Jump to content
  • Welcome to the TransPulse Forums!

    We offer a safe, inclusive community for transgender and gender non-conforming folks, as well as their loved ones, to find support and information.  Join today!

Archived

This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.

Danee

Two Spirit Individuals

Recommended Posts

Danee

I found this article describing early indigenous cultures having two spirited individuals that were revered as healers and caregivers. Before European colonization of course. :/ I was happy to discover that it's slowly making a comeback as it was part of the culture.

http://www.dancingtoeaglespiritsociety.org/twospirit.php

The second article in has a photo documentary of modern day two spirit gatherings.

Share this post


Link to post
Guest Denise007

I've been in the company of more then a few Native American persons that were quite old. I've been told I have an old spirit without my telling i was trans. For a time I bought into the idea that I'm 2 not one person and spirit. It seemed right at that time, and I like so many of us, had no idea that male and female can exist as one person or spirit. Now for me to think or try think of myself as 2 can just; well can give me a migraine!

I see way too many TGs talk in the 3rd person or refer to their female self. I'm sorry, that way of thinking just doesn't work in the long term for me. (opinion)

Share this post


Link to post
VickySGV

I am a member of a Transgender Spirit Circle where we accept many of the old beliefs as the basis for working out the conflicts that we encounter in our daily lives as Trans* people who are at a wide range of places in our lives. I even have some posts here that talk about this, including a few in conversation with one of our members who has been more fully trained in "The Ways" of First Nations spirituality. This is not a way for everyone who is Trans* to find what they need, but the overwhelming concept of acceptance, especially in the early phases of discovery, can give something that few have had before then and give permission for becoming fully open if only to a small group. I know it has saved lives for those who have been there. I am several generations away from the Full Blood of my Native American ancestry, but I felt it and embraced it long before I even suspected that my discomfort with life was based on my being Trans*. For many Trans* people I know today, it is an opening and a point of beginning. They feel excluded from many spiritual avenues in the beginning of their journeys and that exclusion also makes it harder for them to seek adequate counseling from qualified professional help.

Trans* is not a one-size, one-way only life. Things have and do change almost from day to day.

Share this post


Link to post
Danee

I've met a two-spirited individual, one born with both sexes. I was glad that they took their time to explore all aspects of both genders. Their an interesting person. And it gave me a new way of looking at the whole spectrum of lifestyles that fall under the gender fluid to TG way of life.

Reading this article made me proud to be Metis. I hope to one day bring my wife to one of these gatherings. I think it would be healing for both of us. Is there a Transgender spirit circle in Canada that you know of?

Share this post


Link to post
Charlize

Danee, This is certainly something that you as a Metis can be proud of. The idea of two spirit is a First Nation concept. I recently read an article about how many in the Native American population are upset about the concept being usurped by the anglo population. That seemed a pity to me as it described the lives of so many of us.

Hugs,

Charlize

Share this post


Link to post
VickySGV

Reading this article made me proud to be Metis. I hope to one day bring my wife to one of these gatherings. I think it would be healing for both of us. Is there a Transgender spirit circle in Canada that you know of?

I do not know of any in Canada I am sorry to say, but I would think that there would be one or more. The circle I am part of is very small one in North Carolina and I live in California. It is possible that a call to a Tribal center would get that information, and who knows but that you might even start one!!

Share this post


Link to post
Guest noeleena

Hi ,

As a ? i wonder why western socitey at large , though when i think about it i doubt one can blame society as a whole so comes down to who started to control how people accepted things such as people like us , I know with my interaction with some people they cant or don't wont to accept a difference we have and have stated very strongly they wont accept us ,

And even when explaining why one is different , its like western thinking has been blocked off , sad to say they belive what they have been taught .and they wont check the facts out to find out ,

A good write up and I have read some many years ago ,

...noeleena...

Share this post


Link to post
Danee

That's one thing I love about traditional First Nation culture. They are accepting of all cultures, races and different gender/ sexual orientations.

I guess I could go to the Thunderbird house and ask them. They might know of a group here.

Share this post


Link to post
Guest noeleena

Hi Danee,

Thank you .

I.m fortunate in having many friends who just accept what i am and who I am as a person yet they know my difference yet does not come into what we talk about , unless an other matter is brought up that comes with in my difference other wise im just a normal female bottom line is im not and do they care no, ,

I know over the years each group I,v become a member of some 8 and I'm put incharge of different aspects and two others doing cooking for many 100,s of people and you have a working staff of 15 who are your responcibilty then that says something in your favour and it happens so many times ,

I never ever thought would I be accepted let alone be given charge of so much and people ,, it certainly humbled me .

