Question Of Being Androgyne

[Guest Traci Nicole]

I've been doing some research about the word of what not it only means, but where it places us into he human race. I find to my amasement, its runs all through history even before Adam an Eve. The real question is, how many are there is in this whole world, and what is their purpose of being here. Well, each one us has a special quality, and characeristics. It's like were all gaurdian angels in our current lifetime, and were hear for a purpose especially being Androgyne. Being Androgyne is not a gender, but having characteristics of both male and female.

I was looking into my dad's side of the family, person I was raised around the most. A nice person, and also caring man. He did not hit me, or anything just treated nice. I've been looking where I fit into the picture, of having a dad that the way he was. From what i understand, about where my dad is from (Hungary), his family is a very nice and considerate people. And now it runs in my blood as well, but I have these qualities of being female, but still have some male qualities left. And, my oldest daughter, has the same heart as I, loving, caring, and kindess that will make you want to cry. My real question is, am I Androgyne or i'm just plain female in heart.

When I now talk to my mom, after being on hormones, our conversations are more open minded, its just like were connecting for some unusual reason. Before I started hormones, life was different when i was talking to mom, everything was kinda uneasy, but know things are more easy going and more aware of myself and my surrounings. If anybody has a real answer to this, please feel free to give an answer.

[pennyjane]

i would only suggest you be careful classifying gender according to the content of character, traci nicole. i know some men, who are all men, who are very nice, decent and caring people. your gender is just something you feel inside. it is devoid of all other characteristics. some women can be just as uncaring, insensitive and uncouth as the worst man you've ever met, yet she is still a woman. your gender is what you are, not what you do or how you express yourself. i think i said earlier, stereotypes are merely indicators, they are not answers. lotsa love and hope, pj

[Guest Sophie Jean]

Traci,

Something motivated me to reread over the Tao Te Ching by Lao Tzu, and I found something that might inspire you here: http://acc6.its.brooklyn.cuny.edu/~phalsal...aote-v3.html#28

Know the male,

yet keep to the female:

receive the world in your arms.

If you receive the world,

the Tao will never leave you

and you will be like a little child.

Know the white,

yet keep to the black:

be a pattern for the world.

If you are a pattern for the world,

the Tao will be strong inside you

and there will be nothing you can't do.

Know the personal,

yet keep to the impersonal:

accept the world as it is.

If you accept the world,

the Tao will be luminous inside you

and you will return to your primal self.

The world is formed from the void,

like utensils from a block of wood.

The Master knows the utensils,

yet keeps to the the block:

thus she can use all things.

[Zufrieden]

Hi Traci Nicole. My personal take on all this is that I can't be bothered worrying my head over whether I'm TS, TG or androgynous. Just the facts ma'am. Stick to what you know, not what to call yourself. Yes, it is helpful sometimes to stick a label on yourself to give people without a clue a starting point. The danger is that some people will just put you in a bin with that label.

To me, the telling point is that you're on hormones and apparently happy with it. Go from there. Ask yourself how you want to live your life. Do you want to find a public persona that you're happy with and stick with it? Do you want to live in different modes? What kind of people do you want to have relations with? What do you like, what do you want? These questions are for you to answer for yourself. You don't have to fit into any mold.

[Guest NickSister]

Woh. You have touched on lots of things here.

"The real question is, how many are there is in this whole world"

Depends on your definition of Androgyne. If you look in a dictionary androgyne as a noun can refer to a hermaphrodite, an effeminate man as in a eunuch or an androgynous plant. On this site most of us when we say androgyne are referring to a gender identity. This is something you feel inside. As Penny Jane said, gender identity it is who you are inside and not how you act. There are probably not many at all - personally I think there are actually a variety of non-binary gender types that could fit within the term 'androgyne'.

"what is their purpose of being here"

I'm only referring to Androgyne the gender identity here when I say I don't know. Might as well ask what is anyone's purpose? If you believe in a higher power like the christian god then maybe you are here as part of his/her plan. Or we are actually here to oppose gods plan - like we are an evil in the world and our purpose is to do the devils work. It might be androgynes are the people's link to the spiritual world as believed by some native American tribes. If you are an evolutionary biologist then you could suggest the androgynes play an important role in the survival of the species, they act as mediators, councillors and as a kind of social glue. Or we could simply be a biological mutation with no more purpose than anyone else. It could be independent of our purpose. Personally I have certain 'gifts' associated with being transgendered. Maybe my purpose is to use those gifts to help others.

