Evanesce And Feminol?

[Guest Agony]

I don't remember if it was on here that I found out about Evanesce and Feminol, but wanted to know what you girls think about this stuff. Are these products really effective, or would I be wasting my time by using them? I've no doubt that I am transgendered and WANT a feminine body (does that make me transsexual?), but I have fears that I would not get the approval of a therapist/doctor for hormones. If I used the two above mentioned products, is there a real risk of damage to my body in any way? I'm not talking about becoming impotent and my testicles shrinking, I REALLY DO NOT CARE what happens to those monsters. The crowd over at the forums on the site that sells E & F seems really enthusiastic about the products, but at the same time that leaves me wondering if it's all part of the marketing of the products.

[MaryEllen]

Hello Agony,

Evanesce and Feminol are products designed to help post-menopausal women with some of the symptoms of menopause. The actual estrogen content is so small that it wouldn't noticable as an effective HRT. Remember these products are for genetic women who's hormones are mainly estrogen to start with. Don't waste your money on them. We're familiar with the site you mentioned. They will tell you anything to sell their products. It's better to go through the process and get doctor prescribed hormones.

MaryEllen

[Guest Agony]

Something that bothers me about that site is that it seems to be the same posters in every thread, talking about the results they are getting. I never see any pictures of those results, though. My main goals are to:

- more closely align my body with my mind (though fully transitioning is probably not in my future)

- STOP my hair loss on my heaed

- CALM down my sex drive

- become a calm person in general

I was considering their herbal products because there are some really nasty side effects with typical prescription hormones. The last thing I want is to damage my liver or kidneys.

[MaryEllen]

Hi Agony,

You're more apt to damage your liver and kidneys with herbals than with prescription hormones. Hope this helps you make up your mind.

MaryEllen

http://www.lauras-playground.com/forums/in...?showtopic=1341

[Guest Agony]

MaryEllen, do you happen to know of a qualified (I should say "really good") TG-friendly therapist in the Lexington, KY area? I've listened to what you all had to say, and I need to see a therapist who can help me deal with all these issues I have on my plate. I feel like a complete fool for ever going to that herbal hormone site.

[Guest Agony]

Hi Agony,

You're more apt to damage your liver and kidneys with herbals than with prescription hormones. Hope this helps you make up your mind.

MaryEllen

http://www.lauras-playground.com/forums/in...?showtopic=1341

Thanks, MaryEllen I replied in that thread you gave to me. I've yet to find ANY hard data on Evanesce (6 capsules/day) or Feminol (4 capsules/day), that says that taking these two products in the doses recommended for transgendered women is dangerous or ineffective. Not trying to stir up anything, just digging deep in this matter

Hugs,

Samantha

[MaryEllen]

MaryEllen, do you happen to know of a qualified (I should say "really good") TG-friendly therapist in the Lexington, KY area? I've listened to what you all had to say, and I need to see a therapist who can help me deal with all these issues I have on my plate. I feel like a complete fool for ever going to that herbal hormone site.

We have this therapist listed for Lexington Ky. Good luck.

MaryEllen

Kentucky

Diann B. Klug, LMFT

1021 Majestic Drive, Suite 100

Lexington, KY. 40513

Phone: (859) 278-1085

Fax: (859) 278-1086

[Guest]

While I had hoped to avoid naming products specifically the products you mention were exactly what my doctor felt caused my stroke. Since then I have had many letters taking that and other herbal products that have had strokes and heart attacks. I wrote to the owner Dianne twice and received no reply. She just ignored them. She still touts that her products are safe. O Really! From my and others experiences here they were not safe for us. Consider that before your doctor prescribes anything he checks and tests your medical condition. He also checks for drug interaction with prescriptions you may be taking. This doesn't happen with herbals as there is no doctor at all. Let's say for instance you are taking blood thinners to counteract excessive blood clotting. If you take an herbal medicine that also has a natural blood thinning ability it can cause bleeding in the brain and a stroke from the combination.

Herbal medicines do not undergo the same rigorous testing as prescription drugs do which test all kinds of factors and combinations. If you've seen the drug companies ads on tv you will notice that the side effects are often more numerous then the benefits. Herbals on the other hand have no side effects listed which is a little strange. This doesn't mean there aren't any. It just means they did not test the same way prescription companies do. Herbal companies do not tell you how they tested. For all we know they fed it to three rats who may have lived no matter if their quality of life was diminished or not.

It is very natural for Transgendered people to want to avoid Doctors and therapists. Let's face it not many understand us. The herbal drug companies are counting on your fear. They are however in business just to make money. The distributor of the products you mention would not reply to my emails reporting adverse reaction for several users here. Does this sound like someone who cares about their customers or their health? The truth is taking herbals is a crap shoot and you are gambling with your life. Besides the growth I got was miniscule. If herbal products designed to promote breast growth were so great what woman in her right mind would need to get breast enhancement surgery? The fact is those surgeries are now occurring in record numbers. Feminizing with herbals is not going to get you where you want to be.

