Transgender Woman Banned From Idaho Store

[Guest Sarah Michelle]

Here is the link of a trans-woman that was banned from the store because she used the womens restroom.

http://news.yahoo.com/transgender-woman-banned-idaho-store-over-restroom-034559179.html

[JenniferB]

Why was she urinating standing up? She was asking for trouble. Long before I ever stepped into the woman's restroom I stopped using the urinal. I did everything I could to not remind me my birth sex.

This makes me wonder if she went into the restroom unshaved and wearing male clothing. It's people like this that makes life harder for all transsexuals.

Jenny

[Guest Kaylee234]

I was thinking the same thing, Jenny. It's unfortunate that so many details are left out.

~ Kay

[Guest Bellexia]

That's the problem I have. I have to pee standing up, thankfully unlike most I wasn't born with a huge package so tucking is no problem for me. However it is a double edged sword. I would like more information before condemning her like the rest tbh.

[Carolyn Marie]

I agree with the others here; not enough information. Something doesn't sound right. What exactly was it about her behavior or appearance that gave her away? My suspicion meter is at 9 on the scale.

Carolyn Marie

[VickySGV]

I've got to be doing something wrong, no one ever has given me a dirty look in the women's room, unless I smacked them on the behind with my purse accidently. It is not the Idaho trout I am smelling here. I fully agree that something is missing from the story and am surprised that TLC is commenting on it to the press.

[Guest sarah from sweden]

I agree there is somethng NOT being toled in this story

HOWEVER as i ALWAYS sed as LONG as we STILL have that wething between our legs regrdles how mush we HATE it ALWAYS refrain from using the ladies powder room and ALWAYS try to locate a handicap toilet witch are gender NEUTRUAL

Even tho i live my life 24 /7 as ME = PRE op woman i NEVER use the ladies powder room and ALWAYS go to the handicap or if thats not an option i try to go out in the wods or a SECLUDED forest plot

[Guest Wendy F]

Well she probably didn't really pass in the first place, and then proceeded to urinate standing up. As long as people continue to make poor decisions like that, there won't be equality.

[Guest Bellexia]

This thread makes me feel a lot better about my issues. I guess since I pass quite well but can't pee sitting down then I am hurting the cause. Best for me to go to the men's bathroom.

[JenniferB]

This thread makes me feel a lot better about my issues. I guess since I pass quite well but can't pee sitting down then I am hurting the cause. Best for me to go to the men's bathroom.

I don't know what to say other than to try and do whatever you can to not draw attention to yourself. If no one is complaining then you shouldn't have a problem.

Jenny

[Guest Bellexia]

Well to me it says a lot about this community when everyone is so quick to throw a fellow under the bus with so little information.

[Guest]

This thread makes me feel a lot better about my issues. I guess since I pass quite well but can't pee sitting down then I am hurting the cause. Best for me to go to the men's bathroom.

Hi Hon,

A while back, a coworker was complaining that a woman in her office refused to pee sitting down, and that she made a mess of the toilet. Now, I don't know about that issue, but, just wanted to mention -- not all women do sit to pee?

Like Vicky, I have never had a second-look from another woman in the restroom. It seems to me that if a person discreetly does their business, nobody will notice.

Love, Megan

[Guest sarah from sweden]

"Fractured sed I guess since I pass quite well but can't pee sitting down then I am hurting the cause. Best for me to go to the men's bathroom. "

Sweetie as you mien i THANK GOD also VERY tiny sositing down and ... Isent as easy as with a bigger one THOS i also usely stand up when in SAFETY (as stated above ) BUT i STILL say why force youre self to mens when yu can JUST as easily use the handicap dear ? (i presume those are gender neuturaula over there as well ? ) WHEN in womens cloth etc..... using the mens room wil ONLY drw EVEN MORE attention towards you hon and things CAN actually turn nasty as well

[JenniferB]

I agree there is somethng NOT being toled in this story

HOWEVER as i ALWAYS sed as LONG as we STILL have that wething between our legs regrdles how mush we HATE it ALWAYS refrain from using the ladies powder room and ALWAYS try to locate a handicap toilet witch are gender NEUTRUAL

Even tho i live my life 24 /7 as ME = PRE op woman i NEVER use the ladies powder room and ALWAYS go to the handicap or if thats not an option i try to go out in the wods or a SECLUDED forest plot

Even when there is a gender neutral bathroom I don't use it. I present well enough as a woman that I've never had a problem using the ladies room. Well...other than at work where my coworkers knew me before I transitioned.

