Ok, Girls, Are You Learning?

[Guest Little Sara]

you look very young then I would have guessed that you were maybe halfway through college, so I was very surprised at the length. As it is, I am rather surprised (and jealous) cause one of them was after 4 years of growing out, and I have been growing my hair out for four years, and it's nowhere near that length

-Emily

This was over 6 years of growth, counting pretty slight trims starting at 4 years growth.

Also with jeans remember ladies that our jeans now are more fitted and snug than the men's jeans we wore before so watch about how you bend over or squat down because seams will pop (experience)

More fitted and snug is no joke heh, I've never fit into men's pants they always fell off. Had to bring them up every 2 minutes. But I never had seams pop though.

[Guest Elizabeth K]

SO MUCH INFORMATION!

This is SO GOOD.

Christy.dancer said something I just love - hugging a guy with a bra on! Oh my - its so different! I just did that with my son-in-law, with his permission - it was amazing.

So here I go again - been thinking - that's dangerous

Bras are made by a 100 companies in a 100 varieties, in a 100 sizes - most larger stores WILL give you a fitting is you are polite and explain

Bras are a really important item for your wardrobe as you wear them for comfort as well as support and concealment - if you find a good one buy a bunch

If the strap keeps slipping, it is too loose and tighten it, even if it is a bit uncomfortable at first

Adjusting a bra or camisole strap is a definate outing - women pick up on it immediately - men just suspect

Bras for starting out? consider sports bras - especially if you are on HRT and they hurt

Bras - women hate them and cannot understand wht transgender and CDers are so hung up on them - women rarely discuss bras with each other - too personal

So why do women treat MTFs better than men do? Perhaps they realize we are envious of their lifestyle, grace and intelligence - be true to that ideal

Not all women approve of transgendered and not all men condemn - so stay open minded

It seems the older generation has the harder time understanding gender dysphoria, much less accept it.

I said this earlier, a transwoman can be accepted better by women if she is trying very hard to uphold the ideals and grace of being female

Attitude is everything - but the attitude HAS TO BE - 'I am a woman - regardless."

To be feminine, we have to think feminine and actually be female - all else follows from that.

Women do not spit - to get rid of excess mucus a hankerchief or tissue is required

Women do not whistle - neither tunes , nor for getting attention of someone

Women growl a lot more than men - 'Ahemmmm' or Hummmph" of a heavy disgusted sigh, "huuuh" or an exclaimation of relief "swhewww."

Women leave huge gaps in a conversation sometimes with men - mainly for "you fill in the blanks, stupid!"

A discussion of personal nature will usually be foreshadowed by a position change of the body - a closer inching, the closer the more conspiratorial

Women are almost ALWAYS conspiratorial - especially with each other, and with trusted males - the shorter the sentence, the less accepted you are

Women love to talk, but are really trying to be heard - so woman to woman? Just listen and cluck or interject, oh no !, really? or something sympathetic

Men talk to be informational. When talking to a woman, men cannot wait to interject a solution to her problem - and she doesn't want that!

Women TRAIN to be good listeners - they take pride in it

Women are sweet and kind sometimes, then will turn to someone after and say "I can't stand her!'

Talking to a woman usually requires being on at least three levels

Speaking as a woman usually requires thinking on at least three levels, plus keeping a female voice.

Female speach has no shortened words, can't is cannot, and don't is do not - this isn't 100% but if you are learning, this is necessary to practice

Female speech has 'eeses' and they ARE pronounced - do not lisp - just accentuate

And do know to pronounce every sylable and to clip the first slightly and accentuate the last.

To speak like a woman, you have to learn the female vocabulary. Certain words are just not used - "belly" is an example.

Women do curse but in a female way- and using male terminology will out you

Coughing, sneezing and laughing will out you unless you know how to do these in a feminine way.

Women do not literally sing, but they will hum all the time when happy.

Singing as a woman is very difficult but can be mastered

Talking as a woman is very difficult but can be mastered

NEVER feel you are unable to find your girl voice, it CAN be done

A woman speaking is really singing - a huge range of expression - listen to a woman and imitate - wow

Sentences are lilted, especially at the end

Women speak in a quieter manner - in a hush - and the key is to learn to project a hush voice - as you speak

And most importantly - women rarely use the diaphram - all speech and breathing is upper in the chest. This takes a great deal of practice

Learning to find your female voice may cause you to lose your male voice - so be prepared

And women snore just as badly as men

Night shirts and gowns are soooo comfortable - just a touch of ruffle or lace is fine, but the naughty stuff scratches

Sleeping on your stomach with breasts in the way takes practice

Cold feet are best warmed against a partners backside - husbands have to provide this in the marriage clause fine print

