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Dr Phil On Transgender Children: A Travesty

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Here we go again. DR Phil that Sensationalist unlicensed Psycholgist not recognized by his peers has taken on the subject of Transgender children again. By his own admission he says he knows nothing about the subject. Should we then trust his advise when he brings in Mr Stanton and Dr Nicolosi who are against allowing transgender people become their "True Selves"? Interestingly Stanton (Master's degree) is closely involved with"Exodus" who tries to turn people away from being LGBT with disasterous long term results. Both say they can dissuade anyone from being LGBT. From our experience with over 7 million users hundreds have had suicide attempts here after graduating from Exodus style programs. Their studies are all short term. Here we see the results of their mixed up thinking long term as many who wern't treated as kids are attempting suicide every day. In a survey of thousands of Transsexuals here over 50% have had at least one suicide attempt (as young as 7) by their 20th birthday. This is born out in our suicide prevention crisis rooms in chat by certified moderators and supervisors. This is no estimate. Stanton and Nicolosi also ignore the horrific puberty process that distresses transgender teens to the point of suicide. What they propose is dangerous and outside of both Apa's and The AMA who advocate the use of the Wpath standards of care. Dr Phil, Stanton and Nicolosi are outside the mainstream medical and psychological practices and in fact are in a world alone with their beliefs. Dr phil though has learned what porn sites already know Gay and Transgender issues pack the seats. He is not at all sympathetic to the LGBT community. Is he homphobic/transphobic? Only he can answer that though he sends out those vibes.

The American Medical and both PSychiatric and Psychological Associations support the Wpath Transgender Standards of Care. Talking for Transgender people are real experts Dr's Angelo and Segal. They are in the mainstream of all Doctor's. The answer is to get a Gender Therapist for your child. Anyone that knows the Standards of Care knows full well that a diagnosis of Gender Identity disorder GID is not concluded lightly. No child would go through transition without a complete evaluation weeding out those who are on a whim. Great time and care is used to make sure that mistakes are not made.

Early treatment is the key to success and passing in the opposite gender as adults if it is caught when they are children. There are millions of Transgender adults who have had this issue since they were 4 or 5 years old. They are still going through this in their 30;s fourties and even 70's. We have offered Dr Phil statistics from this site on Transgender suicide prevention here. No Other site does what we do. In fact trying to write to DR phil I got cut off in mid letter by his staff on their site. Our 7 million users can provide plenty of insight. Truely Dr Phil does not want to know the truth. Therapy is the best answer not the ramblings of homophobes whether they are Doctors or not.

http://www.lauras-playground.com/gender_therapists.htm

Laura

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Just last night I heard someone on one of the late night talk shows talking about Dr. Phil. I leave the TV on in the family room to listen to the news and any comedy that might slip into the talk shows while I come into my computer room and visit the playground, so I miss a lot of introductions, but between posts waiting for the screen to come back up I heard the dreaded name, so I listened. The man talking was a Doctor not in name only but fully liscenced as well and his take on Dr. Phil is that it is very easy to yell at someone and tell them that they are 'sick' when that is why they came to you in the first place - listening is the important part and as Laura can tell you, it is not the strong suit in the Dr. Phil family.

It is so amazing that even when dealing with mental and emotional health, creditials are not as important as ratings. How far are we from "The Running Man"? Maybe Dr, Phil can host that one - he's got a loud voice and a big following and that is all you need!

All in all, we were better off taking serious mental health advice from Dr. Bob Hartley and Dr. Fraizer Crane!

I'll calm down now and just remind you to forgive this man, "For he knows not what he does."

Love ya,

Sally

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Apparently these Dr.'s never read much...a leopard can't change it's spots...I 'bought' a Dr. of Divinity certificate and that is the same charade that these poseurs spew. I paid $10.00 for mine...it was a bargin from a comic book...yet IF these are actually medically certified people how can they be so ridgid? How can they possibly stray afield from their area of specialization into somthing they have no expertise in? In truth there are opposing trains of thought in psychiatry and they constantly war with one another...let us not forget the worst offender Dr. Spock...no not the guy from Star Trek folks, the mis-guided one. ARGH...I forget who said it, but the were a well recognised psychiatrist and they stated that most people go into the field to cure themselves...and then using themselves as the guina pig...unload their assertations on the world. Then it is up to the 911 calls...the various suicide prevention lines...the police and fire departments to do real life front line psychiatry to sort out these mis-guided attempts to 'fix' something that isn't broken after the fact. I'd like to see these experts "cure" some of the Sociopaths running around 'out there' and maybe do some actual good...naw...isn't going to happen because it takes REAL TIME...lots of it...and a scientific method that these rubicons will never possess. Sadly sideshows attract the mis-informed (alas just what ISN'T needed) and the purient of intrest. I always liked the circus...just not these kinds. Kelly Ann

P.S. if you are a younger and reading this remember that television people are JUST that...Talking Heads...just not as entertaining as the music group.

