I Have Had It With Politics!

[Sally]

Politics is no longer about getting anything done it all, it isn't even about government it is all about assigning blame or taking credit for whatever just happens while the politicians are in the general area.

I heard it said that a country generally gets the government that it deserves and I am very afraid of what a nation of idiots deserves.

I hear morons saving if you want the facts go to Fox news while others go to MSNBC - the truth is we do not have a news origination left in this country.

I am old enough to remember when the news was not on all day long and therefore not just about face time for the celebrity hosts (I will not call them journalists or reporters) in those half hour programs they gave you much shorter and concise stories, weather and sports with a separate editorial section at the end of the broadcast - the opinions were labeled as such and not presented as the news.

Now all you get are editorials, not labeled as such but so biased that it only takes about 15 seconds after the credits (everyone has to have an agent I suppose) before you can see the TV beginning to tilt to the left or right.

Yellow Journalism was a bad thing when Hurst introduced it and it is still a bad thing but it makes money for the perpetrators of the great hoax known as network news - your average infomercial contains more accurate facts and actual data even while concealing the massive shipping and handling charges than you get in a full day of endless newscasts.

If you repeat a lie often enough it is considered to be the truth - I saw the first 12 years of supply side economics fail miserably and leave us with a trillion dollar dept, I saw the repeal of the tax cuts for the rich and the strengthening of regulations over banking and insurance and saw the surplus after 8 years, we returned to supply side economics with tax cuts for the wealthy and deregulation for banking and take a look at what was left behind a larger trillion dollar plus deficit than the one before - it did not work the first two times but I am certain that if we try it again there will be jobs for everyone, multiple houses for all, luxury cars in every driveway and no one will ever go hungry again - WAKE UP!

The clinical definition of insanity is doing the same thing repeatedly while each time expecting a different result - do we really want to put the inmates in charge of the asylum?

Insanity is electing someone to a four year position and making them campaign for a full two years of that term and expect for anything to get done.

Sorry, I am a bit angry when I hear lies spewing out of TV sets everywhere I go - I do not have a TV in my apartment at the moment and I will probably not bother getting one hooked up until after the election - it just isn't worth it.

Love ya,

Sally

[Guest Deanna]

Yea I have lost all hope with all the BS spin in politics. I am to the point I just avoid watching any of the mess. Other wise it just upsets me.

hugs,

Deanna

[MaryEllen]

I've lived under a lot of presidents both Republican and Democrat. As I see it, nothing really ever changes. The rich get richer and the poor get poorer.

MaryEllen

[Guest Melissa~]

The trajectory of a declining society is indeed difficult to change, something no one wants to hear, it's never been done before. Party cannot change fate.

That said, it's best to pick the party that works with the periphery issues and litigation that you desire, because no one is going to pull a rabbit out of a hat anytime soon.

[MaryEllen]

Oh Lordy. What with all the mud slinging going on, who do you believe? It's going to come down to the one who can sling the best line of bull crap.

MaryEllen

[Guest Melissa~]

This election is looking a bit like one of those Japanese obstacle courses where there is no escaping a mud-bath. It's just a matter how messy and whether dentist will get some business from teeth getting knocked out.

[Carolyn Marie]

Local politics is just as bad, if not worse. We have these ballot propositions in California, mostly because the legislature is so inept and corrupt that they refuse to pass important laws themselves. So they leave it to special interest groups to put together flawed laws that the public then has to figure out for ourselves. The ads on both sides for these things lie shamelessly, and one bad law after another is put into the state constitution. Makes me sick.

Carolyn Marie

[Guest MsGsptlsnz]

I quit voting over 10 years ago. I feel a whole lot better knowing I don't contribute to the madness in any way now. I can sit back and watch the inevitable colapse of western civilization without taking sides. It gives one a very interesting point of view on things political.

[Guest carolynn2fem]

I've lived under a lot of presidents both Republican and Democrat. As I see it, nothing really ever changes. The rich get richer and the poor get poorer.

MaryEllen

and the government only gets bigger. one thing they tried before is to make it smaller

[Guest otter-girl]

Hi Sally.

Unfortunately what you talk of is not limited to your side of the pond. I stopped voting and watching TV news a few years back. I wont choose between evils with my vote.

Hugs

Rachel.

[Sally]

Oh Lordy. What with all the mud slinging going on, who do you believe? It's going to come down to the one who can sling the best line of bull crap.

MaryEllen

Who do you believe?

No one!

You do remember how to tell if a politician is lying.

His lips are moving.

Lover ya,

Sally

[Guest Eliza_S]

I've stopped listening to the news. I had heard enough by July. I will vote for the people who come closest to what I believe and that's as much as I can do. But keep voting, folks. Don't give up. The more that "others" can harass you into not voting (however they do it), the more likely that they will win. The haters are always the loudest, but that doesn't mean that those people who are silent shouldn't get to have their voices heard. And remember how lucky we are to live in countries where we don't have to be scared that the government will check how we vote and come after us.

[Guest]

They're all the same. Just change the label on the door.

You can only hope that you get the lesser of the evils.

Huggs,

Joann

[Guest]

For some reason, the Who's song, "Won't get fooled again" keeps playing in my mind...

Love, Megan

[Guest]

For some reason, the Who's song, "Won't get fooled again" keeps playing in my mind...

Love, Megan

Thank you for the reminder Megan.