[Guest sarah from sweden]

I agree there is somethng NOT being toled in this story

HOWEVER as i ALWAYS sed as LONG as we STILL have that we thing between our legs regardles how mush we HATE it ALWAYS refrain from using the ladies powder room and ALWAYS try to locate a handicap toilet witch are gender NEUTRUAL

Even tho i live my life 24 /7 as ME = PRE op woman i NEVER use the ladies powder room and ALWAYS go to the handicap or if thats not an option i try to go out in the wods or a SECLUDED forest plot

Even when there is a gender neutral bathroom I don't use it. I present well enough as a woman that I've never had a problem using the ladies room. Well...other than at work where my coworkers knew me before I transitioned.

Well then Jennifer dear permit me to CONGTATULTE you then (i trully mean it no Bs ) whether you present youre self as you say "well enough" (i have livedlike tis going on 8 years now i think so id say i do too wouldent you ? )if you go in there and start perfoming sed procedure standing up well AL i say there IS wimen that DO can and WILL take offence

And i STILL say SADLY as the socity curently is its WAY safer folowing my suggestion then pushing our limits like this (there are OTHER ways we need to push our rights FIRST) and sadly at the moment the way i see it THIS is a price we SADLY curently have to pay (shrugging my shoulders )

[JenniferB]

I agree there is somethng NOT being toled in this story

HOWEVER as i ALWAYS sed as LONG as we STILL have that we thing between our legs regardles how mush we HATE it ALWAYS refrain from using the ladies powder room and ALWAYS try to locate a handicap toilet witch are gender NEUTRUAL

Even tho i live my life 24 /7 as ME = PRE op woman i NEVER use the ladies powder room and ALWAYS go to the handicap or if thats not an option i try to go out in the wods or a SECLUDED forest plot

Even when there is a gender neutral bathroom I don't use it. I present well enough as a woman that I've never had a problem using the ladies room. Well...other than at work where my coworkers knew me before I transitioned.

Well then Jennifer dear permit me to CONGTATULTE you then (i trully mean it no Bs ) whether you present youre self as you say "well enough" (i have livedlike tis going on 8 years now i think so id say i do too wouldent you ? )if you go in there and start perfoming sed procedure standing up well AL i say there IS wimen that DO can and WILL take offence

And i STILL say SADLY as the socity curently is its WAY safer folowing my suggestion then pushing our limits like this (there are OTHER ways we need to push our rights FIRST) and sadly at the moment the way i see it THIS is a price we SADLY curently have to pay (shrugging my shoulders )

I'm not trying to be offending Sarah. I've sure had my problems with restroom issues. At work I have problems with females who knew me before I started to transition, and therefore I have run into problems. Yet I stood up for myself, and that is about to change.

I've had to use restroom facilities away from work for 11 months, because a couple women were uncomfortable. But I fought for my rights, and was willing to risk a lot, but am winning. I hope it helps the community at large and moves the cause. I am not going to allow fear to dictate how I live my life anymore. How I overcame this is that I had to be willing to live on the streets if things go bad. I stopped trying to live "safe", but stand up for what is right. It's doing wonders.

One interesting thing happend this last week. There are two restaurants where I frequent their restrooms on a daily basis. Ironically (or God intended) I ran into the employees of the restaurants in the restroom. One was the manager. And she said hello and had no problem with me using it, even though she knew I was trans. She actually said hello. The other one I ran into an employee of the restaurant I've known for years, long before I started to transition. And she said hello too. I'm not running into problems even though I'm pre-op and people know my past. I believe a lot of this has to do with attitude and confidence. You are who you think you are, and it rubs off on other people.

Jenny

[Guest Bellexia]

I am not going to allow fear to dictate how I live my life anymore. How I overcame this is that I had to be willing to live on the streets if things go bad. I stopped trying to live "safe", but stand up for what is right. It's doing wonders.

How is this any different than what the person in article did? Assuming all the facts are there, was she just not letting fear dictate her life? Why is it when she did this, that she "makes life harder for all transsexuals" but when anyone else, you me, anyone it's just not letting fear get to you? I am not trying to start a fight but I think before all the facts are there, we need to look and think what if it was us just using the bathroom and suddenly we are in the headlines? What would you feel if suddenly the community you fought for has turned on you?

I think we just all need to think before letting our judgments fly out. Just my thought and with that I am done here. Nothing else needs to be said on my end really.

[Guest sarah from sweden]

"Jennifer sed I'm not trying to be offending Sarah. I've sure had my problems with restroom issues. At work I have problems with females who knew me before I started to transition, and therefore I have run into problems. Yet I stood up for myself, and that is about to change."