Sleeping in the nude means you must have very clean sheets - a woman's skin is very sensitive

Women change sheets 10 times more frequently than men do

Wearing mens's shirts to bed - make certain they are not starched - a man's shirt and white socks looks sexy

Getting up in the morning as a woman takes practice - it must be done quickly before anyone sees bed hair and no make-up - puffy eyes and sleep in the eyes

Getting up as a T-woman takes being able to locate your female voice immediately

Make cetain not to roll over on the cat, cats love the smell of women, probably the sweetness of the estrogen - also the long nails for scratching behind the ears

Driving with heels is rather easy - but watch patent leather as it can get scratched

Never try to change shoes while driving

Heels CAN get snagged on the floor mats so remember that when panic stopping

Canvas shoes can be badly stained by stain and dirt on the mats - suede also, but not as easily

Wearing flats is okay - most women do - actually most wear sports shoes

Nothing is more sexy than red toenails - pick the shoes to fit that - but be practical for the event and the weather

Penny Loafers are best worn without socks - even in cold weather

Always carry (1) tissues or wipes (2) extra hosery or socks (3) extra money in your glove compartment

Women cannot risk being stranded on the road - always keep the car in tip-top condition

If an emergency, it is best to let a man come to your aid but NEVER open the door or roll down the window more than a crack - let the man do the work

Cars are really MAN oriented. You will never get the respect you deserve when talking to a mechanic or salesman - take a male friend if possible

Women DO drive pick-up trucks - and women PREFER SUVs because they seem safer

Women cannot park pick-ups or SUVs

Always have your husband or boyfriend drive if possible - that way you can sleep on long drives - or concentrate on nagging on short drives

Doing your nails while in rush hour traffic is a good use of time - but not recommended unless at a dead stop

Never try to apply lipstick other than the lip gloss type when driving - you might smear it

The cop that stops you is not 'cute," he wants to write you a ticket. Crying IS allowed

Always carry a letter from your therapist showing you are supposed to be wearing gender appropriate clothing as part of your treatment

And never ever let anyone say you aren't a woman when you really are. Even in an awkward part of transition, you are still a woman - and act it - know all women will fight for their identity - almost all women FEEL confident in their sexuality, femininity and gender, even if gender roles seem a bit unfair sometimes.

Be what you are. Live the life you love and love the life you live.

Lizzy

[Guest Donna Jean]

Women DO drive pick-up trucks - and women PREFER SUVs because they seem safer

Women cannot park pick-ups or SUVs

Be what you are. Live the life you love and love the life you live.

Lizzy

OMG, Lizzy...............you stirred the pot now......

This is from my wife, Darcy.......

Apparently she has a slight issue with that thought!

Here it is............................................................

"Women DO drive pick-up trucks"

Yes, they do. Most of us do it quite well. Around here the ratio of men to

women driving pick-ups is about even. This includes all age groups and

truck sizes (the newer city gals are slack-jawed amazed at this).

"And women PREFER SUVs because they seem safer."

They ARE safer, dearie! When I'm driving a truck NOBODY crowds me or cuts

me off. Face it, if you're driving a car made primarily of plastic and

spit, would YOU want to argue with 5500 pounds of iron and steel? You'd

spend the rest of your life eating through a straw, while I'd sand out the

dent in my bumper and be on my way. Now THAT'S girl power.

"Women cannot park pick-ups or SUVs"

(ahem) come over here so I can whap you one. I can park my truck just fine

thankyouverymuch. I can pull in park, parallel-park. I can back it up

using only the mirror. I use-ta-could back one up while hauling a trailer

and not get it all catawhumpus, but I seem to have lost that talent (I

blame the terrain around here). Oh, and I can park it on a hill facing up

or down and not endanger the general citizenry - EVEN IF IT'S A

STICK-SHIFT! (this talent became imperative seventeen years ago).

Otherwise, your impressions/advice was flawless and should be immediately

taken to heart (some of it by a few GG's I know).

Batting lashes and loving bunches.

Darcy

There ya go, Hon............

Donna Jean

[Sally]

I have learned that I just have to meet Darcy someday!

Sally

[Guest Christy.dancer]

I'm HAVING to learn to pick up on different interpersonal cues. For example, I try to run every morning. I have a little routine -- I run to a Starbucks (mile or so), drink a cup of coffee (currently: tall soy latte with two splendas). Check my e-mail (Iphone is my hero) and run back. Now that I'm pretty obviously in girl-persona, I've switched to a new route and, thus, a new Starbucks. Guy behind the counter has been flirting SHAMELESSLY with me, but only today did I start picking up on it.

Now, I've got to figure out how to flirt back.