Huggs,

Joann

[Sally]

For some reason, the Who's song, "Won't get fooled again" keeps playing in my mind...

Love, Megan

I was so sure I had already posted this but it is not here so, we tend to keep getting fooled a lot - but there is always hope.

Love ya,

Sally

[Guest Sentience]

I take an active interest in politics because I don't doubt for a second that creeping apathy on a grand scale would spawn a terrifying monster.

[Guest Eliza_S]

Sentience, I think you are very sentient. And absolutely right!

[Guest MsGsptlsnz]

I take an active interest in politics because I don't doubt for a second that creeping apathy on a grand scale would spawn a terrifying monster.

I really wonder about that. I mean seriously, look at the monster paying attention has spawned. FAUX News vs.PMSNBC News. Right vs. Left. White vs. Black. Man vs. Woman.... The list goes on and on. We have been conditioned (here in America) to think of government as a zero sum game. If the Dems get a win it's bad for Reps, if the Reps get a win it's bad for Dems. If women get a win it's bad for men. Gays get a win, bad for straits. On and on we are forced into a false dichotomy where those groups in opposition to me I wish horrid things upon and celebrate when those bad things come to pass.

It's a sickness. The only cure may be apathy....

[Guest Eliza_S]

I think that in Europe at least, people felt very apathetic in the period between 1918 and 1938. And unfortunately, that spawned a monster. There was a time when the people of Germany could have said "no way" to Hitler. Austria might have had to go to war but they could have refused the Anschluss. And the English negotiated the "peace in our time" that led directly to the invasion of Poland. You don't have to listen to the news (and I do think that responding to the attention-seekers, which a lot of the talk show people are, just makes them worse), but you should vote.

I'm a straight (my daughter is TG) white Protestant woman with blonde hair. I figure that if I had kept my mouth shut, Hitler would have loved. And I've always wondered, would I have had the strength of moral conviction. Or would I have said, "Oh, it's just the Jews, it's just the Gypsies, it's just the gays."? It would have been very easy.

[Guest MsGsptlsnz]

I think that in Europe at least, people felt very apathetic in the period between 1918 and 1938. And unfortunately, that spawned a monster.

I don't think voting would have stopped the cup cakes. In Germany the seeds of his rise were planted in the Treaty of Versailles. That was something no citizen voted on, it was all done by people in office who had just won the war. No election was going to change that.

There was a time when the people of Germany could have said "no way" to Hitler.

Yes, and the winners of WWI could have been kinder to Germany and not bankrupted them to a point where they had nothing. But no, they were unneccesarily cruel which hit the Germans in their egos. Hitler rose to power on those sore egos. There was no way the German people would have said no to that no matter how invoved they got in paying attention and voting.

[Guest Eliza_S]

I agree with you re the Treaty of Versailles and how hard it hit the Germans.

But I guess I'd rather believe that it is possible to change the world. The butterfly wing effect.

[Sally]

It seems that almost no discussion of politics can go on too long before Hitler is brought up and he is a perfect example of giving the public what it wants.

As it turns out from his first 2 losing campaigns in his quest to be Chancellor of Germany he and his advisers learned that the socialist plans of supplying gymnasiums and schools for everyone was not enough to get him elected so they followed a very early strategy - the common enemy.

The common enemy strategy is very simple - you are facing an opponent of much greater force so you need to enlist help - the best way to ensure others' participation is to show that you are fighting a 'Common Enemy'.

In this case Germany was in economic ruin after World War I so money would be central to in-sighting the poorer people of Germany to rise up against their common enemy - in this case the Jewish merchants had fared better than most of Germany so they became the obvious enemy of the people.

He ran promising to divide the wealth among the people of Germany - his attempt to totally and permanently remove the Jewish people from Germany and as much of the world as he could control was sort os an unspoken agenda - that little part came out into the open after he was elected.

So he kept a lot of the campaign promises but his schools were used for training the next generation of soldiers.

Most often what we really need to fear from politicians is what they do not say.

Love ya,

Sally

[Guest carolynn2fem]

I take an active interest in politics because I don't doubt for a second that creeping apathy on a grand scale would spawn a terrifying monster.

that is happening here

It is my duty to be a informed voter.

[Guest carolynn2fem]

It seems that almost no discussion of politics can go on too long before Hitler is brought up and he is a perfect example of giving the public what it wants.

As it turns out from his first 2 losing campaigns in his quest to be Chancellor of Germany he and his advisers learned that the socialist plans of supplying gymnasiums and schools for everyone was not enough to get him elected so they followed a very early strategy - the common enemy.

The common enemy strategy is very simple - you are facing an opponent of much greater force so you need to enlist help - the best way to ensure others' participation is to show that you are fighting a 'Common Enemy'.

In this case Germany was in economic ruin after World War I so money would be central to in-sighting the poorer people of Germany to rise up against their common enemy - in this case the Jewish merchants had fared better than most of Germany so they became the obvious enemy of the people.

He ran promising to divide the wealth among the people of Germany - his attempt to totally and permanently remove the Jewish people from Germany and as much of the world as he could control was sort os an unspoken agenda - that little part came out into the open after he was elected.

So he kept a lot of the campaign promises but his schools were used for training the next generation of soldiers.

Most often what we really need to fear from politicians is what they do not say.

Love ya,

Sally

Sally I'd say You have just defined a devide and concure stratigy of wealth envy. that is a paralel happening here and now