Intersex and its many forms

[Guest noeleena]

Hi,

A simple ? , maybe not, a few in fact ,

now for many women they are refered to as GG, on quite a few Trans and dresser forums , now of cause we know it means horse,s , yet here is were it goes down hill fast ,

On those forums there are men , women trans and dresser,s okay seems simple yet what is an intersexed person who is a female , some look like females and some more male yet for Govt deparments D B an M = death birth and marrage , your birth certs are female at birth , ( some ) passports and so on ,

yet , on the forums you are not a female GG or accepted as one , Fact of the matter is they refuse to accept some of us as female , now why is it not accepted in the States as was confermed to myself about 2 years ago when i asked this ? would i be acceped being an intersexed female, answer was a very . STRONG ....NO...Oh dear, now that to myself was as low as you could go kick in the front,

yet in the real world were i lve and the many people i know and that include,s over 1500 from our many groups im a member of just accept im a normal female so why do many of those men yes ...men....cant accept we are born different yet are female in mind thinking and hormones and surgerys to correct our organs .

Had my birth certs been correct and stated at birth intersex i would have had a few less issues to work through , as is now the case in our counrty in Germany ,if your intersex your bith of .... will be set aside till you are of age to say then it can be writen in what you are M, F or IT.

Im very disapointed in the attitude being displayed to my self and others , yet im involved with women on our women only forums so why is acceptance so hard for the trans and some dresser,s

Insecurity , lack of selfesteem , cant accept others who are different, yet they keep saying they wont socity and or demand they be accepted and wont what we have in real life yet cannot accept intersexed people and more so those of us who are women ..

Time for answers and more so now as we are a people who can be counted as normal ,

...noeleena...

[Charlize]

Thank you for posting Noeleena.

As an intersected person you should be able to simply choose your gender. I agree that the birth certificate should remain blank. I can't imagine why our society is as closed minded as it is especially for your situation. As a trans woman i can understand some reluctance but i'm sorry that you experience that as well. Things are gradually improving in many countries and societies. I know gradually doesn't help, nor does it erase past slights. We want a different perception now! Saying that,i n my lifetime the changes have been enormous. I look at my grandkids and pray they will see even more growth in the humanity of the world.

Hugs,

Charlize

[Bulldog1948]

One very serious problem usually arises for an intersex child. Many drs more or less demand that any physical genital deformity be fixed so it will either fit into the female or male catagory and unfortunately an infant can not speak up and say Leave My Stuff alone until I decide what I want to do with it. Thus, many are butchered and thrown into the wrong sex group.

I don't care if they wop off something in the genital area and now decllare it a female because it was the easier of 2 gential surgeries. But, if that infant is hard-wired in the brain to be male, he is going to be male thinking, no mater if you build him matching twin vaginias. I do not beleive that it's possible to change an actual hard-wired person into the opposite sex unless, they want to change over and that should always be a personal decision.

I hope that I've made some sense here. I have tried

AS for me, I have always been hard-wired male and mostly live my live as a male for the past 50 years

[Guest noeleena]

Hi.

Thank you both ,

Yes because we dont conform to a set of rules that a few people who should now know better still have not got it , yes some of us have been to the butcher, , i dont think i was one who did, though i cant get access to my records to see why i was in the sick house so much - hostpital any way does not matter now ,

yes i understand what your both saying , and thank you ,

...noeleena...