Jump to content
  • Welcome to the TransPulse Forums!

    We offer a safe, inclusive community for transgender and gender non-conforming folks, as well as their loved ones, to find support and information.  Join today!

Arizona legislator proposes anti-transgender bill


JenniferB

Recommended Posts

You would have to show your birth certificate that matches the gender of the public restroom you are entering if someone suspects you are transgender.

Showing your birth certificate to use a public bathroom?

So stupid, and full of fear, only an Arizona legislator could propose it.

http://www.azcentral.com/community/phoenix/articles/20130319law-governing-transgender-use-restrooms-proposed.html

Jenny

Link to comment
  • Forum Moderator

That is clearly unconstitutional. There is no way i'm walking around with my birth certificate so i can use the ladies room . Sounds like a sit down strike might be good. Who knows what would be left behind when you stood up.

Hugs,

Charlie

Link to comment
  • Admin

Ugh! Every legislature has at least one moron in it. Let's hope there aren't a majority of morons there. So, first they pass a law requiring anyone who looks Hispanic to carry papers, and now they want anyone who doesn't look manly enough or girly enough to carry papers. Pretty soon everyone in Arizona will have to carry around a file folder with all the required papers they need to live their lives.

Full employment for Arizona cops, who'll soon be too busy checking papers to catch any crooks.

Carolyn Marie

Link to comment
Guest Sarah Faith

Well next they'll want to pass laws so that they can deport us too.. News like this makes me kinda glad I don't live in Arizona anymore..

Link to comment
  • Admin

The politest word in the responses was "moron", but now we will have to worry about offending morons.

Link to comment
Guest JazzySmurf

mmm, it seems very difficult to enforce... i.e., say somebody just runs around accusing everyone of being transgender. Perhaps, just have a large group of people in the state capitol accusing every legislator of being transgender. To be honest/serious though, I don't think it will pass; it looks to be the bill of one person knee-jerking and trying to make a splash.

Link to comment

Just reading the responses on the board, the comments in the articles, and how many threads started about the same issue, there is going to be a major backlash against this legislator.

I'm now wondering if this may actually turn out to be a good thing, and bring more awareness to what transsexuals have to deal with.

Jenny

Link to comment

I used to be conservative, mostly fiscal conservative and common sense social issues. It has gotten so rediculous these days, I'm voting democratic until the morons in the Republican party pull their heads out of rectal defilade which by what I have seen may be a long while. Is there no one in the Republican Party with an ounce of common sense? Someone who looks at people who have needs that really need government to work to solve problems. I throw my hands up. Kathryn

Link to comment
  • Admin

We won't know until there is a committee vote, but I haven't seen any verbal support for the author yet, even among fellow Republicans. I'll give the rest of 'em the BOD for now. With a little luck, Kavanagh may be the only "aye" vote on this ill begotten piece of trash.

Carolyn Marie

Link to comment
Guest Sarah Faith

Wow... I just noticed this state representative who is proposing this bill is actually from the town I grew up in.. And worse I'm pretty certain he's the father of someone I went to school with. :(

I wish I could say I was shocked though, but I'm really not. *sigh

Link to comment

The bill is changed, but I wouldn't say it is any better.

http://azstarnet.com/news/local/govt-and-politics/arizona-bathroom-gender-bill-revised-to-give-business-owners-immunity/article_50b615c2-9c84-5e59-998c-e8873abd6f5c.html

This revision could anger the LBG community too. Imagine if you are a butch lesbian who identifies as female, but is told she must use the men's restroom.

Jenny

Link to comment
Guest RachelAnn

According to an article that came out from the Arizona Daily Star:
http://azstarnet.com/news/local/govt-and-politics/arizona-bathroom-gender-bill-revised-to-give-business-owners-immunity/article_50b615c2-9c84-5e59-998c-e8873abd6f5c.html

There is, perhaps, a small inkling of the good senator's motives. Or, at least, a shred of a viable reason. He mentions:

Kavanagh said that preserves protections for those who may be concerned who else is sharing a restroom. "We don't want to have young girls in women's locker rooms being exposed to basically biological men in a state of undress," he said.