Each year we loose large numbers of transgendered to violence and suicide. We loose a larger number to illegal silicone injections, deaths by illegal self-hormone use, unconventional amateur medical quackery and more. Thrombosis is a huge killer in our community. There are no magic answers. The good fairy unfortunately will not wave her magic wand over you and poof your a girl. Yet herbal drug companies make that sound possible. It's not. Feminization and masculanization for us is a job for professionals. Like it or not the Standards of care, HBIGDA (wpath) http://wpath.org/Documents2/socv6.pdf was designed specifically for the Transgendered. It is no longer just for transsexuals. They were changed to cover Transgendered who want hormones for safety reasons because too many are obtaining them illegally with out getting their levels checked. Therapists who refuse you hormones are not using version 6 the latest SOC. Most will have hormones in a few visits. So who are you going to trust An herbal TG saleswoman on commission with fantastic claims, or a group of medical professionals who designed a transgender heath care plan that was designed spefically for us? Its a no brainer. Here our mission is not just suicide prevention. It is information and safety as well. We are guided by interaction with 7.8 million users and over a thousand plus emails a day from transgender people. Some of them have made grave mistakes as you are doing now. Personally I think there's just been far to many preventable deaths in our community. Please don't be one of them.

http://www.lauras-playground.com/forums/in...?showtopic=1341

Love and hugs,

Laura

[Guest Sheila]

While I had hoped to avoid naming products specifically the products you mention were exactly what my doctor felt caused my stroke. Since then I have had many letters taking that and other herbal products that have had strokes and heart attacks. I wrote to the owner Dianne twice and received no reply. She just ignored them. She still touts that her products are safe. O Really! From my and others experiences here they were not safe for us. Consider that before your doctor prescribes anything he checks and tests your medical condition. He also checks for drug interaction with prescriptions you may be taking. This doesn't happen with herbals as there is no doctor at all. Let's say for instance you are taking blood thinners to counteract excessive blood clotting. If you take an herbal medicine that also has a natural blood thinning ability it can cause bleeding in the brain and a stroke from the combination.

Herbal medicines do not undergo the same rigorous testing as prescription drugs do which test all kinds of factors and combinations. If you've seen the drug companies ads on tv you will notice that the side effects are often more numerous then the benefits. Herbals on the other hand have no side effects listed which is a little strange. This doesn't mean there aren't any. It just means they did not test the same way prescription companies do. Herbal companies do not tell you how they tested. For all we know they fed it to three rats who may have lived no matter if their quality of life was diminished or not.

It is very natural for Transgendered people to want to avoid Doctors and therapists. Let's face it not many understand us. The herbal drug companies are counting on your fear. They are however in business just to make money. The distributor of the products you mention would not reply to my emails reporting adverse reaction for several users here. Does this sound like someone who cares about their customers or their health? The truth is taking herbals is a crap shoot and you are gambling with your life. Besides the growth I got was miniscule. If herbal products designed to promote breast growth were so great what woman in her right mind would need to get breast enhancement surgery? The fact is those surgeries are now occurring in record numbers. Feminizing with herbals is not going to get you where you want to be.

Each year we loose large numbers of transgendered to violence and suicide. We loose a larger number to illegal silicone injections, deaths by illegal self-hormone use, unconventional amateur medical quackery and more. Thrombosis is a huge killer in our community. There are no magic answers. The good fairy unfortunately will not wave her magic wand over you and poof your a girl. Yet herbal drug companies make that sound possible. It's not. Feminization and masculanization for us is a job for professionals. Like it or not the Standards of care, HBIGDA (wpath) http://wpath.org/Documents2/socv6.pdf was designed specifically for the Transgendered. It is no longer just for transsexuals. They were changed to cover Transgendered who want hormones for safety reasons because too many are obtaining them illegally with out getting their levels checked. Therapists who refuse you hormones are not using version 6 the latest SOC. Most will have hormones in a few visits. So who are you going to trust An herbal TG saleswoman on commission with fantastic claims, or a group of medical professionals who designed a transgender heath care plan that was designed spefically for us? Its a no brainer. Here our mission is not just suicide prevention. It is information and safety as well. We are guided by interaction with 4.7 million users and over a thousand plus emails a day from transgender people. Some of them have made grave mistakes as you are doing now. Personally I think there's just been far to many preventable deaths in our community. Please don't be one of them.

Love and hugs,

Laura

i was seriously considering the herbal route. even going as for to search for them in the drugstore thank god i didn't have the money. being poor really compounds matters. i'm so happy i found laura's playground. see laura, you've saved another soul. i put one of my bikes up for sale with the intention of using the money for a gender therapist. i can't wait.

learning more every day,

sheila