"Being Androgyne is not a gender, but having characteristics of both male and female."

As I mentioned 'androgyne' can apply to lots of different things. You can look androgynous, you can act androgynous, but his does not mean your gender identity is androgyne. As PennyJane said, gender is what you feel inside, not how you act.

"And now it runs in my blood as well, but I have these qualities of being female, but still have some male qualities left. And, my oldest daughter, has the same heart as I, loving, caring, and kindness that will make you want to cry. My real question is, am I Androgyne or i'm just plain female in heart."

I don't really know what your trying to say here. I don't think it matters who you are descended from. It also does not matter if someone acts exactly the same as you. If you feel that you are an androgyne or a woman then that's what you are. Lots of people have a combination of 'qualities'. What makes those qualities masculine or feminine depends largely on your culture. In some cultures it would be seen as unmanly for a man to cry in public while in others it is acceptable male behaviour. Does this mean that if I cry in one country I am a man and if I cry in another I am a woman? I don't think so. I could be a butcher of men like my Cossack forbears but I would still have the same gender.

Only you can answer this question. Do you feel like a woman at heart?

"When I now talk to my mom, after being on hormones, our conversations are more open minded, its just like were connecting for some unusual reason. Before I started hormones, life was different when i was talking to mom, everything was kinda uneasy, but know things are more easy going and more aware of myself and my surrounings. If anybody has a real answer to this, please feel free to give an answer. "

The hormones are allowing you to be more like you are supposed to be, so naturally you are more happy and relaxed and open. Life's seems better eh?

Edited July 26, 2007 by NickSister

[pennyjane]

If you feel that you are an androgyne or a woman then that's what you are.

bingo! in my humble opinion. lotsa love and hope, pj

[Guest Kaimialana]

I think I will also take a try at these questions, NickSister.

"The real question is, how many are there is in this whole world"

I have wondered the same thing. There are websites which talk about the possibility of mixed gender being the most common transgender identification. Then there are others which believe it to be much lower. Personally, I think an accurate count is impossible at the moment. To too many people, what is an androgyne looks to be something wrong or immoral, so there is a certain stigma associated with it even appart from the general transgender stigma. It does seem that our numbers are growing, not in truth, but just that more people are becoming aware of themselves and there is support out there for them to feel okay with themselves and their gender.

"what is their purpose of being here"

Well, I don't think we have a PURPOSE persay. But then, I don't think anyone trully has a purpose outside of what they make for themselves. I'm a biologist, so I tend to look at this from a very nonspiritual perspective, neurology and physiology and psychology, etc. However, there are some ideas that do come to mind. I think it was the anchent Greeks who believed that those that showed characters of both male and female were a sort of spiritual link between the two. In many ways, I can see this, as androgynes seem to adept at poking holes in gender steriotypes and can communicate well with both genders. In addition, androgynes seem to me to have a great deal of understanding and common curtesy when it comes to differences between people. Just some thoughts.

"Being Androgyne is not a gender, but having characteristics of both male and female."

I would have to disagree with this statement. Being androgyne is most definatly a gender identification for me. Were it a completly physical and physiological manifestation, I would consider it intersex. I think we can agree that the terms intersex and androgyne reffer to two separate things. However, as far as gender goes, I would agree that an androgyne has gender identity characteristics of both male and female genders, which may include behaviors, gender roles, inclinations, thought processes, etc. While an androgyne can be intersex, it is no more manditory than an intersex being androgyne.

"And now it runs in my blood as well, but I have these qualities of being female, but still have some male qualities left. And, my oldest daughter, has the same heart as I, loving, caring, and kindness that will make you want to cry. My real question is, am I Androgyne or i'm just plain female in heart."

That is for you to decide. Only you can draft that, and I wish you the best in that decision. If you feel you are female, then you are female. If you feel you are androgyne, you are androgyne. There is no problem with either decision, as long as you feel it is best.

