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Carolyn Marie

A Message From Joseph Smith?

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Carolyn Marie

While on a tour of National Parks and Monuments in the heartland, our tour bus stopped in Salt Lake City, which was our end point.  Before disembarking at our hotel, the itinerary included a stop at the Mormon Tabernacle.  It's a beautiful site, and I like that kind of architecture, so I joined the group to tour the grounds.  Anyway, the alternative was sitting on the bus.

If I had known it was going to be a one-hour proselytizing session by four young missionaries, I would have toured the place on my own. I sat through it to be polite, knowing all the while that the young ladies would not approve of me had they but known.

We stopped outside for another bit of lecture before departing.  I spied a lovely drinking fountain and turned it on.  It made some peculiar gurgling noises and sputtered, i took a big gulp of water and immediately began coughing and choking, which wasn't helped at all by my son's barely suppressed laughter at my discomfort.

After a minute or two I regained my breath, and composure, and left the grounds of the LDS church unharmed.  But I will always wonder if old Mr. Smith was trying to send me a message.  Or worse yet, maybe he was trying to send me somewhere more...um...permanent.  Alas for him, I survived the ordeal to live another day.

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Carolyn Marie

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VickySGV

Old Josephus was just trying to baptize you into the faith there.  At least that is the way it sounds to me.  The Tabernacle is a beautiful building with an interesting background, and yes the Mormon Pioneers did go through some really rough traveling to get to Salt Lake City.  They were a pretty salty bunch of survivors.  There are aspects of their modern day faith that do cause problems IRL, especially for LGBT etc, and women as a whole.  SIGH!!

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Briana

Oh dear, true perhaps.  I get them at the door from time to time.  Them and Jehovah's.   I love answering the door.  ;-)

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Carolyn Marie

I've seen both JW's and LDS members at the local farmer's market every Saturday, or they come to my door, and I've come close to outing myself just to see their reaction.  But my better (and more cautious) nature reminds me that courting trouble is rarely a good idea, so I haven't  yet succumbed to temptation.  One of these days though...

Carolyn Marie

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Guest noeleena

Hi,

 

Oh how interesting , so the outing of ones self  , that sounds funny to me  ,,,,,okay to maybe see another side,

Mormon,s  seems like to me any way ether they are blind or don't know or don't care, I have talked to quite  afew over the years  and they don't seem to be bothered that im different .so how do  they see myself then as male or female ,I,v never asked ,

 not bothered any way,

 

okay the JW,s  different again , im well known and accepted  more accepted than I ever thought  as I do know their teachings  so I was surprised they treat me as normal , yes they know my  background  what I will say is I have had long talks with them  and they know im a female that's different ,

 

any way the surprise is,  one lovely lady said to me she was sorry I was born how I was , and had pitied  me I said oh please don't because I really am happy being the way I am  and who I am, I get the impression that some because they don't understand intersex and what it means for us, 

 

 in my case as a female they are sort of in the dark about us  again teaching is lacking , and remember most people  have little or no understanding of us , so when they see how I live what im involved with and who ,  I hope any way it will show them we are quite normal ,

 

This is lovely ,

the women have no hesitation  to give me a hug as my  friends do, I treat them as... my...  friends like many other,s 

are they trying to get me to join them and their way of life   ,,,,NO,,,, not at all.

 

Being friends is what I,m about,

 

...Noeleena...

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Alejandra
On ‎9‎/‎18‎/‎2016 at 10:18 PM, VickySGV said:

There are aspects of their modern day faith that do cause problems IRL, especially for LGBT etc, and women as a whole.  SIGH!!

Really? I attended the U. of Utah and lived in SLC for several years and found the Mormons to be some of the nicest, most accepting people that I have ever met. I came very close to marrying one.  As it turned out, he was just not quite right for me and it was very painful for both of us when our relationship ended.  Sometimes I have to wonder if for some,  being trans, or being "different", or seeing themselves as victimized or stigmatized, doesn't get in their way of just accepting themselves and others.  Sometimes people can be their own worst enemies.

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Guest Clair Dufour

Mormons are far more tolerant than than most as long as you stay out of their church and even  then, if you must, just don't do it in public. Next weekend is Moab Pride far enough  from Salt Lake City that nobody cares if your wearing underwear.