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I don't have anything against Dr. Phil. I see him as a doctor, but a talk show host. His job is to primarily be a talk show host. He has a PhD, so he does have some experience and credentials. But again, he is a talk show host, which is not the same as a genuine therapist. He could be a genuine therapist if he wanted, but the talk show is not genuine. He says things for viewers, he says things that will bring an audience.

April

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This is my "letter" to Dr. Phil:

Dr. Phil,

I have to admit that I rarely, if ever, watch your show. Most shows like yours, and Jerry Springer, often perpetuate the most base and uneducated view of society. It is unfortunate that given how many people you reach that you do so with an intent to harm. Your recent show on the transgendered parent and her daughter who transitioned from male-to-female is an unfortunate but shining example of this. The show, entitled Little Boy Lost, suggests that parents should "guide" their kids to society's assigned gender and that it's is curable, much like being gay is (apparently). It also, rather subtly, suggests that being transgendered is some kind of horrible, freak show. The parent in this show was treated with disrespect and wasn't given proper advice on how to move forward. Much like the child figuring out that they need to let go of the past, so does the parent. I see no references to support structures or groups that could help this woman grieve for the past and celebrate the present. I thought you were about helping people find a path that can truly help them, by being honest with themselves and moving forward. For this family, it would mean getting support for the family to understand what transgender/transsexualism is, that there is nothing wrong with it and how to move forward with it.

But no, you would prefer to have present to the world these thoughts (emphasis mine):

“How did you make the decision to support him transitioning from male to female versus saying, ‘No, this is wrong, it’s an aberration, it’s a disorder, and he needs therapy’?” Dr. Phil asks.

“Because I knew that that wasn’t the right answer,” she says. “I knew all along something was different about him. He didn’t give me a choice. He didn’t really say, ‘Can I do this?’ He just said, ‘This is what I have to do to live.’”

Dr. Phil points out that Toni has two other sons who are not gender confused, which is at odds with Glenn and Dr. Nicolosi’s theory that gender confusion could be caused by an over-involved mother.

I would point out, Dr. Phil, that her new daughter is not "gender confused" either. She is very aware of who she is and what she needs to do to be seen as that by society's blindness. It strikes me that society seems rather confused as to who she is and refuses to understand what she is going through. Additionally, the thought that the mother was over-involved is a tried and true excuse. It was previously used to describe effeminate heterosexual men as well as homosexuals. This theory has been discounted as a reason for homosexuality and much of the research going on today addresses a variety of "causes". But that said, neither transgenderism nor homosexuality are "diseases"; they are, however, the evolution of individuals into something more than what the "average" cis-gendered person is.

“I just want to see your results,” Toni says to Dr. Nicolosi, defensively. “Where are your 16-year-olds now?”

“This is not just your position with transgendered children, you also believe the same thing in terms of gay and lesbian as well,” Dr. Phil says to Dr. Nicolosi, noting that he has written a book titled A Parent’s Guide to Preventing Homosexuality. “You deal with that in your practice, correct?”

Kudos to the mother, Toni, for asking for "results". Better yet, rather than going and promoting these two "quacks", why not show the success stories of people who have transitioned and live their lives fully and successfully. Show fathers and mothers, like Toni, that it doesn't have to be all sad and a matter of grieving but rather a life that can be enjoyed and lived fully. Preventing it, as these two suggest, opens up a greater chance of suicide (particularly those that are pre-op, pre-hormone and denied the right to be their true self) as well as a greater chance of a life lead in misery, confusion and shame.

Contrary to what some suggest, there is no shame in being yourself. We're told this every day, even from the likes of Sesame Street. We're told that it's ok to accept others who are different from each other and then the likes of you promotes the fear, uncertainty and doubt (FUD) about trans individuals rather than celebrating the people they become. Do we always have to be bombarded by a negative view of life? Can we not be bombarded with success, happiness and fulfillment via paths not like what the average person experience?

