Jump to content
  • Welcome to the TransPulse Forums!

    We offer a safe, inclusive community for transgender and gender non-conforming folks, as well as their loved ones, to find support and information.  Join today!

Obama's Inauguration


Guest mia 1

Recommended Posts

I should be so excited about this coming tuesday's ceremonies. I was a volunteer and contributor and obviously a supporter of Obama's campaign, since Feb. 2007.

But the fact that Rick Warren Is giving the invocation makes my stomach turn.

I suppose R.W. is well meaning and has faith in his God, but he worked so hard for the passage of Prop.8 that he is a danger to our community. He is one of those "christians" who believe "Hate the sin, love the sinner. Well my dear Rick we are not sinners and the idea that you believe we are, puts you in the "us v. them" camp.

So your smiling welcome all who seek him mask, doesn't fool me. It is the same speech through out the generations, "HE loves you", just as long you think and act like I do. The real god of the universe is not the one you preach about in your cash cow books, but a true god/goddess that loves us all for who we are. We are the creation of that diety.

Prop.8 is a hateful, self rightous(sp) spiteful overturning of a law created to allow people of the same gender to find happiness and live in and under the protection of laws that are in the state constitution of the state of California. In his self rightous way R.W. has taken that protection away from the people who celebrated the joys of equality.

What's next, the taking away of LGBT rights in the work place? You bet it is..........................Mia.

Link to comment
Guest Elizabeth K
I should be so excited about this coming tuesday's ceremonies. I was a volunteer and contributor and obviously a supporter of Obama's campaign, since Feb. 2007.

But the fact that Rick Warren Is giving the invocation makes my stomach turn.

I suppose R.W. is well meaning and has faith in his God, but he worked so hard for the passage of Prop.8 that he is a danger to our community. He is one of those "christians" who believe "Hate the sin, love the sinner. Well my dear Rick we are not sinners and the idea that you believe we are, puts you in the "us v. them" camp.

So your smiling welcome all who seek him mask, doesn't fool me. It is the same speech through out the generations, "HE loves you", just as long you think and act like I do. The real god of the universe is not the one you preach about in your cash cow books, but a true god/goddess that loves us all for who we are. We are the creation of that diety.

Prop.8 is a hateful, self rightous(sp) spiteful overturning of a law created to allow people of the same gender to find happiness and live in and under the protection of laws that are in the state constitution of the state of California. In his self rightous way R.W. has taken that protection away from the people who celebrated the joys of equality.

What's next, the taking away of LGBT rights in the work place? You bet it is..........................Mia.

YIKES - I hear your alarm! :blink:

I voted Obama and so did my entire family (if he had been down to the last 12 votes - well, we'd been famous!)

BUT Mia admit it. When you and I have been around as long as we have, we know 'POLITICS AS USUAL' trumps common sense. :o

So we need to blame those who condemn without compassion - Is that spelled "C h r i s ti a n C o n s e r v a t i v e?" - for promoting religious issues into govenment policy. Hey, isn't there a Constitutional Amendment or something....? Oh - obviously not... :( Liz what are you thinking.

Mia - as usual, we as Americans need to keep up our guard. Thanks for the reminder! <_<

Link to comment
Guest Sarah Marie
So your smiling welcome all who seek him mask, doesn't fool me. It is the same speech through out the generations, "HE loves you", just as long you think and act like I do. The real god of the universe is not the one you preach about in your cash cow books, but a true god/goddess that loves us all for who we are. We are the creation of that diety.

Mia -- With this paragraph you have beautifully captured the heart of what is wrong with Christianity in this country. In chasing the dollar, the churches have turned their backs on their traditional mission: attending to the spiritual needs of their congregations. Rick Warren is no different than anyone else. If the pro gay marriage forces had more money behind them than the anti forces, I am convinced he would change his tune in a heartbeat.

I am hoping that, once Obama is officially in office, and the current gang is gone from the national stage, that this issue will fade over time. Furthermore, re Prop 8: I have read that California's Attorney General has reversed his position on it and has filed a brief with the California Supreme Court asking that Prop 8 be declared invalid on the grounds that it is unconstitutional. I hope, for the sake of the nation, that the Court agrees.

Link to comment
Guest April63

Well personally, I know I'm the minority, but I like McCain :(. So for me, Obama is the step backwards. I don't believe he has the necessary skills and experience to perform the job. He doesn't have a sound economic plan. Increase spending? Now? National healthcare? No thanks.