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Carolyn Marie
1 hour ago, Alejandra said:

Really? I attended the U. of Utah and lived in SLC for several years and found the Mormons to be some of the nicest, most accepting people that I have ever met. I came very close to marrying one.  As it turned out, he was just not quite right for me and it was very painful for both of us when our relationship ended.  Sometimes I have to wonder if for some,  being trans, or being "different", or seeing themselves as victimized or stigmatized, doesn't get in their way of just accepting themselves and others.  Sometimes people can be their own worst enemies.

Alejandra, you are undoubtedly right about individual members of the LDS church.  Everyone is their own complex person, and stereotypes are rarely, if ever, accurate, which is why they are stereotypes.

I think what Vicky, and many others, are referring to when they talk about the LDS and other institutions, is the policies set by and enforced by the leadership of the church, and the precepts that govern their behavior and public stances.  I have talked to, and counseled, far too many members (and former members) of the LDS who felt betrayed by their church and were denied the comfort of their faith when they came out to Church elders or transitioned, to ever give them a pass as a supportive entity to trans folk.  There are exceptions to everything, but my feelings are based on the experiences relayed to me of a great many people.

Carolyn Marie

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Alejandra

I agree. It is generally not helpful to make gross generalizations.  On the other hand I also find it rather unseemly to make light of other people's faith. And just for the record I have no clue how the LDS Church " cause problems IRL, especially for LGBT etc, and women as a whole."

It is my understanding that LDS Church views gays as sinners in need of love and redemption. As for women...? 

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VickySGV
14 hours ago, Alejandra said:

I agree. It is generally not helpful to make gross generalizations.  On the other hand I also find it rather unseemly to make light of other people's faith. And just for the record I have no clue how the LDS Church " cause problems IRL, especially for LGBT etc, and women as a whole."

It is my understanding that LDS Church views gays as sinners in need of love and redemption. As for women...? 

Perhaps you need to take some time to look at this sub-forum in the Spirituality Forum, since much of this was posted by LDS members.

http://www.lauras-playground.com/forums/forum/104-mormons/

I have had over 50 years of close relations with the LDS church and actually honor and respect much of who and how they are.  I have friends in the church whom I value even though since my transition we have grown distant when they have realized that I am firm in my own religious faith.  Never the less, I have learned much about their "inner workings" that non LDS people never learn, and with all love and respect for my friends who do subscribe and are members of the, can still say what you have found problematic. 

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I have a friend of some fifty years who is a bishop in the LDS church.  I've always admired the way he lives in accordance with his faith.  He's never once proselytized the religion, unless you count writing "God bless you" at the end of his emails.  People say that when I sneeze, so it's okay.

My wife's brother married a Mormon 27 years ago but never converted.  She and the three children are really into it, almost to the point of seeming robotic sometimes.  But they're all likeable nonetheless.

I, having been exposed to all sorts of denominations as the child of a lifelong church organist, have no interest in religion whatsoever.  However, I know the value of faith and begrudge no one the right to believe whatever he or she wants to.  Just don't use it as a weapon against me.

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Alejandra
8 hours ago, VickySGV said:

Perhaps you need to take some time to look at this sub-forum in the Spirituality Forum, since much of this was posted by LDS members.

http://www.lauras-playground.com/forums/forum/104-mormons/

I have had over 50 years of close relations with the LDS church and actually honor and respect much of who and how they are.  I have friends in the church whom I value even though since my transition we have grown distant when they have realized that I am firm in my own religious faith.  Never the less, I have learned much about their "inner workings" that non LDS people never learn, and with all love and respect for my friends who do subscribe and are members of the, can still say what you have found problematic. 

OK. So, at your suggestion I went back and read over several of the posts and comments in the above noted forum.  I must have missed something because it seems to me that the only problem is that The LDS Church does not recognize change of gender as the trans-community would like it recognized.  Beyond that it just seems that they take their vows before God to be a serious matter and that renouncing those vows has consequences within their church.

I am not here to argue the merits of those beliefs, I just find it offensive to make light of an individual's deeply held articles of faith.  It has been my experience that those who do not subscribe to the particular tenants of a particular church are free to find another more accepting congregation.

And finally, I am unclear as to just what it is that you find "problematic" about my views.

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