[Guest Amanda L Richards]

Well hello everyone.

Wow! I feel a little overwhelmed by the amount of knowledge everyone has.

I have never given it a thought, about any of the stuff I have learned. There are a couple of things that I have that stuck in my mind, and some of the things I really agree with.

Things I learned through experience were:

When walking in heels, and crossing the street don't walk over the manhole covers or drainage grates. That amounts to a potential for a broken ankle.

When walking on some of the tile or brick floors in shopping malls, in any kind of heel or flat, be VERY aware of your footing. Those floors I swear were designed to draw slip and fall lawsuits, cause even rubber soled shoes still slip on them.

After going to the washroom, and wearing a skirt and nylons, make DOGGONE sure your dress isn't stuck in the back of your pantyhose. Not too good when some guy descreetly comes up to you when you have made it halfway through a crowded restaurant from the washrooms to get to your table all the way on theother side, and tells you to check the back of your dress.

A perfectly fitted bra will enhance your bust line significantly.

On hot days, no matter what you do, your panties are going to ride up whether you like it or not.

I both agree and found out through experience that tights under jeans are very warm on even the coldest days, and they feel great.

When wearing pantyhose, I have bcome very aware of the seats that I sit on. I usually run my hand over the seat to check for anything that might snag my clothing. Wooden seats are the worst next to metal chairs. Plastic chairs are not too bad

You can't run very fast in a snug skirt, can't get a long stride.

The clasps on the bras at the back, will dig right into your back when you sit on hard chairs or lean against a wall when on a bench.

And if you have long hair on a windy day, make sure all of it is not in the car doors way when you close it, either when you get iin or out. OUCH!

Long strapped purses are drawn to hooking on door handles and knobs, never mind some things on a shelf in a store with little room to move, usually something delicate like glass.

And this is my biggest laugh yet. At three oclock in the morning when you go to the washroom, ALWAYS make sure you lifted the lid ONLY and not the seat as well, who wants to fall into a bowl of ice water when half asleep.

I guess there were more than a couple of things. It just gets to be second nature to know these things.

And the learning never stops!

Luv

Amanda LR

[Guest DeniseNM]

Something else I have learned, since it is cold if you are going to wear a tobaggin hat and earrings be careful because the knitting will always catch your earring and pull and there is great pain when it happens OUCHIE OUCHIE.

Oh another thing I have learned is about walking as a woman. Men and women walk fundementally differently. Men walk with their thighs more apart and with the pressure more down the center of the foot from the heel to the ball of the foot. Where women walk with their thighs more together and with the pressure sort of rolling along the outside or knife edge of the foot as they walk (gives them the swaying or wiggling as they walk ). Christy is correct clench your butt as you walk (whether in heels or not) and it will help you walk more like a lady. It is something that we have to work at and learn to do (but it can be learned so that it comes naturally), it is all a matter of practice.

Just a couple more things to help us out.

Denise

[Guest TBForLife]

Something else I have learned, since it is cold if you are going to wear a tobaggin hat and earrings be careful because the knitting will always catch your earring and pull and there is great pain when it happens OUCHIE OUCHIE.

Oh another thing I have learned is about walking as a woman. Men and women walk fundementally differently. Men walk with their thighs more apart and with the pressure more down the center of the foot from the heel to the ball of the foot. Where women walk with their thighs more together and with the pressure sort of rolling along the outside or knife edge of the foot as they walk (gives them the swaying or wiggling as they walk ). Christy is correct clench your butt as you walk (whether in heels or not) and it will help you walk more like a lady. It is something that we have to work at and learn to do (but it can be learned so that it comes naturally), it is all a matter of practice.

Just a couple more things to help us out.

Denise

On that note I walk like a girl and I love it, I usually wear heels (like all the time) and they're always pretty big. I dress like a man walk like a woman, but walking like a woman is so much more fun!

[Guest shyheather]

ok ladies on the subject of getting in a car or truck yes legs together and watch your skirt don't close it in the door

you'll look fun going down the road

lot of good advise on this topic

heather

[Guest mia 1]

Wow and I thought I was an organized and well thought out writer. The only thing I can add to this wonderful topic. Is keep a light heart, smile, love and learn listen ans don't over react to your famine behavior. Stay subtle and mysterious. Keep the boys guessing, the girls have been their there entire life. Stay in the background and remember some pf your male pattens are also [art of your feminine personality.

Enjoy yoursel above all Mia.

[Guest Donna Jean]

Uh oh.............

A couple of new things I just learned....

In Ohio today it is 20 degrees...so...

Big hoop ear rings get REALLY cold and then they lay on the side of your neck.... (experience a few minutes ago!)

And, something I never realized..............