I know that this Rick Warren thing has caused some controversy, but I don't understand why. If he is only doing the invocation, then what is the big deal? Or am I missing something?

And last, my parents, actually my family, and many of my friends were strong supporters of Proposition 8. While there were some people that may have had hate in their hearts, the majority of voters didn't. My family and friends aren't self-righteous haters. I know you didn't mean anything personal, Mia. Also, there never was a law allowing people of the same gender to marry each other. Instead, an earlier version of 8, called 22, was passed, but overturned by the court.

April

Link to comment
Guest Kelly Ann

um...I thought Barack was supposed to be the great uniter Mia...what better way than to have Rick Warren do the invocation (hmmm what happened to seperation of church and state and Lincoln's bible no less), well maybe he didn't make you happy with his proposition campaigning pro-8 in Calif, he has written a really GREAT book though-The Purpose Driven Life...it actually allowed a woman to subdue some lout that was basically a ruthless KILLER...and MEANT to kill her...I call that some kind of inspiration that's ok by me...I didn't like everything Billy Graham ever did but he's no less a great man he did a BUNCH of them...I don't go to church and haven't since I was about 6 their sky isn't big enough for me...my dad DRAGGED me last time...it's funny now but it was a Wednesday, my birthday, he'd given me a Bible and made me promise to go with him to a Baptist Church (mom had died I couldn't deny)...but I was soooo miserable he's never done it again (he hasn't either)...it caused me to cry tears like the Mississippi was going to dry up and it was my mission to keep the water table up...I was about 49. Barack is a politician, treat him like one...bewahahahahahah...thay're all dirt bags...isn't that the Wikipedia defination of politician? DirtBag. Registered Liberterian, Kelly Ann

P.S. April you go girl...that is why there ARE elections...<sigh> I've probably allienated everybody now :P erm...what's new

Link to comment
Guest Linus Thomas

I thought there was a gay pastor also doing the prayer and sermon beforehand. It sounds more to me that Obama is trying to be open to all -- even those that hate us. Even Christ broke bread with those who killed Him. I think before we pass judgement we need to listen to all that is being said.

Link to comment

Okay this is my take on this subject. First Obama is not the great savior, I'm a black man and some i my community beleve this to be. I do like him however. I thiink that he has the peoples best intrest in mind and I think that he has the capability to think outside of the box. As fae as him having Rick Warren at his inuaguation okay, he also has two other ministers speaking as well that are not against gay marriage. Politics is what it is, and if you all know a little about history no president has been without fault.

FYI, Obama just announced today that he will lift the don't ask don't tell thing from the military. Now what he ment by that who knows, but I think he gets it.

Link to comment
Guest CharlieRose
Also, there never was a law allowing people of the same gender to marry each other. Instead, an earlier version of 8, called 22, was passed, but overturned by the court.

April

Well, right, but in 1942 there was a precedent set in California that gave people a "right to marry." and the Supreme Court decided that it applied to gays, too. (So, prop 8 is unconstitutional... Which I knew already, 'cause, you know the Constitution is there to PROTECT the minority's rights from the majority, not take them away, but whatever, I guess if the mob is loud and spiteful and scared enough.... Over nonsense.... *sigh*)

And, yeah, at first I was like "Eh, say what?" when I heard about this, but Linus makes a good point. If not anything else, Obama is generally classy, and showing respect to people he doesn't necessarily agree with is a good example of class. (And Jesus-osity. Not that Obama is Jesus, I'm just saying it sounds like something he [Jesus] would do. Jesus was a pretty classy guy, too.)

FYI, Obama just announced today that he will lift the don't ask don't tell thing from the military. Now what he ment by that who knows, but I think he gets it.

I think that means he'll remove the "Don't ask, Don't tell" policy and so then gays will be able to serve openly. And, yeah, I think he gets it, too. Like, Biden said they were both against gay marriage (for gay rights, but not the word "marriage") but I think that's just being realistic. Lincoln swore he wasn't going to do anything with slavery to get more votes, and then once he was in office, well, then his true feelings came out! (In a good, get-rid-of-slavery way)

Link to comment

I've read the Purpose Driven Life the main purpose is to make Rick Warren, "Rich" Warren. The only one I know who has called Obama the Messiah are the far right radio commentators Rush Limbaugh and Ann Coulter.

I concede nothing. smiles smirks and winks so unladylike Mia.

