Trans Woma Pleads Guilty to Restroom Voyeurism

[JJ]

Actually I don't equate professional education and credentials with how one chooses to see and express ones self in terms of identity and/or orientation. Apples and oranges from my perspective and my meaning in my post.

[Briana]

5 hours ago, Alejandra said:

So if I say I am a doctor, I can operate on you, or if I say I am a pilot, I can fly an airliner?  How is that any different from my husband claiming to be a woman?

Alejandra, really???  A doctor has a minimum of 8 years schooling, and 2-3 years of residency and for surgery it's even more.  They also have to pass standardized board exams and are licensed.  You can't just walk in and do surgery.  Pilots... Let's see; they have specific training they have to pass and are licensed. 

No training, education, board exams etc. are necessary for someone to be transgendered.  You're getting close to why I've avoided other similar forums that I've checked out/considered.  I believe it's detrimental to all when you start to get the "we're better than you cause we've done x,y & z and you've only done a,b & c".  It's not helpful or productive or positive.  It's divisive and "tear-down" thinking & behavior.  

As far as what Carolyn said, I think you might have taken that out of context.  I think she was pointing out a common well know issues among TG/CD people. And there's a BIG difference between cross dressers and gender queer vs. pervert, voyeur, pedophile, fetishist.  They're mutually exclusive groups. 

[Briana]

...And what Johnny said!  Didn't see that post but I agree 100%. 

[Dragonmyst]

Honestly, she is probably transgender. If there is one thing I have learned being a janitor (I am in and out of both men and women's restrooms so often to clean that they have lost any significance to me) it is that people don't need an excuse to wreak havoc in restrooms that aren't theirs. They won't claim to be transgender if they arent in hopes of getting away with something. If someone will enter the men's restroom to clog a toilet, then do the exact same thing in the exact same way in the women's at the same time, just for the simple joy of clogging it, then they will have no qualms about entering the restroom to do worse, and they won't say that they are trans to get away with it either. Bathrooms have ceased to be sacred to me long ago. This lady is a criminal, and thus she should be punished to the full extent of the law, but I highly doubt she wasn't trans. That should have no bearing on it, since being trans doesn't mean we can't be bad people or commit crimes. I wish media didn't even mention that she was, since it doesn't have any bearing on the crime committed, but news sites like sensationalism, even if it comes at a cost of hurting innocent people. 

[Ravin]

Alejandra,  you have made a false equivalency between professional occupations (pilot, doctor), and gender identity. That's like comparing apples and igneous rocks.

 

CM made a legitimate point, not necessarily speaking for herself, but observing that for many transgender/transsexual people, they do not see a commonality between themselves and the lived experiences of others whose identity and histories are different from theirs.

Things like being a pedophile have nothing to do with gender identity. I have no doubt that their are transgender pedophiles out there in the world. Pedophilia is not a gender identity and is something that is an independent variable with respect to gender identity. Being trans does not immunize people against the potential for wrongdoing.

 

The important take away message, though, which is counter to what the bathroom bill lobby would have people believe, is that being trans does not make one any more likely to be any of the above you listed than being cisgender does.

[Sakura]

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On 10/21/2016 at 5:31 PM, Dragonmyst said:

Honestly, she is probably transgender. If there is one thing I have learned being a janitor (I am in and out of both men and women's restrooms so often to clean that they have lost any significance to me) it is that people don't need an excuse to wreak havoc in restrooms that aren't theirs. They won't claim to be transgender if they arent in hopes of getting away with something. If someone will enter the men's restroom to clog a toilet, then do the exact same thing in the exact same way in the women's at the same time, just for the simple joy of clogging it, then they will have no qualms about entering the restroom to do worse, and they won't say that they are trans to get away with it either. Bathrooms have ceased to be sacred to me long ago. This lady is a criminal, and thus she should be punished to the full extent of the law, but I highly doubt she wasn't trans. That should have no bearing on it, since being trans doesn't mean we can't be bad people or commit crimes. I wish media didn't even mention that she was, since it doesn't have any bearing on the crime committed, but news sites like sensationalism, even if it comes at a cost of hurting innocent people. 

 I look at the criminology behind the crime committed. When Men or Women commit a crime specifically a sex based crime, gender usualy is the separating factor in the motive behind it. Take Voyeurism for example. Men commit the crime almost wholey for the reason of sexual gratification. as were women do it out of social malice ( body shaming) This person quoted as saying " I did it for the same reason men go online to view pornography" To me this presents male orientated motive to the crime.  Going into a private space where some one is at their most vulnerable taking pictures of their naked body so you can self gratification or splash it all over the web for others to self gratification to it isn't even in the same ballpark as clogging a toilet.

[Dragonmyst]

I wasn't belittleing the crime. It is massively more serious than a clogged toilet. I am just saying that someone wouldn't claim to be trans in order to get in, because people will already enter the restrooms of the wrong gender even for the smallest things, that don't carry a sentence, why would they lie? Why wouldn't they just go " I got caught" if they weren't really trans? That doesn't make sense to me. Also, there are many female voyeurs and exhibitionists out there for sexual gratification. Gendering someone based on what crime they did isn't exactly reliable. I think she is trans, but what she did is unforgivable for the crime she committed. She should get the maximum sentance. Saying that a transperson can't commit a crime is like when the gay and lesbian community cover up abuse and std problems because they don't want the cishet world knowing that the problems EXIST. Is this common? No. Will it ever be common? No. Is it possible that a transwoman could do it? Yes. Does that mean all or most transwomen are potential criminals? No. I don't want to be associated with her, but I don't think she deserves to have her identity invalidated by the trans community because we don't want to be associated with her for very valid reasons.

[Sakura]

 to say that it is something no body would do seems like a stretch in the extreme. I remember a story several years ago. Two adult men where having sex with a under aged boy they had met on the internet supposedly a run away I think , they got the idea to attempt to enroll him in school to lure other boys to their house for obvious reasons. This plan was thwarted not because they got caught but because when they attempted to enroll him. the staff at the school realized  the " boy" was older than he was claiming, significantly older. if I remember correctly nearly in his 30s. The two older guys were not upset that they got caught they were instead upset that they were not having sex with a young boy. So I have come to realize people particularly criminals can do some damn weird things  to get what they want. Throwing on a dress and a wig likely isn't to far out side the realm of plausibility.

I am not saying this person is or isn't trans don't know enough about them. but I have been in transition a very long time now I have interacted with lots and lots and lots of trans type people . This web site alone we mods arn't here just to approve posts. I would need 10 sets of hands to count how many sexual deviant predatory "trans " people I my self have personally banned from this site over the years. In the real world I was very nearly sexually assaulted by another "trans' person back when I was younger and more naive before I realized that there are a number of dangerous people that wear the trans moniker.  What I am saying though is good or bad legitimately male or female we are now measured as a whole by the actions of the few. People(womens) fear is that this sorta thing can happen by us being in womens only spaces and all this "trans" person as done has confirmed those fears thrown fuel on the fire and given ammo to use against us. I think it would be even more damning if this person is not trans as it would show that it is a valid tactic for predators to us.aAnd who gets left to take the fall for it ?