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Guest Rika-chama
Does anyone remember the movie, Junior? Truely, life imitates art.

Is that the one with Arnold Schwarzinegger? :lol:

Anyways I wish them the best of luck. He's truly a brave guy

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Guest GoldenKirbichu

I think this is incredible. I hope him the best of luck.

I also hope that the pregnancy goes well.

And I'm saddened at the number of transphobic comments I've seen from it.

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Guest raydub

my fiancee printed out the article and everytime she reads it she cries (happy tears). :D

it probably hits pretty close to home because we arent sure if she would be able to safely have another child. i told her that if i had to, i would birth a child for us, but shes afraid that i wouldnt be happy doing it and that my feeling bad would affect the child. :unsure:

anyway.. its a great article. and the 20/20 segment on it last thursday set up the conversation between us and the kid about what it means to be transgender and that i am trans to my seven-year-old. (its what she chose to watch on tv the other night... ;) ) note: it went well.

-Ray

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Guest dolly

i think its a great story just urks me how much controversy people are finding in it an ofcourse how the media is portraying it.

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I think it's so awesome that they're able to start a family. Someone I knew said that they don't think he should be referred to as a "man" when he still has his reproductive organs, so I tried to gently give more information about transgenders/transsexuals.

Not only do I wish them love and luck in their pregnancy, but I also hope this can be an "opening" like it was for raydub, where people can use it to start dialogues about what it means to be trans.

~Cat

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Guest Christine-Louise

You know since I first saw the item on TV this morning I have been thinking, and still I can't make up My mind if it helps the Transgender community or not, one way I think it has to be good then another it's not so good, the controversy is the bad aspect, bringing Transgender issues into the public eye is the good part, and I think that it can help us, but the controversy I'm afraid I don't think that I like that, as it could give the impression that we can change back and forth as the mood takes us, depending on how we feel, and I do not think that that is the case for the majority of us, we have chosen the lifestyle that we have wanted from birth, and should have had but for a nasty quirk of fate, being born with the wrong body was not our choice, it was forced onto us.

But I do think that reading the answers on here it seems to depend a lot on which Gender that you are, as to how you feel about it, Mmm more controversy.

This I think will rumble on for a long long time.

Should Admin think that I am too controversial with this please remove it.

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Guest Christine-Louise

Thank you Laura I was not meaning to cause any problems just My thoughts, thank you for the link very thought provoking and interesting to read, I'm not so alone in My feelings as I thought, we have to be so very careful in just what the general public see and hear of us, when I go out I am extremely courteous to everyone, and have compliments to the fact and that is nice, people around here where I live who know what I am think that I am a wonderful person, that's all that matters to be seen in a good light, and that is always My aim.

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Guest Chris_421

Personally, while the media buzzed around the issue and the trans community was brought into the light, I would have rather that he kept it too himself and his family as other transmen who have been pregnant have. I don't agree with it, but that's not my say and I respect the right for people to have the freedom to do what they chose, unless it's quite unlawful.

I don't think it really helped, because since the hype about the first man getting pregnant, what good has it done the community? I don't see any, unless something happened on a local level that I would not have heard of. We just went back under the rug. Every time I hear about it I roll my eyes, it's all I've heard of anything national doing with the trans community recently.

While that is my opinion, I hope that they are a happy and healthy family and continue to be.

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One of my daily tasks is being a news editor for our Transgender news page http://www.lauras-playground.com/trans_news.htm . You can often tell how many newspapers and media pick up a transgender story. If a transgender person committs a crime it is published everywhere. The same is true for sensastionalist news such as this story. However when one of our own dies in a brutal crime it is either not carried or buried in the back of the paper. Good news about us though available everyday is rarely carried.

Laura

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