Opinions Are One Thing...but....

[Guest kelise]

So, I just recently read about this trans woman in south Florida who's running for Congress. Naturally I was intrigued and wanted to support her, until I found out she's running for the Republican ticket...AND she's a conservative who is against gay marriage AND gay adoption. Hey pot, the kettle just called you something.

Yes, trans and gay are two separate things and everyone is entitled to their opinion. But here's my issue. I think anyone who is a part of any minority group has no business oppressing or attacking any other minority group. The LGBT acronym exists for a reason: all four group are experiencing relatively the same oppression, the same hate attacks, the same discrimination, at about the same time. As a trans woman she no doubt knows these challenges. How dare she!

Here's a link.

[Milly]

And now I've seen it all. A anti gay rights transgender.

/facepalm

If this image is too graphic just take it off along with this sentence plox. But this is my feelings on this. Because my head almost exploded reading that article in sheer shock. >.< (it is fake btw, the pic)

[Guest Donna Jean]

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I'm a Moderator here.....

So, I can't say what is making me PURPLE!

I'm stunned....

Abandon your own?

You want to be able to make it to your position as a Transwoman...and then???????

*sigh*

Donna Jean

[Carolyn Marie]

Seems pretty contradictory, for sure. I would want to know her feelings on the matter. Unfortunately, the reporter (if that's the accurate term here) made no mention of an attempt to contact Milo, and if she did, whether Milo refused to talk about it.

I think the author of the article didn't work very hard at making this any more than an opinion piece. Kind of disappointing.

Carolyn Marie

[Guest vertigo]

No, no, nooooo... Just... Wrong. Do politicians ever do anything right?..

I pretty much agree with the OP. And LGBT people should stick together. Even though technically I'm not homosexual, I get really defensive about lesbian/gay rights. I think she's being pretty inconsiderate. I mean, she benefited from all the rights that the community had fought for, and now this?

I also find it pretty sad that there are so many people that want to study politics... But rarely does anybody do it for some kind of an idea... Rarely do any of them even know the difference between the different philosophies, or want to fight for something. I'm not even starting about LGBT rights. Off-topic, sorry.

[Guest abbxrdy]

She may just be claiming to support various positions just to get republican votes. One of my state senators in NC is anti-gay marriage and runs on a christian and socially conservative platform but he never votes on any of those things nor has he introduced any such legislation and I've looked through all of his congressional history.

[Guest April63]

There are a lot of people that believe marriage is between a man and a woman. There are people who identify as gay or bisexual and also believe that marriage is only between a man and a woman. The same goes with transgender people.

[Guest Melanie Dawn]

That just makes No friggen sense AT ALL!

Melanie Dawn

[Guest praisedbeherhooves]

:banghead: :banghead:

I'll just be doing that for a few minutes, kay?

Seriously, what the intercourse?

[Guest Nicodeme]

No, no, nooooo... Just... Wrong. Do politicians ever do anything right?..

BWAHAHA--...Oh, you were serious?

*Cough.*

They do...it's just ridiculously few-and-far-between.

I mean, she benefited from all the rights that the community had fought for, and now this?

Well, not necessarily. Trans people are usually pushed to the side when it comes to the queer "community." (If you can call it that.) Additionally, it's normal for some trans people to have at least some amount of homophobia as a result of being seen as a "gay man" (among transwomen) or a "lesbian" (in the case of transmen). For the other (and thankfully majority of) trans people I figure that's what kills whatever homophobia they have, because they know what it's like to be in that position. (And in the case of people who were "straight" before transition, if they didn't face homophobia before, they face it when they and their partners are read as gay couples--even if the cisgender partner still identifies as heterosexual.)

But, like I said, some trans people become more homophobic as a result of being perceived that way. I'm not saying it's okay to be homophobic--it's wrong no matter what your gender identity or history is. I'm just saying there's an explanation as to how it happens.

[Guest Sam_P]

:banghead: :banghead:

I'll just be doing that for a few minutes, kay?

Seconded.

In my mind this is simply unforgivable. Most people who are homophobic and transphobic are misinformed, if also nasty. To know exactly what it is like to be discriminated against and to pass that on to others... GRR.

[Guest Emily Ray]

I haven't decided what my position on gay marriage is yet. maybe the goverment should get out of it all together and just create civil unions and leave marriage to religion since that is the basis for it anyways. But her position against gay adoption is just intolerable and has no basis in any fact. I am a republican finacialy and a libertarian in all other respects. I will and have defended her right to her opinions and ability to shout them in the market place of ideas. My opinion is she is wrong!!!

Huggs,

Emily

[JJ]

I see it as a fundamental betrayal. If she can really belive as she says she does then she has great powers of self delusion. If she doesn't she's a liar.

Either way she is wrong. I think it is good that she is keeping the trans issue low-key though. Letting people see her a woman who happens to be trans. too bad she isn't more ethical.

JJ

[Guest therisa]

BWAHAHA--...Oh, you were serious?