With the extreme awareness of child sexual abuse, this comment by Kavanagh, whether he means it truthfully or not, will have resonance to a lot of people. However this bill is opposed, there must be awareness that, for the vast majority of people, they will stand up for their children's sense of safety than they will for the rights of a fringe minority group. And WE need to be aware that though awareness and understanding of the TG condition has become better known in the past ten to twenty years, we don't want to make the mistake of thinking society is more aware or understanding than they really are.

Link to comment

According to an article that came out from the Arizona Daily Star:

http://azstarnet.com/news/local/govt-and-politics/arizona-bathroom-gender-bill-revised-to-give-business-owners-immunity/article_50b615c2-9c84-5e59-998c-e8873abd6f5c.html

There is, perhaps, a small inkling of the good senator's motives. Or, at least, a shred of a viable reason. He mentions:

Kavanagh said that preserves protections for those who may be concerned who else is sharing a restroom. "We don't want to have young girls in women's locker rooms being exposed to basically biological men in a state of undress," he said.

With the extreme awareness of child sexual abuse, this comment by Kavanagh, whether he means it truthfully or not, will have resonance to a lot of people. However this bill is opposed, there must be awareness that, for the vast majority of people, they will stand up for their children's sense of safety than they will for the rights of a fringe minority group. And WE need to be aware that though awareness and understanding of the TG condition has become better known in the past ten to twenty years, we don't want to make the mistake of thinking society is more aware or understanding than they really are.

I can understand this. Even though I currently can use the women's locker room at the gym, I don't because I don't want to make a scene and I don't believe I should until after surgery. Yet why didn't Rep Kavanagh specifically make this bill about locker rooms?

Jenny

Link to comment
  • Admin

The revised bill allows legal immunity for business owners who may use prejudice to determine who can use their restrooms. That is only marginally better than the original bill, and does nothing to preserve the rights of those in Phoenix to use the gender-appropriate restroom. Phoenix did the right thing. Kavanagh and company ought to leave it at that.

Carolyn Marie

Link to comment
Guest RachelAnn

I can understand this. Even though I currently can use the women's locker room at the gym, I don't because I don't want to make a scene and I don't believe I should until after surgery. Yet why didn't Rep Kavanagh specifically make this bill about locker rooms?

Jenny

Yeah, I'm the same at the Y. I can't legally use the women's locker, though they implied I could. And I can't use the men's locker room because I not only die from embarrassment and discomfort, the fact is that I was nicely blessed during HRT and have long, thick hair and wear a B cup. Yeaaaah... I'm not going to the men's locker room.

Fortunately, they have several family changing rooms, even one with a shower, so I get to go into the one-person/family only locked room and shower/change in comfort.

My next challenge is finding a trainer who is willing to overlook my 6'1" frame and deep voice and work me out with a women's regimen.

Rachel

Link to comment
Guest Mia J

I agree with Carolyn on this. The revised bill would still let a business to discriminate against just about anyone not only by how someone appears but by their own prejudice by being able say they looked to much like a male or female.

His comments about not wanting young girls to be exposed is only there to stir up the public to support this.

There are already exposure laws on the books that would take care of someone purposely exposing themselves.

Mia

Link to comment

I envision two things. Petitions all over town for his job on a plate, with big yellow posters that read. Mecham, Symington, Kavanagh, The Winning Team! That, and all the unclockable trans men, legally flash mobbing the ladies rooms at churches, sporting events and other mass public functions. They especially need to hang out there when his contistuants families use them too. Flood the web with those reactions.

I was lt go from a job resently, one of the employrs comments was that since I am male, my appearance was considered too disruptive. This was in reference to my breasts. They have since played many more shinangans claiming to the State, that I quit and was not termnated. Long story... JodyAnn

PS--- should I re-apply now that I am legally female? LOL! Not, I would puke.JA

Link to comment
Guest KimberlyF

to p or not to p :)

Guess all other problems in Phoenix are solved that they have time for p related stuff.

I agree that all of these public accommodation bills should be dealt with after these states fix their budgets and pensions and school issues.