...noeleena...

Share this post


Link to post
Danee

Hopefully some day soon that will be the case for me and my wife as well. I'm still trying to sort out how to tell people. I've had mixed reactions. Most of Jiszka's have been positive except her mother.

Share this post


Link to post
Cyndee

This is all good, I know these folks are really on to something, and I have met one of their founding members and she speaks an authentic language. There really is a spiritual aspect to fixing ones "gender issues", it's far more complex than simple medical explanations and treatments.

http://transspiritcouncil.org/

Incorporate all the belief's of native American two spirit culture into a registered, recognized "Religion", once designated a religion or faith, it's members and those who practice could be trans of any other faith(s) for that matter and would receive protections of practicing these faiths under constitution of this country. We are free to practice our religion of "two spiritness" and therefor gain all rights afforded a religion in this country. We therefor use our "Religious Freedom" to be who were are, same as those that would use the same argument to discriminate against us. The members of this church would not be discriminatory however and would practice and promote inclusiveness of all people.

C -

Share this post


Link to post
TeamEffort

I've been posting over in the Native Two Spirit area because I didn't see this here, but it's simply who and what we are -- we're not trying to "appropriate" anything by saying "Two Spirit." It's a perfect description that has no western equivalent. We are us, a pair that works through one body, male and female both. Literally two separate spirits in one body. The spiritual aspects are also completely accurate for what we do and how we work (spirit realm travels, healing others, energy work), we just can't and don't do it inside a Native framework.

If there's a better way of describing having literally two spirits in one body than with the English words "two spirit" I'd love to hear it. Also, hello and we would love to meet more like us.

Share this post


Link to post

  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    No registered users viewing this page.

  • Who's Online   9 Members, 0 Anonymous, 99 Guests (See full list)

    • MaryMary
    • ShawnaLeigh
    • VickySGV
    • J.Ryan
    • MaryEllen
    • JJ
    • Markjvp
    • Jackie C.
    • A. Dillon
  • Topics With Zero Replies

  • Forum Statistics

    • Total Topics
      70,014
    • Total Posts
      633,306
  • Member Statistics

    • Total Members
      6,306
    • Most Online
      8,356

    Mike P
    Newest Member
    Mike P
    Joined
  • Today's Birthdays

    1. Carolyn Marie
      Carolyn Marie
      (66 years old)
    2. Makayla2019
      Makayla2019
    3. SteamGirlEva
      SteamGirlEva
      (30 years old)
  • Posts