Jennifer dear i NEVER took offence of youre statement dear and i mean what i sed you shoud be PROUD of youre self fore actully managed that,and like you i ALSO stand up fore my self and my life have /is DEFENETLY NOT a bed of roses dear (its most of it free to red in my profile )

"I've had to use restroom facilities away from work for 11 months, because a couple women were uncomfortable. But I fought for my rights, and was willing to risk a lot, but am winning. I hope it helps the community at large and moves the cause. I am not going to allow fear to dictate how I live my life anymore. How I overcame this is that I had to be willing to live on the streets if things go bad. I stopped trying to live "safe", but stand up for what is right. It's doing wonders.

Jennifer dear youre talking to a SCARED war veteran in this life so i COMPLEATLY agree and understand,what i mean whith safe is more we have to CHOOSE our battles dear( i had to learn that the HARD way in life ) as i also sed (two thumbs up Sister you GO hon ) its more a mater of fighting SMART then just head on hon (again i learnt that lesson the VERY hard way ) what good would this do IF you inndded ended up in the streets ? NOT a thing dear

"One interesting thing happend this last week. There are two restaurants where I frequent their restrooms on a daily basis. Ironically (or God intended) I ran into the employees of the restaurants in the restroom. One was the manager. And she said hello and had no problem with me using it, even though she knew I was trans. She actually said hello. The other one I ran into an employee of the restaurant I've known for years, long before I started to transition. And she said hello too. I'm not running into problems even though I'm pre-op and people know my past. I believe a lot of this has to do with attitude and confidence. You are who you think you are, and it rubs off on other people."

I can only BOW out of respect and TRULLY be blown away from the CURRAGE and STRENTH youre desribing Jennifer we NEED more likeyou dear. I agree 100000000 % Jennifer(high 5 ) thats the way i try to be as well in here as well as other Sites and YES it thos give/have given LOTS of "girls" the currage to stand up and come out and ACEEPT them self (something that tok me rougly 35 years )

"Jenny"

You GO Jennifer (slaming fist )

[Guest amanda_s]

I have seen this story else where better writen with a picture, she is clean i would say early in transition. Yahoo isnt the best at times for stories and there search engine is dumb and blind LOL.

Amanda

[Guest sarah from sweden]

Okey well then based on that despription id say it was sadly her Cherry that got her in trouble and she might have taken this particular step a TAD to soon (sad face )

[Ravin]

Being in the weird betwixt and between place where I have alarmed a few ladies in the public restroom, I seek a gender neutral restroom when I can, or at least single-person restrooms.

I admit I'm scratching my head at someone not being able to pee sitting down. My husband does all the time at home because it's quieter, and avoids accidents and leaving the seat up, and I've never known a cis guy who couldn't pee sitting when he wanted, regardless of the size of his equipment. Every little boy I've known while potty training was also first taught to pee while sitting, since generally they're not tall enough or reliable enough with aim to do it standing.

I do know many women who "hover" rather than sitting on an iffy toilet seat, and that can make a mess. That's what I would assume a reference to a cis woman refusing to sit means.

[Guest sarah from sweden]

Well speaking fore my self i have NO problems in actually sit and pee (from time to time i actually do ) other then i have to keep my VERY small (roughly 3 inshes)down AL the time or risk spill . What im saying its EASIER and quicker fore ME to when i only need to do nr 1 as long as i have the darn thing stand up and cant see whats so strange with that Ravin dear ? HOWEVER in this particualar situation of publick yeah id say its beter to sit down to prevent strangelooks. BUT i also understand those of us that feel its curently weird to sit and pee and prefer to do it standing up (and YES i would have seated if i were in same situation)

[JenniferB]

When I started my transition it did take getting used to sitting, and a few times I forgot, but long before I starting using the women's restroom. But after while it just became natural. Now I would feel strange if I stood, and sit without thinking about it anymore. Unless there is a physical reason why you must stand, I have a hard time understanding why a trans woman wouldn't sit when using a public women's restroom.

Jenny

[Sally]

Well, I do not have all of the information so I will not form any opinion - I will say that doing what everyone else is doing in the women's room is the best idea - it is called 'blending in' and is so much better than trying just to pass.

When I use the Ladies' Room at work I just go in and do my business then when I am washing my hands I talk to the other women in there - some of them knew me from before I transitioned and they just chat with me too - you have got to love New Orleans!

Love ya,

Sally

[Guest sarah from sweden]

Speaking "publick womens" toilet yeah i have to say its the BEST solution to sit and pee and if thats not comfortoble then yes i agree with you there Jennifer its better to use handicap or hold OR if possible search a SECLUDED forest spot, and IF i EVER would actully be alowed to FULLY transition AL the way and between the time of sergury and so on....... YES i WOULD start sit peeing AL the time. But honestly as it is with me now (trapped in limbo land ) it feels over the top and almost silly of me to do so now WHEN im in privte = home alone were i preety mush try to do AL my toilet And when in publick i ALWAYS go to the handicap or gender neautral one