Transsexual Gender Benders

[Guest praisedbeherhooves]

By transsexual gender bender I mean a transsexual who does not conform to the social rules of their mental gender. For example, a masculine MTF or a feminine FTM. Personally, I am the latter. I like makeup, like some traditionally female clothing, have some female interests and prefer guys. In the end though, I think of myself as a guy and hate my female body. I know that there are other effeminate and feminine transmen on here but I see very few masculine transwomen. So, how many transsexual gender benders are on here?

[Guest viv]

By transsexual gender bender I mean a transsexual who does not conform to the social rules of their mental gender. For example, a masculine MTF or a feminine FTM. Personally, I am the latter. I like makeup, like some traditionally female clothing, have some female interests and prefer guys. In the end though, I think of myself as a guy and hate my female body. I know that there are other effeminate and feminine transmen on here but I see very few masculine transwomen. So, how many transsexual gender benders are on here?

A FTM friend is calling to me this evening , I am going to help him with makeup

as he is going to the city tonight with a bunch of mtf Transvestites and is going

dressed ,,,,,I am newish to contact with other Trans folk ( spectrum ) ,,,, my

head is really hurting me VIV,

[Guest Kaitlyn88]

I guess that I would be a masculine MTF. I really don't care about clothes and stuff. Half the time me and my girlfriend wear mens clothes. It just depends what mood I'm in I guess.

[Guest Donna Jean]

Hey, Praised....

Really good topic!

First off...there are no rules in Transgenderism....

The place someone is at can be all over the spectrum...I mean...it's the same in the Genetic world, too..

There are masculine women..(A GG girlfriend rides a Harley and doesn't even own a dress...but she can be as girly as you want!)

And there are genetic men that don't fit the "Male" strerotype either...

Actually I've got to experience both sides in life ...a macho guy and a girly-girl!

We are what we are!

Huggs

Donna Jean

[Guest doodle]

I'm a gender bender. I have been told that I'm queer. I do all sorts of presentations mostly fem,or lesbian. Sometimes mens clothing and women shoes with full make up. I have a purple zoot suit that I wear with white shoes a white shirt and a black bra I'm a C cup. I like having fun with gender. In New York City you can get away with a lot. No matter what i'm wearing I a fem it you get with I mean . the mods might like the real term. .

Kelly

[Guest Leigh]

i like to think i don't conform to any kind of gender stereotypes. i am who i am, and like what i like.

i just happen to be a guy who was born in a girls body. i don't really think i'll fit in to the "typical" crowd of either gender.

and i will never cut my hair short.

interesting topic.

peace&love

leigh

[Guest 91curiouskitten]

I LOVE pink, and I LOVE zombies, so...yeah, they're def ou there lol, but we're not FtM or MtF, we're guys, and girls, jsut like we have bi, straight, and gay, pansexual, and people who arent attarcted to anything, we have Tomboys, and we tomgirls we've got em all, we're just another part of socierty!

[Guest Keane]

By transsexual gender bender I mean a transsexual who does not conform to the social rules of their mental gender. For example, a masculine MTF or a feminine FTM. Personally, I am the latter. I like makeup, like some traditionally female clothing, have some female interests and prefer guys. In the end though, I think of myself as a guy and hate my female body. I know that there are other effeminate and feminine transmen on here but I see very few masculine transwomen. So, how many transsexual gender benders are on here?

Holla.

[Guest Jo-I-Dunno]

I'm a very masculine MtF and plan to keep it that way. Actually, if this makes any sense, I think I'll be more masculine once I'm deeper into transition. If I act too masculine the way I am now, I'll feel too much like a man and hate myself. But once I have a female body and identity, I'll be free to be masculine and still feel like a woman in my own way.

I'm very hazy about my sexuality right now, but I'm pretty convinced once I get my own gender in-line, I'll probably be a lesbian.

[Guest Elizabeth K]

Transgenderist - those who like the idea of being the opposite sex in body, but are not trying to change their personality or ways of thinking. I donno. It is so often, as Donna Jean said, we transsexual are otherwise like the general population, which has stuff all over the spectrum -f rom super masculine men, masculine men, sensitive men, effiminate men - androgynous - masculine women, aggressive women, feminine women, super-feminine women. TheN add sexual orientations, general personalitie and physical traits (which may or may not match the mindsets) = all over the place.