Link to comment
  • Who's Online   3 Members, 0 Anonymous, 125 Guests (See full list)

    • RaineOnYourParade
    • Pip
    • MaeBe
  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    • No registered users viewing this page.
  • Forum Statistics

    • Total Topics
      80.7k
    • Total Posts
      768.7k
  • Member Statistics

    • Total Members
      12,033
    • Most Online
      8,356

    ArtavikenGenderflui
    Newest Member
    ArtavikenGenderflui
    Joined
  • Today's Birthdays

    1. afraid of self
      afraid of self
    2. Chaidoesart
      Chaidoesart
      (14 years old)
    3. Faith57
      Faith57
    4. Joyce Ann
      Joyce Ann
      (70 years old)
    5. Kelly21121
      Kelly21121
      (56 years old)
  • Posts

    • RaineOnYourParade
      happy trans birthday! I can't speak personally on the subject, but I hope hormones bring you the changes you're looking for <3 
    • MaeBe
      That’s super healthy, to see that something that becomes common has less effect on you and that you are able to decipher these feelings.   Sadly, this trend tends to only deaden good feelings as we tend not to let bad feelings attenuate the same way.   I have noticed less euphoria, but still feel the dysphorias that I have. Sometimes the good sneaks in and reminds me, but often time it’s just me seeing myself in the mirror and being comfortable about what I see when embracing my realized self. I may not get the same buzz I once did, but I don’t feel incongruous when looking at a more “drab” reflection.    Wishing you strength, you are amazing!
    • KayC
      Congratulations! and Happy Trans Birthday @LittleSam! That is such a BIG milestone.  I can still remember walking out of my clinic with my first HRT presciption.  I was on Cloud-9.  Wishing you all the best in the start of your new Journey!
    • missyjo
      maebe thank you I try to be. I thank God for blessings, try to share them, beg forgiveness for my shortcomings n vow to try to do better...2 priests have said no, God doesn't condemn you just for being trans...but apparently evangelicals do   I shall vtry dear thank you  
    • MaeBe
      Meet him at the being good to others part of Christianity. At the heart of it, there are excellent tenets of the faith. Those that condemn are judging, Jesus would have us be selfless; stone casting and all that. Are you a good person? Are you putting good into the world? If your gender is an issue for God, let God judge. In the mortal realm, let your actions be heard. 
    • missyjo
      and just fi sweeten it..I'm catholic n he hasn't been for years..he's evangelical..whatever that is
    • MaeBe
      Let’s stick to cite-able fact. Most of my posts have been directly in relation to LGBTQ+ rights as it pertains to P2025 and I have drawn direct links between people, their quotes, and their agenda. I have made reference to the cronyism that P2025 would entail as well, by gutting, not cutting, broad swathes of government and replacing it with “conservative warriors” (I can get you the direct quote, but rest assured it’s a quote). All this does is constantly force the cogs to be refitted, not their movement. To say that agencies have directly defied a President is a bit much, the EPA did what Trump told them to do at the direct harm to the environment, the department of agriculture did the same by enacting the administrations forced move to KC which decimated the USDA.      How about Betsy DeVoss for Education? Or Bannon for anything? What about the revolving Chief of Staff position that Trump couldn’t stay filled? Or the Postmaster General, who did much to make the USPS worse?   Let’s not mix politics with racism, sexism, or any other ism. Because Trump made mainly white, male, appointments—many of them not, arguably, people fit for service—or unwilling to commit to term. I can argue this because, again, he’s up for election and will do what he did before (and more of the same, his words).   Please delineate how the selected diversity appointments have negatively affected the US, other than being black, women, or queer? Representation matters and America benefits when its people are inspired and empowered.
    • missyjo
      ok ladies if I've asked this before I'm sorry please delete    ok so I have 2vsiblings..one is overly religious..n preachy n domineering..so he keeps trying to talk with me n I'd like to..but he always falls into this all knowing all wise domineering preachy thing tjaz tells me he's praying for christ to beat Satan for control of my soul..which is doomed to hell bc I'm transgender    I'd like to try to have a civil conversation n try to set him strait n gsin a cooperation n real conversation    any suggestions?
    • missyjo
      abigail darling what about extensions or a wig? be brave n hang in there  to thine own self be true  good luck
    • RaineOnYourParade