"When I now talk to my mom, after being on hormones, our conversations are more open minded, its just like were connecting for some unusual reason. Before I started hormones, life was different when i was talking to mom, everything was kinda uneasy, but know things are more easy going and more aware of myself and my surrounings. If anybody has a real answer to this, please feel free to give an answer. "

It seems that you feel more at home in your body than you did before. Part of it was probably just embracing who you are. Less stress means happier person. And that probably boosted your awareness up too.

Much Love,

Kaimialana

Edited July 26, 2007 by Kaimialana

[Guest Traci Nicole]

I see that I have got alot of responses on this subject. It's just that so many questions come through my head, its pretty much like what i said; why, were, and purpose. Nobody in this whole can be perfect, but a decision is a decision. My mind feels, different I don't know why, and I can't explain why. Its just seems if there is no life, than there is no purpose. My feelings seem so different, just trying to figure what heart is saying. The heart, yes can be a funny thing in our lifes, without it our human bodies can't operate, but the heart is our life force to operate. My heart it tells me I'm female, but there is another part that says you are part of something. I thanks, for the responses, and I greatly apreciate. I'm starting to cry, for no apparent reason. I don't know what it is feelings, or just emotions. But my heart burns for something I just can't seem to grasp. I still need more input, please help.

Thanks Sophie Jean, for great moment, its truely inspirational and its get to the heart.

Edited July 27, 2007 by Traci Nicole

[Guest Kaimialana]

I see that I have got alot of responses on this subject. It's just that so many questions come through my head, its pretty much like what i said; why, were, and purpose. Nobody in this whole can be perfect, but a decision is a decision. My mind feels, different I don't know why, and I can't explain why. Its just seems if there is no life, than there is no purpose. My feelings seem so different, just trying to figure what heart is saying. The heart, yes can be a funny thing in our lifes, without it our human bodies can't operate, but the heart is our life force to operate. My heart it tells me I'm female, but there is another part that says you are part of something. I thanks, for the responses, and I greatly apreciate. I'm starting to cry, for no apparent reason. I don't know what it is feelings, or just emotions. But my heart burns for something I just can't seem to grasp. I still need more input, please help.

Thanks Sophie Jean, for great moment, its truely inspirational and its get to the heart.

Don't feel like you are rushed in any decisions you might make. Take your time, explore yourself.

It is true, with no life, there is no purpose. However, life, at its very base, is a self replicating system that grows and interacts with the environment. This alone gives life a teleos, a will, a will to survive. For if it didn't survive, it wouldn't exist. And over time this teleos has included more and more things; what was once basic metabolism, in the stramatolites of the Proterozoic, converting sunlight to teleos, now is much more complex, a life form which needs not only food for the body, but also for the interesting network of cells we call mind. The mind grasps at everything, and learning is health, exploring oneself with thought and emotion is daily bread. Gender is yet another aspect of that.

Ugh....see, this is what happens when people let me wax philosophic!

[Guest Mani]

Being Androgyne is not a gender, but having characteristics of both male and female.

I would like to point out that androgyne is indeed a gender. Male and female are not the only genders.

~Mani

[Guest Rev. Michal]

I would like to point out that androgyne is indeed a gender. Male and female are not the only genders.

~Mani

[Guest androgynous]

QUOTE (NickSister @ Jul 26 2007, 05:55 PM) *

If you feel that you are an androgyne or a woman then that's what you are.

YEP! That's what it's about! ALWAYS trust your gut feeling, your heart, and your intuition, because it never cheats. I listned to it, and it said: Androgyne and now I am on top of my world! couldn't be more happier!

[Guest androgynous]

I see that I have got alot of responses on this subject. It's just that so many questions come through my head, its pretty much like what i said; why, were, and purpose. Nobody in this whole can be perfect, but a decision is a decision. My mind feels, different I don't know why, and I can't explain why. Its just seems if there is no life, than there is no purpose.

I wonder why people always look for a purpose. Why can't life be a dance, which is essential pointless to begin with. Maybe it's just fun? Looking for a purpose is purposeless in my eyes. But it can be fun to look for a purpose, it keeps one busy. Seriously, fun is purposless as well, but it does make you feel good doesn't it? Maybe that's the "purpose": Being happy!