While on Laura's, only one MTF sttod out to me as a man in a dress. Just her personality. She very much denied it - BUT, I was never convinced she had any feminine qualities at all. So I guess masculine FTMs exist - outside of cross dressers, drag queens and female impersonat,ors who DO NOT want to change their sex.

It okay to be what you are.

I am sure there are feminine FTM. I just don't see them - possibly because I am on the other end. Like Donna Jean, to my surprise, I am girly-girly,, h Unlike Donna Jean, I never was super-macho,while playacting - it just didn't work for me because I was so unbelievable I guess.

My friend ALLISON says that makes me a femme - now what is that?

Good topic - your writings? Donno - you seem a solid FTM type who enjoys the part of the femininity you were put into. I don't consider you an 'effiminate' Tman, maybe more of a Tman with 'feminine' attributes? That's your definition, though.

Lizzy

[Guest angie]

This is a good thought inducing topic.

As has been mentioned,we trans cover the spectrum

of gender.And it takes tolerance from us for the one's

who are non conforming to our idea of who and what

makes an MtF and an FtM and how each expresses them

selves.Having taken part in the FtM Focus part of our meetings

at SAGA,I have heard of the differences with the guys.

While it has been my experience that the women don't talk

about,or acknowlege the MtF's that are non conforming to

our idea of being a trans.I'm glad this subject has been brought up.

Angelique

[Guest ricka]

It seems to me that having a radical acceptance of ourselves and others as we are and where ever we may fall in the gender identity spectrum flies in the face of gender identity disorder, which has at it's core non-acceptance and dissatisfaction with where we find ourselves on this spectrum. It really does get down to loving the woman or man that you are regardless of whatever gender-associated characteristics you may have. For me that translates to being a woman who adores having female breasts and who also is comfortable with her male genitalia.

Kisses---Ricka

[Guest Exeter]

I'm a very masculine MtF and plan to keep it that way. Actually, if this makes any sense, I think I'll be more masculine once I'm deeper into transition. If I act too masculine the way I am now, I'll feel too much like a man and hate myself. But once I have a female body and identity, I'll be free to be masculine and still feel like a woman in my own way.

I'm very hazy about my sexuality right now, but I'm pretty convinced once I get my own gender in-line, I'll probably be a lesbian.

Actually you sound a bit like me... on the opposite end of the spectrum

Right now I feel like I'm fairly masculine and want to be that way in order to prove 'I'm not a girl', but I think that if I were a boy physically that I'd no longer feel the need to 'prove anything' and I'd instead be very feminine...

[Guest janeylewis]

Actually you sound a bit like me... on the opposite end of the spectrum

Right now I feel like I'm fairly masculine and want to be that way in order to prove 'I'm not a girl', but I think that if I were a boy physically that I'd no longer feel the need to 'prove anything' and I'd instead be very feminine...

Ditto! I`m the same, always thought i was so weird for that though, it`s nice to know i`m not...

[Guest angie]

I am the complete polar opposite of my oldself.

Then I was macho man,a beer swilling,foul mouthed,

person I hated.The facade I built over a lifetime to hide

the inner female.

With time in role,and relaxing enough to just let her have

her say...I am very feminine in mannerism,but not in dress.

Meaning,I love jeans and tees,and cami's,open toed flats,little

makeup,and many times,without polish on hands or feet.Though

an essential to me is jewlery.Femme,without being overly femme.

Angie

[Guest JeanVier]

*waves* Me.

I am not, nor will ever be, a stereotypically masculine man. No guns, no beer, no large muscles, no cursing and hard parties, et cetera. I think I would define my version of masculinity as a gentleman, or a dandy, floating around somewhere between a guy in a dress and the sensitive guy of the 1970s men's movement...

But, as Exeter said, I am presenting as more masculine just to prove I am not 'girl'. Once I am received and comfortable as being perceived as a guy, I will re-incorporate more of my feminine elements. Right now, I am androgynous guy; after transition, I could be androgynous/feminine guy.

-JV

[Guest Soph]

I personally am not, really. I'm not super-femme or anything, but I don't consider myself masculine by any means (just a normal girl, I guess).

But I think transition and such is MUCH harder for those who don't necessarily fit the stereotypes very well. Some idiotic mental health "professionals" know very little about it (my psychiatrist, for example), and if somebody doesn't skip in with a penis and a pink frilly dress, they doubt that the person is really MtF. Obviously, its not the case, and can lead to a lot of stress in people's lives. There are masculine women and feminine men. It doesn't make you any less of a woman or man. The only determinant of that is some static internal note on a permanent bulletin-board in our brains.