Those strings hanging down in skirts and tops are there for a reason.....

They're there to put the garment on a hangar............I didn't know that! (wife)

I'm learning a lot!

XXOO

Donna Jean

[Guest amie]

Uh oh.............

A couple of new things I just learned....

In Ohio today it is 20 degrees...so...

Big hoop ear rings get REALLY cold and then they lay on the side of your neck.... (experience a few minutes ago!)

And, something I never realized..............

Those strings hanging down in skirts and tops are there for a reason.....

They're there to put the garment on a hangar............I didn't know that! (wife)

I'm learning a lot!

XXOO

Donna Jean

Up in your neck of The Buckeye it may have been 20degreez?

Just razzin' yu, DJ.

We do get considerably warmer weather than you all up there though.

It's unreal sometimes the difference within the same state.

But that's one of the few perks to bein' a Pseudo-Kentuckian, I guess?

Yeah right.

Anywho...I've learned I function far better in a relationship such as the one I'm presently embroiled in as opposed to the one's I've attempted b4.

[Guest RainBird]

What's cold weather like? lol

Here the average day temp is around 89oF, luv the tropics

Anywayz, I have learned a lot, especially from mistakes.. moreso that I would be writing out a 5000 word post to say the least if I were to share details!

We never stop learning!

xxoo

[Guest Alice4016]

Hmm...

1. Never, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever,ever use any products bought anywhere but a salon...you WILL damage your hair in the long run, and become chemically dependent on their products (or risk breaking, or worse...slight balding while the scalp adjusts to not having that product if you were to ever change it).

-- Professional Advice/Exp lol ;p finally can say that ;p

2. A good straightener can really help in the between stages of growing your hair out. If used right on curly or wavy hair, you can usually pull another 1/4 to 1/2 inch out of your hair ;p.

3.Try your best not to fidget, or adjust your position all the time. It will be a dead giveaway...watch the other ladies around you. It'll take time, but quickly become a habit; and it'll help you pay better attention to your projects etc.

4. EXTREMELY (<--note emphasis on this) Drunk in public/on stage does not work well...you will make an idiot of yourself...male or female ;p Exp lol.

5. Feel right, if you feel wrong you will look wrong.

6. Smile! You'll look so much better...nature's makeup ;p

~ Alice

[Guest AniStacy]

Sorry that I take sooo long to post

Sometimes I'm just sooo busy!

Girl Clothes:

1. Fit the figure a lot better and they tend to show more skin too even the neck holes are wider! (Esp a v-neck)
   
2. They are made for boobs. Try to make your bust look like a bust, there are great ways of getting cleavage with a simple push up bra
   
3. The jeans have no penis room (OMW I said penis hehe...) So you may want to learn some tucking tricks.
   
4. Mini Skirts require a certain confidence to wear... They show off leg but you need to carry it off! CONFIDENCE CHICKIES
   
5. Leggings are the best things ever! Esp for a skirt on a cold night!!
   
6. Funky Alice bands make short hair femminine and fun
   
7. You're not a christmas tree! Don't overdo the jewelry (just my opinion... but hey its my post )
   
8. Black is thinning and sexy... but alone it seems lacking
   
9. Hot pants and denim short shorts have a way of allowing people to see ANY sags in the lower reigions. Tuck very well. Of course if you're post op you won't have to take the tucking advice
   
10. If post op bikinis to the beach are great! If not, wear a bikini but have a wrap-around fabric. Lets be honest. it can draw unnessicary attention! Lots love <3
    

In Society (If you pass):

1. Girls give other girls dirty looks. Its not you!
   
2. Some men will ask for your number randomly, others have more tact but some are perverted and will talk to you "in yo face"
   
3. Bathroom talk is bathroom talk, other girls will give their opinions if they feel they must.
   
4. If your friend goes to the bathroom... def go with! ITS THE RULE
   
5. You are more then entitled to try on 100 dresses in a shop and buy nothing. But its mean.
   
6. Flirting with many guys at one time makes you a very *friendly* person to other girls! BELIEVE ME!
   
7. Legs are always together in a skirt and generally close in anything.
   
8. Step smaller and light on the feet. We aren't gorilla women
   
9. Sloching is allowed for sure But not when standing or in anything that shows your cleavage never goes down well.
   
10. If slouching while sitting your back should be away from the back of the chair. And if you're conversing use the slouch to bounce up to emphasize your point and then you may slouch again if you wish.
    
11. If your feet are hurting, you may take off your shoes at any funtion. If you have back up pumps, thats great!
    
12. wearing guys clothes is acceptable and it can be kinda cute if you make it look girly.
    

Too tired to write more! will when I can

Lots love

<3 Stacey