "I will say.  I'm glad I'm not transgender."   "Hah. You are pulled into my world.  You are involved in this stuff as much as I am, and, as you put it, of your own free will."   "You are worth it."   "I hope so."   "I know so."      
    • Abigail Genevieve
      On the way back to her desk she was interrupted by six short, urgent conversations that had to be attended to. Then she slipped into the women's room and locked the stall door.  She took a deep breath, then another, and allowed herself to shake for five minutes,  Then deep breathing, ten in and ten out, stretch up, touch the floor, neck rolls and she was fine. She used the toilet and a woman knocked and said, "Taylor, are you okay?"   "Ready to conquer the world!"  on her way out she found her makeup was fine.  Three stalls, two sinks.  If she ever designed a women's room with three stalls, there would be four sinks, with plenty of space to plunk your stuff down between them.   She met a deferential Karen.  "Here is the branding I came up with," she said.  And she went back to working as hard as Brenda and Mary, who looked up worriedly and then went back to the proposal.   Shortly before 5:00 she received an email with the title Consolidation and Compensation.  In it she learned that the position of office manager was eliminated, and the current office manager was to become the chief executive officer. The former CEO, along with the CFO, the chief legal officer, and sundry staff, had been terminated, per the Board of Directors.  Effective immediately everyone would receive a base salary of $20,000 with a commission to be set by the individual's supervisor.  Each supervisor would be given a certain percentage to distribute.  Most functions they had been handled would be outsourced as needed.   "The question of what profit was made last year is frequent enough to be answered.  The company lost over 500,000 in fiscal 2023.  At this point further cuts are not anticipated.  We will be strategically adding positions that will enhance our profits. Hard work is expected of everyone."   Her two web guys had been complaining because their games had been remotely uninstalled.  After the memo came out they were absolutely silent.  That gave her an idea, and after an exchange of emails they were reassigned to maintenance out at the plant, effective tomorrow morning.  There were lots of weeds that needed pulling, if nothing else. That email went out after they left early, for the day.  The maintenance foreman was a no-nonsense type who did not tolerate slacking, and they would learn a thing or two.  This also freed up two spaces for her to put new people.
    • MaeBe
      So…I didn’t know your Facebook avatar was public. So, on my birthday, a couple people used a group avatar message to wish me a happy birthday…and now my Facebook friends can see a short video of my female avatar dancing with an old friend’s and another with my uncle’s avatars. So am I “Facebook out” now? 😬
    • Davie
      No, they are not. Truth wins in the end and this report is full of lies that poison the whole thing: see this: "Dr. Cass Backpedals From Review: HRT, Blockers Should Be Made Available it's said. Dr. Cass's latest statements are likely to cast more doubt on the validity of the study, which has come under fire for disregarding substantial evidence on trans care." https://www.erininthemorning.com/p/dr-cass-backpedals-from-review-hrt?publication_id=994764&post_id=143743897&isFreemail=true&r=rebf4&triedRedirect=true I hope Dr. Cass wins The Mengele Award for it.
    • Adrianna Danielle
      Boyfriend and I went to a support group for spouses dating or married to a transgender person on Tuesday night for the first time.It was amazing meeting other couples like us.One was a genetic woman whom has been dating a transgender male for the first time and she is supporting his transition.Us,they were amazed by us agreeing on something we said,love and acceptance have brought us together
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