Knees

[Guest toro]

I've been on a quest for perfect, skinny legs for a while and thank god for my lucky asian genes (no offense intended towards anyone, just my subjective approach on legs), I can make it possible. I now officially have nice, slender legs with good and fair curves but I have only one problem. When I sit with my legs bent my legs look perfect, but when my legs are straight, my knees tend to look out of place. The dark, manly look as you may say. I think it has a bit to do with the bone structure of the male kneecaps and not to be someone spamming the forum with random, useless questions that don't need to be asked; but does anyone have any ideas for this problem? Otherwise I guess I can pull of a near flawless MTF.

Thanks a lot for the help everyone, I truly appreciate it.

..and woohoo! I'm done with my finals!

[Guest ~Brenda~]

Toro,

I think that your concerns about your knees are purely subjective. I am sure that your legs look just fine sitting and standing.

Don't pick yourself apart.

Brenda

[Guest sarah f]

I have to agree with Brenda on this one. Don't beat yourself up on the little things. We are our own toughest critics when it comes to our bodies. I am sure your knees look just great with the rest of your legs.

Love,

Sarah F

[Guest viv]

Hello Toro,

Have you ever noticed hun ,,a womans knees look small cos her thighs

can be pretty big in comparison to the rest of her legs ,,there"s a tapering from

buttock to ankle,,,,,that"s what us girls here are looking for ,luv,viv

[Guest Donna Jean]

Yep...women's knees look smaller due to the fat around them that gives them a smooth and blended look...men's knees tend to look "knobby".

HUGGS!

Donna Jean

[Guest Nelly]

Hi,

yes, the upper leg of man looks skinny compared to one of a woman. Also woman store fat in the skin. That make a knee look smoother than that of a man.

I also have nice and skinny legs and up to know I am happy with my knees. But my legs compared to the upper half of the body are much to skinny for a girl. So HRT will help I hope.

Greetings

Nelly

[Guest Elizabeth K]

Well - just a note of personal experience.

On HRT coming up on 14 months - great results. One of the first things I noted in the female fat distributuion that I am now experiencing, my knobby ankles disappeared and so did my skinny knee caps - so it DOES change - took about 6 months for me. BUT my thighs and hips are VERY SLOW in getting fleshed out. AND they ARE doing so. I bought girl jeans size 16 - had to go to 18 to allow for a bigger butt! Not that noticaable yet - "but," it is happening (no pun intended!)

I want to lose in my waist - go back to that 16 - maybe a 14W.

I suspect it will, like my breasts, take about 6 to 7 years to fully evolve. So many girls are so 'boyish' in their hips at first. I am actually only a 16 year old girl in development! Starting late like i did my therapist is ticked about the fact, she says, my boobs will never get droopy! 62 year old woman with 'pert' breasts - wow!

But don't worry - the female fleshing out is a result of the new chemistry.

HOWEVER- the old male fat distribution does NOT go away on its own. You must lose that male weight and then when you gain some back it come in like you want it, as a woman, your birthright - your curves - FINALLY.

AND

Your hips are set at that male angle - you cannot change your bones! So the end result will be very close, but not exact.

Hope this helps

LIZZY

[Guest Nelly]

HOWEVER- the old male fat distribution does NOT go away on its own. You must lose that male weight and then when you gain some back it come in like you want it, as a woman, your birthright - your curves - FINALLY.

So to transit perfect we have to loss as much male fat before HRT as possible and than eat a lot to place female fat. If we try to loss male fat durring HRT it will not work. So it is not a shifting of fat inside the body, it is removing male fat and adding new female fat.

I think it is also usefull to diet before HRT. With a male body it is much more easier to burn fat. The daily energy amount is 2500 kcal. For a female it is only 2000 and than if we not stop eating like a man, we get bigger and bigger.

Some years ago you could see young girls (14-16) with a very tiny butt but a lot of fat above the jeans. They shot them into 2-3 sizes smaller to get that tight fitting look for the jeans, but the fat above destroyed the hole image. It look like a anti waist.