Is it really that difficult?

Regards,

Linus, who's happy with life now.

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The problem with Dr .Phil and the I'm for hire crowd is they are dealing with fragile human lives and children who are disproportionatly inclined to suicide and harmful non lethal ways of harming themselves. This is a crime against so many of innocent people and the crimes go unpunished, and actaully in pop culture lauded as helpful. It makes me sick.

Actually when I came out to my wife, i know she thought of me as some freak from the Jerry Springer show, like a drag queen no offence intended to drag queens, but that is the stereotype perpetuated by Dr.Phil, "Mayor" Jerry and Maury Povitch.

How do we combat that, a question I wish I had the answer to, but I don't.

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I don't think it is our place to accuse him of wanting to intentionally harm people. We do not know this. Dr. Phil may possibly be doing the bets he believes he can be doing towards us. Not everyone shares the same views as we do. Regardless if they are right or wrong, he has his own right to his opinions. He hasn't done anything that shows aggression, so we don't have any proof to say that he is intentionally trying to harm our community. If we want him to think differently, it is our job to educate him.

April

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I'm not saying Dr. "P" has intent to purchase harm to any individual. I am saying his interest is in perpetuating stereotypes, that is the easy way to fame and the fortune that he seeks and has successfully secured. . No pre judgement, simple facts. Mia.

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Every licensed Professional has peer accepted standards to follow. If you don't follow them you loose your license like Dr Phil. It wasn't a matter of him forgetting to renew it. He lost it. It was taken by his professional peers. He is outside the mainstream of his profession. MAny Doctors will tell you that what he practices isn't conventional therapy and even Dr Phil admits that. The AMA and both Apa's have endorsed the wpath Standards of care for transgender people http://wpath.org/Documents2/socv6.pdf . They have also come out against reparative therapy which DR Phil endorses. Both APA's have condemned Reparative therapy in the treatment of LGBT people. Why? It is dangerous that's why. It can cause suicides. Yet the miniscule handful of those who use reparative therapy use it for one purpose, to "CURE" LGBT people. "Exodus" is one such place that does this but it is really a religious organization. As one Exodus offical told a homsexual who was failing their program " You would be better off to commit suicide than to continue in the homosexual lifestyle". He's not the only one to make this statement. Thousands of emails prove this. Does this sound like someone who cares about us? No, what is clear is this therapy is used soley to make religious people feel better not us. To them the only good LGBT person is a dead one or a cured one. It's like a lamb thinking that a butcher is going to remove a sliver from his paw. Then he's surprised when he's on the meat hook. Should we trust our kids to Exodus style programs? To me that Exodus officials statement about LGBT people indicates genocide and for religious reasons.

You've all heard me talk about the many victims of Exodus who are members here. Many have had suicide attempts after leaving the program. We have heard the aftermath in our suicide prevention crisis rooms many many times. Does this sound like successful therapy to you? Anyone can browbeat someone into changing behavior short term. Does it last? NO! Is it safe? NO! IS it dangerous and life threatening? YES? Purging is a great example that many have done here. It rarely lasts.

If you use an unlicensed plumber the worst that can happen is you get wet. If you use an unconventional surgeon or therapist that doesn't follow peer standards you can get dead. Here we see the long term effects of untreated GID everyday with people from 13 to 80. The lives affected are epidemic and the effects tragic. Years ago LGBT people were treated with shock therapy which was horrific. I was one of these victims. Today though there is treatment and Standards of Care from Wpath. This treatment is meant to prevent suicides, not cause them. Dr. Phil has an obligation to bring these treatments to light and so far has not done so. In my humble opinion the show should have a disclaimer that touts his lack of license. My God think of the tragedy if someone actually listens to him. :o

http://www.lauras-playground.com/transgend...al_children.htm

Laura

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Forcing anyone to fit into a preconcieved gender role they are not suited for is criminal. People like Dr. Phil and his ilk that condemn others, especially children, because those people don't fit into their narrow, bigoted world view are an obscenity. They have no conscience and no shame. They prey on the uninformed who don't understand that sex and gender and attraction encompass an enormous range of human thoughts and behaviors and feelings and emotions. They convince people there is something wrong with them and that THEY have the 'cure'.

