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Guest Lonely and lost

I'm agnostic, but I very worried that if Christianity, Islam or Judaism are correct that I will be sent to hell for being transgendered. Many believers online seem to think so. Is this is the case, and if not why so?

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JJ

Because those online believers are talking about transgender as a sexual perversion and they are totally mis-informed about what it means to be transgender and what the bible actually says. Of the 10 commandments most Christians believe are handed down directly from God where is the one about being transgender? Yet they sit in church every Sunday next to people who have broken many if not most of them without a murmur because those people don't make them uncomfortable and are not hard to understand as we are. We make good targets because people can't understand or identify with us very easily and we don't have the numbers to fight back. Much easier to attack than those with money and power who commit heinous sins. If the conservative fundamentalist churches would just put as much energy into lessening the violence and cruelty that Jesus actually did condemn as they do attacking LGBT people the world would be a far better and more Christian place.

I do not-will never -believe that the Creator I have known all my life would give me a birth defect and then send me to hell for having it or treating it. If so then I would rather be in hell than with a Creator who would perpetrate that. But the truth is that most Christians and churches don't feel that way. Don't put their own narrow and ugly images on God and actually believe in loving acceptance as my very mainstream church does.

Johnny

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Bulldog1948

Because those online believers are talking about transgender as a sexual perversion and they are totally mis-informed about what it means to be transgender and what the bible actually says. Of the 10 commandments most Christians believe are handed down directly from God where is the one about being transgender? Yet they sit in church every Sunday next to people who have broken many if not most of them without a murmur because those people don't make them uncomfortable and are not hard to understand as we are. We make good targets because people can't understand or identify with us very easily and we don't have the numbers to fight back. Much easier to attack than those with money and power who commit heinous sins. If the conservative fundamentalist churches would just put as much energy into lessening the violence and cruelty that Jesus actually did condemn as they do attacking LGBT people the world would be a far better and more Christian place.

I do not-will never -believe that the Creator I have known all my life would give me a birth defect and then send me to hell for having it or treating it. If so then I would rather be in hell than with a Creator who would perpetrate that. But the truth is that most Christians and churches don't feel that way. Don't put their own narrow and ugly images on God and actually believe in loving acceptance as my very mainstream church does.

Johnny

Johnny, you hit the nail squarely on the head "I do not-will never -believe that the Creator I have known all my life would give me a birth defect and then send me to hell for having it or treating it" That needs to be the new trans slogan.

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That's a wonderful slogan, Mike. :friends:

Huggs, :wub:

Joann

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Charlize

I believe that my higher power doesn't make mistakes. That being said i think we can make our own hell and can send ourselves there.

Hugs,

Charlize

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I believe that my higher power doesn't make mistakes. That being said i think we can make our own hell and can send ourselves there.

Hugs,

Charlize

I think I was there for decades. :banghead:

Unfortunately I feel as if I still find my way there on occasion. :Crylol:

Huggs, :wub:

Joann

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Guest sydney

I was at a close friends father's funeral a few years ago and the eulogy was given my Catholic Brother of the clergy and was in his 60's. Towards the end he said this:

You know about how you hear living a good life and going to heaven or hell afterwords. No I don't believe that. After seeing the things I've seen and knowing what I know. Don't tell the Catholic church this, but "Hell" is where we are now. It's a place you make and live now, not what you will go to. Yes, you will go on, but don't make you own hell here on Earth.

He was a very interesting person and loved what he said. I was raised Southern Baptist and Methodist. My step-father and his family are all Catholic so I've been exposed to both. Not to mention a few Jewish services and two Jehovah Witness funeral (very depressing beliefs they have.) However, both my wife and I live more of a non worshiping Buddhist belief but there is still a higher power wether it be God or little green aliens from Gallifrey.. We celebrate the major Christian holidays with our families, but just don't buy the big organized religion, mega-sized churches and all the dogma they teach. My personal belief is that the Dogma is there as a way to govern people behavior prior to organized government and laws.

Dogma isn't necessarily a bad thing. I once heard a story on talk radio one day about how a man who had been feuding with his neighbor about a fence. He said that if he didn't believe that he would go to hell for killing someone else, he would have killed his neighbor. Obviously some individuals are not enlightened enough where dogma is required for those individuals.

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Guest Isabel1991

Wow I can assure you that even if there is a god that he or she or they or whatever form it has taking does not send people to be touched for every do you know that hell is a concept that was created later on in these monotheistic religions and.furthermore it sound like your being scared by people threatening you with violence in this case.hell to belive what they believe there's a word for that it's called terrorism I would not worry about it beside hell if you compare it to a.monotheistic heaven does.not sound.so bad I'd rather. Be who I want to be and chill with the cool kids in hell then worship Jesus for ever in heaven and lie to myself to get there and what kind of supreme being condems someone for being them self anyways I would want no part of his club if it is a real place case in point I'd rather be who I am in this so called hell which is the most asinine concept ever then be fake and heaven and so should you I'm not trying to tell you what to do but it bugs me that these abrahamic religions (meaning those descended from Abraham such as Judaism Christianity and isalam) have scared you away from being who you want to be beside most people who think this are totally misinterpreting these messages from ancient people who wore very uneducated to.begin with