Link to comment
Guest April63

The big thing I've been wondering about is how a California court will be able to rule Prop 8 unconstitutional when it is part of the Constitution. It's literally constitutional! It is the California Constitution! So the anti-8 crowd is gonna have to come up with some real good explanation to make the Constitution itself unconstitutional.

April

Link to comment
The big thing I've been wondering about is how a California court will be able to rule Prop 8 unconstitutional when it is part of the Constitution. It's literally constitutional! It is the California Constitution! So the anti-8 crowd is gonna have to come up with some real good explanation to make the Constitution itself unconstitutional.

April

The constitution whether a state or the U.S. Constitution is always under judicial review. This means that it is open to interpretation. That is why we have ammendments and rulings by the state supreme court ot the U.S. Sup.Court.

Slavery was part of the constitution and was legal and upheld by the supreme court as we have previously noted.

The XIII ammendment abolished slavery, the XIV ammendmennt gave equal protection under the law to former slaves, and the XV ammendment said that rights of former slaves are not to be denied.

So as yoiu can see the paralells are their for the Calif. S.C. to over rule Prop 8 under the equal protection under the law and the rights not to be denied ammendments.

Remember U.S. const. law supercedes state law as we have discussed before. This is under the Marbury V. Madison decision of Ch. Ju. Marshall's ruling in 1803, back when I was a young girl...................Mia.

Link to comment
Guest April63

The US Constitution never specifically allowed slavery. It mentioned slaves for tax purposes, and then the amendment was added. Similarly, the CA Constitution never said anything concerning two people of the same gender marrying. Now, the amendment says only marriage between a man and a woman is valid. So to change that, the people will need to pass an amendment invalidating it. While the court continually interprets the Constitution, it's pretty hard to interpret that any differently than how it is already being interpreted. The US Supreme Court could take it out, or a Federal law.

April

Link to comment

I have always tried to be an opyimist and I try to avoid politics. Why do I try to avoid politics? For the very simple reason that so many people place such high hopes and fears as to what the new folks will do in Washington - pretty much what the last bunch did. Oh, they will give the perks yo a different set of friends and they will have a very different public persona, but in the end it will remain 'Politics as usual'! When Lydon Johnson, then a Senator, attached a rider to an important piece of legislation - prior to the line item veto discussions - allowing for Senators to approve their own pay raises each and every year, it was supposed to be for the purpose of making it unnecessary for Senators to take payments from Special Interest Groups. That didn't work so well because you can not pay anyone so much money that they will not accept more! New folks go in like children with wide-eyed ignorance to the ways of the system. The endless exchange of back scratching and political favors as well as tremendous pressures to succumb to the system and within a few short weeks it is very hard to tell that anything has chnaged.

Don't get too excited - everything will be 'back to normal' by early March!

Love ya,

Synical Sally

Link to comment
Guest Donna Jean

I have to admit that I get taken in by campaign promises. I want to believe so bad that I feel that they just MUST be sincere. I want to believe in the goodness of people. I want to believe in the inherent goodness of mankind.

But, just like Charlie Brown and the football..it's pulled from under me again and again and yet I still strive to hope and believe...

Dang...that's just plain naive, isn't it?

Naive Donna Jean

Link to comment

Naive can be good, it makes you genuine, but also vunerable (oh how I wish my spelling and vocabulary matched - so many times I have to change my entire sentence to avoid the words that I misspell so badly that no one could recognize them).

Naivity mixed with just a touch of caution and you can be very happy. :)

Love ya,

Sally

Link to comment

Right on the button Sally, naive is good it keeps us young and innocent and we alll are in a new world so we are young and innocent. Well................ahem,,,innocent, so astay naive Donna Jean, because just maybe things may be different,,,,,,,,,she says wistfully,,,,,,,,,,,

Spell checker would be a b lessing, but then again,,to misspell is human to overlook the mistake is divine.

#3 To April, the constitution talks of slaves as 2/3 of a person, not for tax purposes but for population as re[resentation for Congress, and as 2/3 for presidential electors.

Disgusting isn't it.