Greetings

Nelly

[Guest nymphblossom]

I have heard from people who have had knee replacements that the joint is physically different between men and women. I know a woman who was one of the first people to have the surgery before the doctors realized there was an anatomical difference. She actually had to have the joint replaced because she could not walk properly. So, I would suspect there are also differences in the skeletal characteristics of the knee cap that will not be affected by HRT.

Blossom

[Guest nymphblossom]

Elizabeth K wrote:

Your hips are set at that male angle - you cannot change your bones

You cannot change bones, but soft tissue changes in ligaments, tendons and muscles can have pronounced effects on apparent skeletal characteristics. I have read several reported cases of hip rotation and an ensuing change in the way people walk , smaller shoe sizes and decreases in height after years of HRT.

Blossom

[Guest Donna Jean]

I got my hips replaced in 1986....had I been smart, I should of told then to space them out another inch or two! Dang!

But, my knees are bad, too.....

This time if I get them done, I WILL demand woman's knees!!!!!

After all, I am a woman!

HUGGS!

Donna Jean

[Guest Elizabeth K]

Yes - the bones tend to remain as they originally developed, but the soft tissue and ligaments ALSO realign from weight loss and posture change. My shoulders narrowed somewhat - making my neck look better - but it was losing 36 pounds plus all my muscle mass atrophying from the lack of testosterone. They slope at a slightly different angle now.

Yes - Google skeletal difference between female and male - but other than size, there are few cues. It can be difficult to identify sex of a person from a skeleton. Humans vary so much! There are small boned, delicate men and robust, large boned women in the world. There is usually such an overlap we trans can still accomplish transition without trouble.

Thank goodness for that! I am tall - but I see women almost as tall or even taller than I am - about half a percent (1 in 200) maybe. I know I pass as a very tall woman. BUT I pass!

And yes - for any hip, knee or otherwise replacement! Be gender speciific! "I'll have what she is having."

HA!

Lizzy

[Shannonline]

The dark, manly look as you may say....

I guess I can't relate to this issue personally I've never noticed this skin tone difference in anyone, but yeah like everyone has said we are our harshest critics so really your legs are no doubt perfectly normal in others eyes.. well at least to non-asians!

What did your mum say about it? Or did she just butter you??

[Guest toro]

Nobody knows about this. In everyone elses' eyes I'm just a feminine metro sexual with long hair and a girly face. Thanks for the replies everyone, it really helped.

[Guest i is Sam :-)]

So to transit perfect we have to loss as much male fat before HRT as possible and than eat a lot to place female fat. If we try to loss male fat durring HRT it will not work. So it is not a shifting of fat inside the body, it is removing male fat and adding new female fat.

I think it is also usefull to diet before HRT. With a male body it is much more easier to burn fat. The daily energy amount is 2500 kcal. For a female it is only 2000 and than if we not stop eating like a man, we get bigger and bigger.

Some years ago you could see young girls (14-16) with a very tiny butt but a lot of fat above the jeans. They shot them into 2-3 sizes smaller to get that tight fitting look for the jeans, but the fat above destroyed the hole image. It look like a anti waist.

Greetings

Nelly

Actually you can continue to loose weight on HRT and it will come off the male areas first, because your body is no longer programmed to put it there so it wants rid of it. But obviously if you say eat 2000 calories and then do 2000 calories worth of work, you'll just burn off what you ate and never touch your stored fat, so I guess for redistribution you'd have to binge and then workout like mad for a few days, in a cycle, which can't be terribly healthy.

Also with your GDA take into account that your GDA will be higher than that of an average woman for a while if you have closer to typical male % muscle mass.

[Guest toro]

Not to be an image breaker here but what does HRT stand for and what does it mean?

[Guest Nelly]

Hi,

what I watn to say is, that you are trained as a man to eat 2500kcal per day. If you want to make diet you need less than that e.g. 2000. tha with HRt you must eat 2000kcal to hold your weight. If you than start a diet you must also eat less e.g. 1500kcal. So compared to the start the different is now 100kcal this is nearly 50% of that what you eat and I think it is hard to do it in one step going down from 2500 to 1500kcal. Doing it in 2 steps is easier + increase power output with doing sport will also mor effetic with male body. I read that MTF people slow down with HRT and that they are not able to do their planed workout. Many of them incease body weight during HRT.

Greetings

Nelly