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Guest Isabel1991

Love Isabel

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Guest Jennifer T

While I pretty much abhor 'labels', I've been Christian for most of my life. By that, I mean that I accepted Christ's atonement when I was young and believe in it. I did not fully understand what that meant, but I believed in God and believe that there is an afterlife full if beauty and wonder. Over the years of my life I've made a lot of mistakes and have 'sinned' a lot. But I learned a very important thing, namely this, God has never forgotten his word or his promise to me. He has always been faithful. And I know this, all things will be made right; all things will be restored. And I trust him with the rightness of all that is to come.

I would suggest a book for you to read. It is simply a work of fiction, but it paints an incredible picture of the amazing love and kindness of the God I believe in. It's called "The Shack". I am no ones judge. But I trust the One who is. And that One doesn't hate me for who I am. Nor you.

Peace.

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Guest ashleynikole

Hey Lonely,

I can't speak for anyone except myself, but my story tells of my walk and my life and perhaps it will shed a little light on answers you are looking for.

I also can't speak for any "religion" except for the one I have studied and walked the past 20 years and that is that I follow Christ. I do not put stock or faith in those who claim to bear his name, for even Jesus told us that many would come to Him saying, "Lord we did this and that in your name" and he will say, "depart from me, I know you not." Me, I put my faith in Christ, first by trusting, then by seeing and experiencing.

Christ will not condemn you to hell because you're transgender. Christ's words say our unbelief is what condemns us. The bible says those who believe in him shall be saved. I can't give you 100% tangible proof that God exists, nor can I say I am right because of X or Y or Z (Other than look at the marvelous creation all around us). Where would faith be if you could touch and see? All I can do is testify to the changing love of Christ that I have experienced in my life. Not the nice way his followers treat me, no, but the pure, unadulterated, unconditional, accepting love of Christ.

God bless

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Guest Kaylee

I see that I am the late comer... and while I am Atheist... if there is a Higher power.... you were made as he or she planned... not a ,mistake!

Regardless of whatever faith you believe... there is no crime or sin in wishing only to be yourself! This road takes courage... more courage than many people have!

Take comfort in that notion!

Hugs,

Kaylee

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Guest Always Good

Look at it this way... Maybe you'll get hired as a succubus? Or an incubus, your name/status aren't clear on which you would prefer.

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Guest Isabel1991

Oops. Just read my post above and it says touched I hope everyone knows I meant tortured

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Guest GinaInside

Hi Lonely and Lost,

When I was about 5 years old, I became very aware that I was different, and felt like I should have been female. I did'nt understand this, but knew about "God", and I began to pray. I prayed so hard for my nightmare to end. I prayed for God to fix me, one way or another. I would wager I had prayed more to God in the 10 years after I knew, than many religious people do in thier lifetimes.

By the time I was 20, being TS had wrecked my life. I had come to the conclusion that the atheists were right. There is no God. When you croak, it's over, the worms crawl in, the worms crawl out. Kaput, nada, nothing more.

Then, 2 months before my 21st birthday, I was in a motorcycle accident. I hit a car headon, coming around a curve in the mountains. I was placed in a life-flight to El Paso, to a real hospital. On the way, I had an NDE (Near Death Experience), while being "clinically dead" for several minutes.

I became aware that I was sitting up, looking out the window, at rotor blades going by, in slow motion. I thought "Why am I in a helicopter?". I looked around the aircraft to see that I was sitting next to my body, which was strapped to a gurney. Then, I thought "Wow. I'm dead."

Then, in a flash, I was "In The Light". "It/God?Whatever" said "No, you're not dead, you've been here before, you'll be here again". What followed is personal. After which, I awoke in traction, in an ICU ward...

It took me literally years to process that event, and I've heard all the reasons given, by atheist-reductionists, religionists, etc., what they think happened, anb why. They have no idea what happened, but I can tell you this for certain:

1) There is some kind of "Creator", "God", some kind of Ultimate Being, Source of all things.

2) We are Soul Beings, who happen to have bodies, not the other way around.

3) There is some kind of "Afterlife", or "Other Side", Creation, of which we are a part.

It is hard to understand what happened to make us the way we are. Perhaps it was an accident of Nature. For the reasons, I look to science for the answers, and one day, we may have them. Although I do now understand that Creation is real, I do not accept the idea that I am condemned because of what I am.

Which brings me to the topic of "Hell".

Hell, was originally Hel, an ancient Nordic term for the place people went when they died, not a place of condemnation. It upsets religious people when one points out to them, the concept of "Hell" is just one more ancient pagan thing they stole and twisted, but enough of that...

Our "Hell" is the torture we endure being Trans, not something else, and while not exactly about the same thing, there is an old saying, that some attribute to various people: "A man's anger is his Hell". I could amend that...