Link to comment
  • Who's Online   6 Members, 0 Anonymous, 160 Guests (See full list)

    • Karen Carey
    • SamC
    • Birdie
    • April Marie
    • MaybeRob
    • Betty K
  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    • No registered users viewing this page.
  • Forum Statistics

    • Total Topics
      80.6k
    • Total Posts
      768k
  • Member Statistics

    • Total Members
      12,015
    • Most Online
      8,356

    Quillian
    Newest Member
    Quillian
    Joined
  • Today's Birthdays

    1. Bowie Ellis
      Bowie Ellis
      (19 years old)
    2. Damien Mcknight
      Damien Mcknight
      (18 years old)
    3. JJ
      JJ
      (77 years old)
    4. KathyLauren
      KathyLauren
      (70 years old)
    5. memyselfandwe
      memyselfandwe
      (44 years old)
  • Posts

    • Heather Shay
    • Heather Shay
      When do you know you've had enough surgery?
    • Heather Shay
      Another week completed with more inregration.
    • Heather Shay
      Relief (emotion) Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org › wiki › Relief_(emotion)         Relief is a positive emotion experienced when something unpleasant, painful or distressing has not happened or has come to an end.
    • Heather Shay
    • Heather Shay
    • Heather Shay
    • April Marie
      Loving this woman I am becoming.
    • April Marie
      Good morning, everyone!! I was up early again - already on my third cup of coffee having walked/fed the dog and read the local paper.   We have a birthday party for a friend to go to this afternoon but no real plans otherwise.   I hope to be able to attend tonight's TGP Zoom session. It's been weeks since I've been able to participate with the illness/loss of our dog, two horrible colds in succession and our trip to chase the solar eclipse.   Have a wonderful day and look for the goodness in it.
    • April Marie
      I think we tend to be overly critical of our looks, whether we're trying to express ourselves as masculine, feminine or anywhere along the gender spectrum. For me, I use photos as a way to track my progress, to help me find my style and look and to help me find ways to improve myself in posture, looks, make-up, style......   I didn't really think about our FB avatar being public but then realized that when people search they do see it.   Since I'm not out to anyone but my wife, therapist, priest and people here, my FB page remains "that guy." I have created a Bitmoji that is relatively androgynous moving slowly towards the feminine. Long gray hair, earrings, softer features...I'm transitioning it along with myself. :-)
    • April Marie
      I so very much enjoy your posts. This one, though, hit home with me for many reasons. I was commissioned in the Army in '77, as well. Like you, I was not overly masculine in the way that many of our contemporaries were. I (still do) cried at weddings, pictures of puppies and babies, when I talked about bring proud of what my units accomplished and was never the Type A leader. In the end, it worked for me and I had a successful career.   This is, of course, your story not mine so I won't detail my struggle. It just took me much longer to understand what the underlying cause of my feelings was and even more to admit it. To act on it.    Thank you for sharing your story, Sally.
    • Sally Stone
      Post 6 “The Military Career Years” In 1977 I joined the Army and went to flight school to become a helicopter pilot.  To fly for the military had been a childhood dream and when the opportunity arose, I took advantage of it, despite knowing I would have to carefully control my crossdressing activity.  At the time, military aviation was male dominated and a haven for Type A personalities and excessive testosterone.  I had always been competitive but my personality was not typically Type A.  And while I could never be considered effeminate, I wasn’t overtly masculine either.  Consequently, I had little trouble hiding the part of my personality that leaned towards the feminine side.    However, serving in the Army limited my opportunities for feminine self-expression.  During this period, I learned that being unable to express my feminine nature regularly, led to frustration and unhappiness.  I managed these feelings by crossdressing and underdressing whenever I could.  Underdressing has never been very fulfilling for me, but while I was in the Army it was a coping mechanism.  I only cross-dressed in private and occasionally my wife would take me out for a late-night drive.  Those drives were still quite private, but being out of the house was clearly therapeutic.    I told myself I was coping, but when it became apparent the Army was going to be a career, the occasional and closeted feminine expression was clearly inadequate.  I needed more girl time and I wanted to share my feminine side with the rest of the world, so the frustration and unhappiness grew.  Despite my feelings regarding feminine self-expression, I loved flying, so I wasn’t willing to give up my military career.  Consequently, I resigned myself to the fact that the female half of my personality needed to take a back seat, and what helped me through, was dreaming of military retirement, and finally having the ability to let Sally blossom.   About Sally. Ironically, she was born while I was still serving.  It was Halloween and my wife and I were hosting a unit party.  I looked upon the occasion as the perfect excuse to dress like a girl.  