    • ShawnaLeigh
      Honestly I feel uncomfortable talking about high school and how I was.  I always feel like I am boosting.  I mean it was basically a very good male high school experience packed full of life!   If I had known then what I know now about myself I wonder how different I would of been.   My young adult hood wasn’t terrible until my marriage/divorce Massive child support years.  That’s tragic.  Lol
    • Susan R
      This is very true.  There are changes that I don’t feel I can talk about because it is so subjective and unprovable.  Add the fact that everyone has a different experience to some degree and you have a recipe for doubt and possible ridicule from others.   Actually Kathy, this “lightness and joy” is a very good description of my general feeling while being on E.  Although prior to E (and medical transition), I was somewhat depressed and had a deep rooted anger that was present under it all.  Also, for someone my age, I had a high pre-transition T level (835ng/dL).  So being down at 17ng/dL now, I’ve noticed very little desire to compete to the death (lol) with others and even with myself like I once did.  That has reduced my overall stress immensely and has allowed me to stay calm in situations that normally would’ve had me raging.   Emotions are closer now to the surface with the exception of anger (I’m happy about that).  Some emotions like are less controllable as some have mentioned.  These new feelings make it easier for me to empathize, apologize and forgive others much easier now.  I like the new emotional me and so does my wife.  It works well with my personality.   Susan R🌷
    • Taylor
      It'll be hard to say until it happens, though if it has to do with weight loss and muscle mass, I'm not sure I'll lose all that much (I'm kind of a beanpole as it is). Though I will definitely keep in mind to exercise, more to prevent losing too much muscle mass.     I'm glad others find it interesting . Personally mental/emotional changes weren't immediate, sounds more or less the same for those who have shared so far. Though it does sound like it kicks in relatively early on (within the first month or so). The only possible experience I have with this so far is occasionally my eyes tear up a bit. It's far from crying. I don't really have any emotion (that I sense) attached to it, just a little wetness. Not even positive its related to HRT, but I don't recall it happening (at least not nearly this frequent) before.   I appreciate people contributing so much to this. Thanks, Taylor
    • KathyLauren
      It took me a while to notice the emotional changes, because they were really subtle.  I suspect they probably happened in the first week or two, but it took me longer than that to be aware of them.   Right now, I have been off my E for a week, due to upcoming surgery.  What I noticed coming off it (because I was looking for it) is that my emotions have gone "flat" and "heavy".  Sorry, I can't describe it any better than that.  I feel none of the lightness and joy that I have felt for the last three years.  This is what I felt pre-transition.  I know in my head that I am in a better place now, but for the time being, I don't feel it.   I presume that the change starting E happened in about the same time frame as stopping it: about a week, maybe two.   Regards, Kathy
    • Jani
      Welcome Ava!  I'm happy to see you here.  I'm former Navy.  Please join in, I think you'll find this a kind and caring place with knowledgeable members.   Cheers, Jani
    • MaryMary
      welcome here I'm happy you found us
    • Avalynn808
      Aloha fam!    Just wanted to introduce myself, and let you know I'm super excited to be a part of this wonderful community!   I'm an Active Duty Navy Chief, with 11 years of service so far.  I started my transition in August of 2018, and got my diagnosis that November.  I started HRT in April 2019, and have grown so much since.  As a member of multiple communities, to include SPART*A Trans on Facebook, as well as all the major social media platforms, I wanted to reach out here and continue spreading positivity.  I have A LOT of knowledge about the policies and procedures for the Department of Defense as a whole.  So if there are any questions, concerns, or you are just wanting someone to talk to, please feel free to reach out to me!   See my interests/bio for more info about me.  Again, I'm super happy to be here, and look forward to chatting with you all! Hugs! 😊💖 -Ava
    • MaryMary
      the funny thing is that I could talk a lot about emotionnal changes but in my life this subject was so controversial and impossible to prove scientifically that I mostly kept all the mental/emotionnal changes to myself so far. I could talk a lot about it and it fascinate me but I feel that if you do that you often get a sceptical eye hahaha
    • MaryMary
      for me it took a couple of weeks to have the full mental effects. It's easy to not realize it's there depending on your personnality. It's also very controversial to even mention this IRL, lol All I can say it's that it's there. I mainly observed this in the beginning because of how my gut reaction to daily parenthood changed. To me it's really like a second puberty, it's the best way I can describe it. I remember having one on one meetings with my boss and being incapable of stopping myself from crying. It was totally unwanted and very far from the frozen/dissociated/cold me from the past.  Contrary to cis woman you have 0 experience with dealing with it so it can be surprising and I know that I was a little ... unstable... in the beginning. You do learn some tricks after a while to control your hormones.
    • MaryMary
      if, like me, you have 0 T or almost then you can take P that can potentially help you gain some libido depending on your genetics. (or at least that's what I understood from my doctor)
    • MaryMary
      Before HRT the adrenal gland and the testicles are producing. Hrt blocks T from those sources and replace it by E GRS removes testicles and you take meds to have E Some doctors like mine will make me stop E once I'm old enough and all feminizing effects are done.
    • DeeDee
      This is a really fascinating thread. Thanks for starting it Taylor  I would be interested in the mental and emotional changes with HRT, was it immediate or did it take a while for your body to adjust not having T anymore?
    • MaryMary
      synthetic estrogen and T are pure forms of their respective hormones. A small percentage of testosterone is made in the adrenal glands on top of our kidneys. About 5% I think. According to my blood tests I'm not sure my liver was producing that much but hey, that's what I'm reading. I know that my doctor is trying to put my numbers near those of cis people but I have like... 99% E and 1 % T which is probably more E then a cis woman. That must be why I have 0 libido, lol That's the reason why you need a doctor for this (I know it's obvious) because it can be hard to match numbers of cis people, much harder then you might expect...
    • Jackie C.
      It's not dramatic by any means,  but yes I've lost about half a shoe size.  Of course that makes me a women's 13. Keeping in mind that I specifically started working out to keep from losing too much muscle mass and to keep myself from gaining too much weight from the HRT. Then it was a certain amount of body pride because I wanted to look nice.   So yeah, half a shoe size.    Hugs!
    • MaryMary
      wow, we took roads that are so different to us coming out and be ourselves. That's so interesting to me. Thanks a lot for sharing.   the jock who went in the USAF and the effiminate (insert pejorative word here) who studied in litterature and was part of a poetry club. lol that's so amazing
  • Upcoming Events

×
×
  • Create New...