What is wrong with these so called experts that makes them so intolerant and rigid? What is wrong with listening to a child and believing what the child says and feels and helping that child grow up into a well adjusted adult?

We are here in this life to help and support each other and the world gives back to everyone a reflection of (his, her, zir, take your pick) own face. These pompous 'experts' are vile, grotesque and evil.

I apologize for this rant but this makes me so angry. Thank goodness we have Laura here and her website where we can reveal our truths to each other and revel in our shared humanity.

Big hug for everyone :) Irielle

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He has a PhD, but that doesn't mean he currently has a license. So yes, he is just a talk show host and though he could be a real doctor, I hope he doesn't become one. I don't appreciate there being hate on television period, but if he were to just be an unbiased party, let the two sides go at it, and then let the audience form their own opinions, that would be one thing. He doesn't, unfortunately.

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EVERYTIME this Topic comes up again I get furious - not at the topic, at the Dr. Phil... er... person :mad:

As Sally said early on , if you can't say something nice, don't say anything at all. ;)

Good advice. Here's what I think about Dr. Phil: :o

So what do you think of that? ha! Lizzy :lol:

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Let us just imagine that Dr. Phil was your first impression of a therapist be it gender therapist or no...

Ask yourself, after 50minutes of looking and listening to that, would you honestly wanna go back for more?

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Let us just imagine that Dr. Phil was your first impression of a therapist be it gender therapist or no...

Ask yourself, after 50minutes of looking and listening to that, would you honestly wanna go back for more?

Let's see Amie, one word comes to my mind. And that word is,

Yikes!

Love ya,

(Cowering behind the couch, hiding from Dr. Phil McGraw)

Sally

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YIKES alright!! icon_eek.gificon_lol-2.gif

I do not think Dr. Phil actually know too much about what he 'does' whether he has a PhD or not to tell you the truth, especially when it comes to the LGBT community..

I believe he is good at voicing his own opinions very persuasively and being a popular TV host has the advantage of influence on many people.

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Let us just imagine that Dr. Phil was your first impression of a therapist be it gender therapist or no...

Ask yourself, after 50minutes of looking and listening to that, would you honestly wanna go back for more?

Dr. Phil

{{{{{{{{{{{ ugh }}}}}}}}}}}}

I despise that man.

I guess you may not have picked that up? HA!

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Sally, that is the FUNNIEST post I think I've read on here! XD We'd be better off taking advice from Dr.Faizer Crane, I like that! XD

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Ahhh Dr Phill again, guess what he ain't a Dr no longer. For once the state of Texas and it's board of medical review stripped him of his liscence to practice.

Now in the meantime he is also involved in several law suits pertaining to his practice and some shady real estate deals.

Poor Opra, she introdused this idiot to us, and she is now distancing herself from him.

I asked my dog this morning what he was good for, he said wrarff, I ask what phil is good for and I can find no use, hmm

maybe my dog has more worth.

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Dr. Phil used to be real. Before he was a talk show host, he wrote books that were actually helpful. Now, he's doing everything for publicity. I hate it when people throw away everything that's real just to get more money.

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Dr. Phil - good thing I haven't had breakfast! He makes me want to throw-up!!!

Lizzy

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When he first started, like Deeedoo pointed out he was a very down to Earth, common sense type of therapist.

But when, "How's that been workin' for ya?" became a catch phrase instead of an actual question, he had stopped helping people and become a celebrity.

Once that line is crossed all credibility is lost.

A once helpful and possibly even caring member of the medical profession has become a game show host.

Move over Jerry, make room for Dr. Phil.

Be sure to watch - "The Price Is Too High".

Love ya,

Sally

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Let us just imagine that Dr. Phil was your first impression of a therapist be it gender therapist or no...

Ask yourself, after 50minutes of looking and listening to that, would you honestly wanna go back for more?

after 15 minutes of his diatribe, and stupidity i would be walking out. If I even lasted that long, and if he was the last counselor on earth I would die before seeing him again.

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I hate Dr. Phil, I remember seeing some ad for his next episode where they had this guy who became a woman who had a estranged wife and daughter, and it seemed like Dr. Phil was against him/her during the show. Something along the lines of "how could you do this to your family?"

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It's things like this that prove that introducing Dr. Phil to the world was Oprah's biggest mistake. (Actually it's one of her only mistakes. ;) )

Natalie Alexis

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