Thomas Harris

[Guest mia 1]

A thought occured to me. In the book and the movie Silence of the Lambs, the psycopath is a T.G. T.S. C.D. who tortures,destroys and skins women so he can use their outer bodys to fulfill his desire to become a woman!!

This is down fright pornographic to our loving beautiful community. I never heard a protest or a op-ed in any of the major newpapers.

Maybe the entire story i so far from reality,that it can be ignorred.

But part of me believes their are enough non thinking and/or hateful people to look at our community through Tom Harrris's novel and need to be educated not ignored.. Just something I thought of during the night.. Let me know your thoughts.....................Mia1

[Guest Eva Jean]

Hey Mia1.

i'm a great fan of Thomas Harris's Hannibal books and when i first saw the movie of silence of the lambs (saw it before i read the book) i didnt even catch on that Jame Gumb was TG/TS. But then when i read the book i got it. But honestly I dont see that there would be much point on protesting the fact. I have actually encountered some difficulty involving those books but nothing to do with the gender part. I dont see the difference between having a TG bad guy and, say, all the redneck, hick badguys there have been in so many other horror movies.

But I guess you're rigth in that some people might for some reason believe that all TGs are like Jamb Gumb but then if they're that dumb they are no threat. An example would be the "The x files: i want t believe" where there was a bit of controversy with the bad guys being a gay couple. Wouldnt it be considered unfair and discriminatroy if straight folks were always seen as the bad guys? lol of course i dont want to see Transfolk being plastered all over the movies and books as bad guys but really it would be elitist and discriminatory of us to think we should be above fictional villainy.

I hope this has explained what i think accurately. i'm bad a posting as i can be very incoherent and tend to come up different than how i would like. I'm not trying to advocate using LGBT people as bad guys but we would be unequal with straight people if we werent.

[Guest Silver]

I read something on wikipedia, and apparently there was soME controversy on just this topic. Supposedly, the guy just THOUGHT he was tg/ts and was really just confused. I don't really understand it, but whatever.

"Billy was not born a criminal, but made one by years of systematic abuse."

The film adaptation of Silence of the Lambs was criticized by some gay rights groups for its portrayal of the sociopathic Gumb as bisexual and transsexual.[1] A Johns Hopkins sex-reassignment surgeon, present in the book but not the film, protests the exact same thing; Crawford pacifies him by repeating that Gumb is not in fact transsexual, though he believes himself to be.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buffalo_Bill_...e_of_the_Lambs)

[Guest Elizabeth K]

MIA - you troublemaker, you

That movie was a composite of a whole bunch of crazy serial killers. I have read the Tom Harris books separately, and they are very graphic - but it is clear the Silence of the Lambs is most effective the way it is all jumbled together.

Jame Gumb - transsexual? - no way - he was super warped, inhumanly CRAZY. I know what it is to be gender dysphoric, but to make neat little suits outta bodies of real women - that takes justa bit of insanity - actually a whole bathtub full of insanity (remember that scene?)

I don't remember the actors name - but 'Jame" sure played the part of crazy killer - but, humph - the prancing around for example, that certainly isn't typical of transsexuality.

If Jame had been transsexual he woulda made those .. well... 'suits' and then disappeared into society. But I doubt he would have 'passed," the smell alone...

Oh my goodness, this is getting past the point of good taste.

Mia made me do it! Ask her about her dog "Precious"

[Guest Donna Jean]

HEY! YOU GUYS!!!!!!

I'm sitting here trying to eat a piece of chicken and I'm getting REALLY creeped out!

Geesh....

Wanna bite?

Donna Jean

[Guest Eva Jean]

Well yes. The idea was that he thought he was TG/TS and only started to kill women and make their bodies into lady-suits after he was denied the more appropriate socially acceptable method of surgery. As to whether or not he was actually TG/TS i guess well never know but he sure thought he was and isnt the personal desire and thought6s of a TG/TS person the most acurate, if not the only, way of diagnosis?

Now i'm tired and havent read the book or seen the movie in a long time so i may be remembering some thingswrong but thats how I remember it. Maybe I should read it again...

[Guest CharliTo]

some how i started thinking it was like a strange way of saying that some people do need to go through with it... or else me or some other person would go insane like that. o.o

but yeah, i did squirm when i finally saw silence of the lamb for the first time lately.

Oh and DonnaJeans, yes, i want to have some chicken :3 *nibbles*