Oklahoma Judge Refuses to Grant Name Change

[Carolyn Marie]

Nothing like a blatantly bigoted judge. Whatever happened to the meaning of "blind justice?"

http://www.upi.com/T...54311347904382/

http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2012/09/17/Okla-judge-denies-transgender-name-change/UPI-54311347904382/

Carolyn Marie

[Guest raynedrops224]

Were the points he made even grounds for his ruling... like can he honestly justify his decision with because the individual's DNA is not altered, it shows God meant for them to stay male and female." Does seperation of state and church not sound familiar to this guy. I hope everything works out for Angela, thanks for the read Carolyn.

Nicole

[Guest amanda_s]

he needs a new job , hes been compared to a donkey but to me thats an insult to the animal.

Amanda

[Carolyn Marie]

It's funny - there are idiots about worrying about the imposition of Sharia law in the U.S., even though there hasn't been a single case. But we have nut jobs like this applying Biblical quotes to justify civil law rulings. I think someone should demand that he makes all his rulings based on literal interpretation of the Bible, and sentence men who cheat on their wives to death by stoning.

Carolyn Marie

[Guest Chrissy6455]

I Agree with Nicole, what happened to the separation of church and state? Seems like to me he needs to not be allowed to preside over any transgender cases as he is already opinionated and thus should not be allowed to do so. I always thought a Jude is suppose to use fact not opinion in a ruling.

[Bulldog1948]

It's funny - there are idiots about worrying about the imposition of Sharia law in the U.S., even though there hasn't been a single case. But we have nut jobs like this applying Biblical quotes to justify civil law rulings. I think someone should demand that he makes all his rulings based on literal interpretation of the Bible, and sentence men who cheat on their wives to death by stoning.

Carolyn Marie

Carolyn, you have gelded this judge. Well done.

More nut -wingers need gelded.lol

[Guest DanD]

actually i had mentioned in here several times, that Oklahoma is one of those odd states about transsexuals.. its not legal to do sex change surgery there, but there is a known srs surgeon who lives there, and works there, and i remember, he can do some parts of a phalloplasty, for example, but not the whole thing, because technicly some of it isnt and some of it is considered SRS.

its what youd call a bible belt state, even though some down south are called that but have not got that same attitutude going on..

i knew it was going to have some biblical crap in there that isnt relevant anyway. I find it really annoying, but these people are elected you know. the law makers only make laws the people want in there, or they get voted out.

I'm not saying its fair or right though. refusing a name change is silly. when in some places people can change their name to something like $DADDYWARBUX$ legally, but just a simple name change gets shot down.

OK i didnt read it at first then i decided to read it, sounds like he isnt the only one there, but is the only one who does this. probaly with appealing a case is the judge has to agree that he made some mistake in the law and grant the appeal, an this judge is the same one who has to admit he screwed up. not very likely go very far is it?

easier to relfile it as a new request with another judge, OR move to another county, so its heard by a different judge.

Some states and some organizations have been rather mean about the gender change thing, some do have laws saying you cant do this or that, or have rules/regulations restricting it, but you can get around it if you really had to.

if its been done before for someone it can be done again by someone else is my point.

Even texas who always claimed they never change birth certificates allowed christie littleton to change hers, in order to persue a lawsuit on behalf of her dead husband.

and i do recall recently mentioing they do sometimes reject a name change request, and people here telling me i was wrong, they dont refuse them these days...and you dont need an attorney etc etc. sometimes, you do need that legal leverage with you. technicly, he didnt even have to give a clear explanation for why it was denied, but they usually come up with something.

-whats a dumb old judge know about genetics anyway? nothing. by his train of thought all those hemophiliacs out there should just bleed to death, because "god made them that way".

Bet that judge is a so-called christian too, but he obviously never read what Jesus had to say about people being born with afflictions or defects when they asked him. People that twist things around to suit their own personal bullycrap opinions really annoy me. if youre going to base it on God then read what God may have had to say on the subject or else leave it alone, i hate hypocrites, of any type. grr...

OK. i'm done venting now.

[Carolyn Marie]

easier to relfile it as a new request with another judge, OR move to another county, so its heard by a different judge.

The problem for the transman, Dan, is that a process that should take a few weeks and cost a few hundred bucks, at most, will now likely take months, cost thousands in attorneys fees, and the poor guy has his name all over the damned newspapers.

Not fair!

Carolyn Marie

[Guest DanD]

I agree with you totally on all that Carolyn Marie.

The only real reason the judge has anything to do with these things is to see that the legal procedures for doing this has been followed, and to approve it. If they dont, its should be because legal procedures were done followed properly.

but they do throw that part in there, that you can't do a name change for purposes of fraud. while he personally feels someone doing this is trying to defaud other people out of something, thats not this case.

his interpretation of "defrauding someone" is a bit odd to say the least.

The reasons for it being done should have been explained clearly in the petition. some people dont like to write all that personal stuff in their petitions too, which is a mistake obviously, you have to give a valid reason.

They allowed that criminal guluhooili or whatever his name was, to have his name changed to mike stone, even though a bunch of mike stones objected to it. it wasnt to defraud but to distance himself from his own bad name which he earned on his own by hitting that olympic skater's leg with the crowbar. but he had done his time for the crime and wanted a clean slate. amazing they let him do it actually.

[Guest Sarah1967]

That Judge is a (jerk) sounds more like Discrimination to me an he doe;s not need to be a Judge. I belieive that a transgender person went to court on a traffic ticket an went before that Judge he would probley send that person to prison for the rest of theire life..

Edited September 19, 2012 by Sarah1967
Starred word exchanged for a more acceptable word

[Guest DanD]

I agree with you totally on all that Carolyn Marie.

The only real reason the judge has anything to do with these things is to see that the legal procedures for doing this has been followed, and to approve it. If they dont, its should be because legal procedures were done followed properly.

sorry i typo all over the place and then it doesnt make sense.. i meant to say,

he only has to be there to assure that the procedures were done correctly, and they probably were.

he was just being a you-know-what.

[Guest DanD]

Yeah Sarah. or something equally stupid.

[Guest MsGsptlsnz]

I remember seeing a debate between Thomas Jefferson (played by Clay Jenkinson) and Alexander Hamilton (played by Hal Bidlack) where they discussed the value of the courts to the concept of human liberty. Now keep in mind they not only argued from the perspective of the two men but they alloed themselves the foresight to include all of our history to date in their debate. Hamilton said that an independant court was a better guarantee of liberty than the ballot box. Keep in mind here that Hamilton was oposed to letting most people vote and wanted a president who served for life, much like a king. Jefferson pointed out that history has not shown that to be true. The courts upheld slavery multiple times just as one example. The courts far more often rule in favor of status quo instead of expanding liberty.

That's what you get when you put an old lawyer in a black dress and give him a job for life. You get, more often than not, status quo. It takes a long time to get things to change with courts waiting for the old ones to die off so you can put in a new guy who is more in tune with 20 years ago. So that means if that judge died tommorow his replacement probably wouldn't know how to send a text message and barely can handle his e-mail account.

We really want people like that deciding the fate of our future?

Warren Zevon said it best.

It's the land of the brave and the home of the free. Where the less you know, the better off you'll be.

[Guest chngnwnd]

This ruling is so bad and so discriminatory - the judge should be removed from the bar association and his bench. I hope the attorneys representing these trans women make that move and succeed.

Bobbi