*Cough.*

They do...it's just ridiculously few-and-far-between.

Well, not necessarily. Trans people are usually pushed to the side when it comes to the queer "community." (If you can call it that.) Additionally, it's normal for some trans people to have at least some amount of homophobia as a result of being seen as a "gay man" (among transwomen) or a "lesbian" (in the case of transmen). For the other (and thankfully majority of) trans people I figure that's what kills whatever homophobia they have, because they know what it's like to be in that position. (And in the case of people who were "straight" before transition, if they didn't face homophobia before, they face it when they and their partners are read as gay couples--even if the cisgender partner still identifies as heterosexual.)

But, like I said, some trans people become more homophobic as a result of being perceived that way. I'm not saying it's okay to be homophobic--it's wrong no matter what your gender identity or history is. I'm just saying there's an explanation as to how it happens.

Personally, I have been told, by some lesbians, in Toronto's GLBT community, "I will never be accepted, as a woman, and should just accept this fact of life". So easy to take that frustration back on the group, who's discriminating against you, with an extra level of zeal. Not, I condone or accept such behaviour, from anyone.

[Guest Donna Jean]

The fastest way to improove ones social status is to lower someone elses.

Absolutely!

Donna Jean

[Guest kelise]

I just thought of something. Does this woman plan on ever marrying herself? If so, I hope she's a lesbian, because the state of Florida sees a marriage between a trans woman and a cis-man as a same-sex marriage, which would be illegal. Then again, if she's a lesbian, photo's from her trans-female/cis-female LEGAL marriage would make her look pretty darn hypocritical, huh?

[Guest kelise]

ok, so I should probably read my own articles when I post them, huh? The article I linked in the OP wasn't the original one I read. I just felt I needed a link and couldn't find the original one, so I picked one from Google and scanned it to make sure the gist was the same.

[Guest kelise]

Her response:

You got it 100 percent.

Ill let you know about adoption in more detail soon but basically I never want a child as a ward of the state. My preference are 2 parent homes. But I don't care the gender of the respective parents. To me a traditional home is a 2 parent home where both share the responsibilities of the child and home. But a single parent home is better then the State.

Donna

[Guest kelise]

Um, ok so the first half of that last reply never went through. What I meant to say was, I just had an email conversation with Mrs. Milo.

I wrote:

First of all, as a fellow transwoman, I say congratulations on your transition and having the courage to step into the public eye of politics.

However, I cannot begin to fathom the logic behind your stance against gay marriage and gay adoption. You are married to a woman. You are a woman. You are in a gay marriage. Why shouldn't every other woman in the world have the same right as you?

I want to support your campaign, but how could I? I know this is not the center of your campaign platform, in fact, I'm sure it's an issue you'd rather not have brought up at all, but it is an issue that means an awful lot to a lot of people. How can I support someone who won't support m

Her reply:

Hi Kairi,

I was talked over and ambushed in that interview. If I would have been allowed to speak in depth my point would have been very clear.

I believe in the separation of church and state, the government should not be defining religious sacraments, nor should it be performing them. The church defines marriage as one man and one woman, the government should respect that definition. If the church changes the definition then the government should respect that also. However I believe Any two consenting adults should have the right to form a union in a court which has all of the same benefits and estate creating qualities as a marriage from a church. This way every one is protected gay or straight. Not just gays but many folks need the protection of an estate or relationship that a policy like this could offer.

I hope that explains it a little better.

Please let me know if I can explain further.

Thanks,

Donna

My reply:

Ok, I can see that to a degree. If marriage is strictly a religious ritual, then why are two Atheists who walk into a courthouse considered married? I suppose if a measure were taken to truly separate religious marriage from the legal version, which would mean not only taking the ability to perform religious rituals out of the government's hands, but also taking the right to create legally binding, government-honored contracts that offer legal rights out of the church's hands, I would support that. In other words, if a devout Christian couple wants to get married, they would do so first in church, being blessed by their pastor and forming a blessed union in the eyes of God, though that union would offer no legal bindings. Those would be acquired later, in a courthouse, in a very unromantic, unceremonious, nonreligious transaction between them and a government official. Meanwhile, a same-sex couple could acquire the exact same legal, binding, nonreligious, unceremonious contract from the same courthouse/official, and have whatever ceremony they choose in the venue of their choice, provided the venue is used for this purpose with the consent of it's owner. Is that what you're getting at?

Also, what are your views on gay adoption?

Her reply:

You got it 100 percent.

Ill let you know about adoption in more detail soon but basically I never want a child as a ward of the state. My preference are 2 parent homes. But I don't care the gender of the respective parents. To me a traditional home is a 2 parent home where both share the responsibilities of the child and home. But a single parent home is better then the State.

Donna

[Guest KimberlyF]

She sounds to me more Libertarian than Republican with those answers but running third party pretty much limits your odds. Although I think all politicians are full of it anyway.

[Guest ShannonA23]

My grandfather was a libertarian and he held a public office as a republican. However, good luck ever getting me to vote republican.

Shan