      When I first started figuring things out, I got a lot more euphoria. Every time a friend would use he/they pronouns for me, I'd get this bubbly feeling, and seeing myself look masculine made me really happy. Dysphoric state felt more normal, so I guess I noticed the pain it caused me less.   Now, it's more just that my pronouns and such things feel natural, and dysphoria is a lot stronger -- I know what's natural, so experiencing the opposite is more jarring than everything. The problem is, most of my natural experiences are from friends, and I rarely get properly gendered by strangers, much less by my family. I've found myself unable to bind in months due to aches, colds,, and not wanting to risk damage.    It partially makes me want to go back to the beginning of my journey, because at least then I got full euphoria. I'm pretty sure it'll be like this until I medically transition, or at the very least get top surgery (you know all those trans dudes online with tiny chests? Not me, unfortunately). It's a bit depressing, but at least I know that, eventually, there's a way out of this.
    • RaineOnYourParade
      Major mood, right here ^^^    I've listened to Lumineers to a long time (a major portion of it by osmosis via my mom), so that is almost painfully relatable
    • RaineOnYourParade
      As for getting a button-up/formal pants suit, you can try to talk to her more -- Cis women in tuxes have worn tuxes in recent years, after all, (for example, Zendaya) so it can still be a relatively safe topic. For jumpsuits, I'd recommend going with a simple one with a blazer, if you can -- this'll make it look overall more masculine. There's a lot of good brands, but going for one without a lot of extra glitz on it will make it look less feminine under a blazer. I don't know many specific brands though since I usually just get my stuff from chain stores, sorry :<   When it comes to your hair, if you can't cut it, you can look up tutorials on fluffing it up instead. If you can pull it off, it can look a lot shorter and more androgynous instead!
    • RaineOnYourParade
      As far as I'm aware, he wasn't -- he just sometimes wore skirts, which was why it was a question in the first place.   In my opinion, part of that is because of the way press spares attention on issues like that. As a bit of a true crime nut and what I see: Child predator cases' (and cases of a sexual nature in general) press focus on those with an AMAB perpetrator generally, and very rarely are AFAB perpetrators given much press time or even getting tried due to a whole bunch of issues I'm not gonna get into. Because of this, when you see these types of cases and a boy is the victim, it's almost always a queer person who is the one who committed a crime that gets press. Therefore, with the amount of cases seen with this type of perpetrator (and due to the fact "99% of queer people are not sexual criminals" doesn't attract eyes), the human brain can kind of naturally makes an association with it. It's not right, but it's also a fault I think falls partially on the media.   That's all my opinion, though!   This is extra confusing to me, as a feminine man is usually viewed as gay. If someone is refusing the acknowledge the existence of trans people, then gay would be the societal connection that comes after, I think. So, that sorta implies that trans women wouldn't be interested in women in the first place by those assumptions? Of course, trans lesbians exist (most trans women I know like women, actually), but it's a little ridiculous to me that people will deny trans people's existence, call all feminine AMAB people gay, and say that trans people are looking to peep all in the same breath.   Wow, this was a lot longer of a response than I was planning to write--
    • Abigail Genevieve
      For one thing, the practice of putting into office wholly unqualified people simply because of racial, sexual or national characteristics.  It is no accident that Karine is a Haitian immigrant, Black and lesbian.  Kamala Harris is a Black female. Pete Buttigieg is gay.  Often you find that Biden explicitly stated that this is why he hired them, not because of competence, but because they checked so many boxes on his little list.  It makes a mockery of people and is a disservice to the US. 
    • Abigail Genevieve
      I am not sure why people are in favor of unaccountable agencies with bloated budgets and wasteful spending. 
  • Upcoming Events

Contact TransPulse

TransPulse can be contacted in the following ways:

Email: Click Here.

To report an error on this page.

Legal

Your use of this site is subject to the following rules and policies, whether you have read them or not.

Terms of Use
Privacy Policy
DMCA Policy
Community Rules

Hosting

Upstream hosting for TransPulse provided by QnEZ.

Sponsorship

Special consideration for TransPulse is kindly provided by The Breast Form Store.
×
×
  • Create New...