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Guest Deandra

Hey all

I've come across this topic a few times before about God sending transexuals to hell. But since transexualism is a birth defect God can't send that person to hell. I understand why. Why would a god make you into something that he hates? Same goes for gays, lesbians, and bisexuals. There's no scripture that condemns transexuals specifically. If you're ignorant then you'll point out the scripture, Deuteronomy 22:5. Moving on, will god condemn crossdressers, drag queens etc? Speaking for myself, I choose to crossdress and I love to do it. Am I going to hell because I don't have a birth defect and I'm not following one of god's laws?

Deandra

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VickySGV

Hell is the "heaven" men build in their human lives and expect to continue into the afterlife. C.S, Lewis in his book, The Great Divorce describes the condition, where at death, the answer when we look on God's face is to say God Thy will be done, and if we cannot let go of our worldly life absolutely, then God will tell us "Thy will be done" and God's face will show tears for us, but our will and holding on to life separate us from what is much better.

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Guest Jennifer T

Hell is the "heaven" men build in their human lives and expect to continue into the afterlife. C.S, Lewis in his book, The Great Divorce describes the condition, where at death, the answer when we look on God's face is to say God Thy will be done, and if we cannot let go of our worldly life absolutely, then God will tell us "Thy will be done" and God's face will show tears for us, but our will and holding on to life separate us from what is much better.

Vicky, have you read Lewis' "Till We Have Faces"?

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Guest GUEST..

While I pretty much abhor 'labels', I've been Christian for most of my life. By that, I mean that I accepted Christ's atonement when I was young and believe in it. I did not fully understand what that meant, but I believed in God and believe that there is an afterlife full if beauty and wonder. Over the years of my life I've made a lot of mistakes and have 'sinned' a lot. But I learned a very important thing, namely this, God has never forgotten his word or his promise to me. He has always been faithful. And I know this, all things will be made right; all things will be restored. And I trust him with the rightness of all that is to come.

I would suggest a book for you to read. It is simply a work of fiction, but it paints an incredible picture of the amazing love and kindness of the God I believe in. It's called "The Shack". I am no ones judge. But I trust the One who is. And that One doesn't hate me for who I am. Nor you.

Peace.

I am right there with Jennifer. I believe in God and that he makes everyone a certain way. God made me who I am and I feel that he wants us all to live a life of happiness. Not of shame or fear. I know in my heart that god truly understands who each of us are, and as long as we believe in god, the creator will believe in us.

My prayers go out to everyone here. Amber L.

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Guest Josy

Yes there is a hell.We experience it when we try to deny our female nature and try live a pretend life. We also experience it when we are persecuted by our churches,families,'friends',etc for being true to ourselves.

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Guest LizMarie

If there is a God who deliberately creates people who are LGBT, who then hates and condemns those same people that God made, then I want nothing to do with that God, at all, ever.

But, like Ashley above, I don't think that's how God is at all. If you are trans, then the creator (whoever he/she is) intended for you to be just as you are, so take heart in that.

I often tell the story of a kind old pastor I met who told me that God created transgender people as a test, not of the trans person though it sometimes becomes that, but of the body of Christ itself and its capacity to love, accept, and support everyone. That man told me that, in his opinion, the body of Christ is failing that test so far, and failing pretty badly at that. Food for thought.

Just because some people believe you're going to hell doesn't mean all Christians believe that.

Check out the NALT (Not All Like That) Project and their website. And when you visit that website, note how many Christian organizations are members there. The loud haters get lots of attention, but there are others out there who are with us, support us, who have our backs. We just need to find them.

http://notalllikethat.org/

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Guest Razilee

The Great Divorce it a good book. So too is Descent into Hell by Lewis's friend Charles Williams. I tells of one man's descent into the ungodly and so into hell, everlasting godlessness. It's our actions for good or for evil that send us to Heaven or Hell. (Rom 2:6, Rv 20:12) We ought not to worry about Hell, unless we are doing thing that harm ourselves or others, which is sometime not so easy to know ahead of time, not being gods. He, the One from Whom all femininity, masculinity come, says, "Do not worry about what you are to wear." (Mt 6:25, 31)

Love,

Raz

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Julia70

Lonely and lost,

Hell is denying your self and further more religion is for people afraid of hell and spirituality is for those of us who have been there !

Further more.does not the Bible in genesis claim that "God" is male and female? so as far as Christianity is concerned "God" is one of us

Seriously, I'd be more concerned about "HELL" had you murdered some one (which I'm almost sure you haven't) for your sake STOP with the negative thoughts as thoughts become things and shape our reality and perception and get on with it life is too short love!

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Guest Kim Smith

If all the good words written above are not enough, look to Pope Francis. Instead of condemning, he says "who am I to judge?" Instead of excluding, he directs priests to search their hearts for ways to include.

If the clothes you wear are getting between you and your God then it is a problem for you.

If your clothes get between someone else and their desire to make you conform to their standard of purity, then it is a problem for them.

If they harass you, give them Romans 3:38-39

Kim

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