After a little trepidation, my wife agreed I should take advantage of the opportunity.  Back then, my transformations were not very good, but with my wife’s help, my Halloween costume looked quite authentic.  Originally, my wife suggested that my presentation should be caricature to prevent anyone from seeing through my costume.  But that didn’t appeal to me at all.  I wanted to look as feminine and ladylike as I could.   To my wife’s and my amazement, my costume was the hit of the party.  In fact, later in the evening, my unit buddies decided they wanted to take me out drinking and before either me or my wife could protest, I was whisked away and taken to one of our favorite watering holes.  Terrified at first, I had an amazing time, we all did.  But on Monday morning, when I came to work, I learned that I had a new nickname; it was Sally, and for the duration of that tour, that’s what I was called.  Well, when it came time for me to choose a feminine name, there weren’t any other choices.  Sally it was, and to this day I adore the name, and thank my pilot buddies for choosing it.   And this brings me to my last assignment before retiring.  I was teaching military science in an Army ROTC program at Mercer University in Macon, Georgia.  I had been a member of TRIESS (a nationwide crossdressing support group).  I wasn’t really an active participant but when we moved to Georgia, I learned there was a local chapter in Atlanta.  I reached out to the membership chair person, and joined.   Because the chapter meetings took place in Atlanta, a trans friendly city, and because Atlanta was so far from Macon and any of my military connections, I felt it would be safe to let my feminine hair down.  The monthly meetings took place in the Westin Hotel and Conference Center in Buckhead, an upscale northern Atlanta suburb, and the hotel itself was 4-star.  The meetings were weekend affairs with lots of great activities that allowed me to express myself in a public setting for the first time.  It was during this time, that Sally began to blossom.   I have the fondest memories of Sigma Epsilon (the name of our chapter in Atlanta).  Because the hotel was also a conference center, there was always some big event, and in many cases, there were several.  One weekend there was a nail technician conference that culminated in a contest on Saturday evening.  When the organizers learned there was a huge group of crossdressers staying at the hotel, they reached out to us looking for manicure volunteers.  I volunteered and got a beautiful set of long red fingernails that I wore for the duration of the weekend.   During another of our meeting weekends, there was a huge military wedding taking place, and imagine what we were all thinking when we learned it was a Marine wedding.  Our entire group was on edge worrying we might have to keep a low profile.  It turned out to be one of the most memorable weekends I would experience there.  First off, the Marines were all perfect gentlemen.  On Friday night and throughout the day on Saturday before the wedding, we rubbed elbows with most of them and their wives in and around the hotel, and at the hotel bar.  In fact, we got along so well the bride invited us to the reception.  Somewhere, there is a picture of me with a handsomely dressed Marine draped on each of my arms, standing in the lobby of the hotel.  Sadly, I never got a copy of it because the woman who took the picture used a film camera (yes, they actually took picture that way in ancient times).    My two-years with Sigma Epsilon was the perfect transition.  I went from being fully closeted to being mostly out.  I enhanced my feminine presentation and significantly reduced my social anxiety.  It also signified the end of one life and the beginning of another.  I had a great career and never regretted serving, but I was ready to shed the restrictions 20-years of Army service had imposed on my feminine self-expression.  My new life, Sally’s life, was about to begin, and with it I would begin to fully spread a new set of wings, this time feminine wings.    Hugs, Sally
    • Sally Stone
      Ashley, for a very long time she clung to the term crossdresser, because for her it was less threatening.  Over the years, though, she has come to recognize and acknowledge that I have a strong feminine side.  And like me, she now has a much better understanding of where my transgender journey is going, so me being bigender, isn't the threat she might have perceived it as, years ago. 
    • Carolyn Marie
      https://apnews.com/article/title-ix-sexual-assault-transgender-sports-d0fc0ab7515de02b8e4403d0481dc1e7   The revised regulations don't touch on trans athletes; which I totally understand, as that's become a third rail issue and this is an election year.  But the other changes seem pretty sensible, and will obviously result in immediate right wing lawsuits.   Carolyn Marie
    • missyjo
      darling you have wonderful taste..I especially love the red dress n sneaker outfit   enjoy   missy
  • Upcoming Events

Contact TransPulse

TransPulse can be contacted in the following ways:

Email: Click Here.

To report an error on this page.

Legal

Your use of this site is subject to the following rules and policies, whether you have read them or not.

Terms of Use
Privacy Policy
DMCA Policy
Community Rules

Hosting

Upstream hosting for TransPulse provided by QnEZ.

Sponsorship

Special consideration for TransPulse is kindly provided by The Breast Form Store.
×
×
  • Create New...