Do the ends justify the means?

[Guest KimberlyF]

It is my belief that extremists in any cause work with the same tools. They twist or misrepresent the facts or their true goals to try to sway the center.

Another important piece is to defend your players at all times.

This plays out again and again in the DC political arena. Twist the truth, and back your team at all costs. I think the same thing is happening with Trans activism.

When Trans laws are discussed, along with other talking points, there is the public discussion that bathrooms have private stalls, Trans people are too shy to shower in the open because of their body issues and there are already laws on the books to prevent indecent exposure so these laws wouldn't suddenly make that legal and everyone who says they're TG has gone through a process of evaluation. They wouldn't just let anyone in there!!!

Then, behind the scenes, national Trans orgs are pushing for legal medical protections such as privacy of information without any medical proof of any condition. While currently anyone who wants FMLA protection under the Federal ADA for example, does need specific medical certification.

The activists also push for anyone who wants it to have full access to bathrooms, locker rooms and showers without any specific medical certification or treatment plan.

They want a medical condition without any specific medical requirements.

They are talking about kids transitioning during school with everyone at school knowing but the parents if the child fears that the parents could kick the child out of the home. As if these parents could never possibly find out? On this site many have advised the younger members to take their time because there are risks. Do we need to risk more homeless teens?

These positions are posted on the internet.

And people who have questions about things like this when the laws are being talked about have been accused of lying or being transphobic.

Is this all OK as you see it? Whatever it takes to pass the laws?

[Carolyn Marie]

It depends on the proposed law in question, and the particular "means" at issue. I won't attempt to further answer a question so broadly stated. Your feelings about TG rights laws are pretty clear, Kim. Thank you for your opinions.

Carolyn Marie

[Guest KimberlyF]

It depends on the proposed law in question, and the particular "means" at issue. I won't attempt to further answer a question so broadly stated. Your feelings about TG rights laws are pretty clear, Kim. Thank you for your opinions.

Carolyn Marie

My view on the California School law started at much the same place yours did. I just stayed in the same place. Require an established treatment plan and documentation. Work on individual plans.

I did mention some specific examples in my broadly stated post.

Do you or anyone else have opinions on...

-legal medical protections such as privacy of information without any medical proof of any condition (actually it's ALL Trans rights and protections without any specific actions taken)

-anyone who wants it to have full access to bathrooms, locker rooms and showers (no medical treatments or treatments of any kind required)

-kids transitioning during school with everyone at school knowing but the parents if the child fears that the parents could kick the child out of the home.

Do you think these are the messages that are being pushed to the general public as far as what they're shooting for?

[Guest ValerieD]

I just had a thought about the restroom etc. access with no documentation part: what if the law is phrased that way to cover really young transitioners, who may not have consulted with anyone but their parents before going full time? It's rare, but it does happen.

[Guest KimberlyF]

I just had a thought about the restroom etc. access with no documentation part: what if the law is phrased that way to cover really young transitioners, who may not have consulted with anyone but their parents before going full time? It's rare, but it does happen.

Laws can be written to cover any specific exclusion if you believe this to be the purpose, but in every story I've read with a young child, the parents would usually reach out to the pediatrician and ask if it were normal, then tried it part time around the house and then eventually moved it to school.

Are you saying you are in support of this being the law then?

[Guest ~Brenda~]

Being an international person and have seen the incredible dynamics that vary around the world regarding gender and things like bathrooms. It is my view that the culture of the country one is in, one must be sensitive to.

Arguments that seem relevant in this country have no relevance in others.

Brenda

[Guest ValerieD]

Are you saying you are in support of this being the law then?

Not sure. It's just a thought I had reading this thread.