Pat Robertson Restates Opinions On Acceptance of TS Folk

[Carolyn Marie]

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/01/31/pat-robertson-reveals-his-critics-biggest-misconception-and-explains-where-he-really-stands-on-transgender-issues/

I'm no supporter of his politics, but he seems to be open minded and fair about this particular issue. I'll give credit where credit is due.

Carolyn Marie

[Guest Brenda Hailey]

It is possible that trans people in his congregation stuff the tithing bowl more than any other.

Recognizing "if a person is truly born in the wrong body" is paramount here because there are so many people out there just doing this for kicks.

Brenda Hailey.

[Charlize]

Brenda are you suggesting my 1 billion $ contribution had an influence.

Hugs,

Charlie

[Drea]

It is possible that trans people in his congregation stuff the tithing bowl more than any other.

Doubtful. One would think trans peeps are paupers given the unemployment rates and other things that frequently get highlighted.

Recognizing "if a person is truly born in the wrong body" is paramount here because there are so many people out there just doing this for kicks.

And just who is doing it for kicks?

Maybe the answer is simpler, moral people tend to support moral actions. People may hate such moral folks for their beliefs, their political views, but if they respect folks that seems positive. I am not surprised to be honest cause I have spent my life around such folks.

[Guest Brenda Hailey]

It is possible that trans people in his congregation stuff the tithing bowl more than any other.

Doubtful. One would think trans peeps are paupers given the unemployment rates and other things that frequently get highlighted.

Recognizing "if a person is truly born in the wrong body" is paramount here because there are so many people out there just doing this for kicks.

And just who is doing it for kicks?

Maybe the answer is simpler, moral people tend to support moral actions. People may hate such moral folks for their beliefs, their political views, but if they respect folks that seems positive. I am not surprised to be honest cause I have spent my life around such folks.

My post was sarcastic in nature.

Everyone knows trans people would rather spend money on clothes and not a preacher,dont they?

Nobody is doing it for kicks.His statement about truly being born in the wrong body is in comparison to what? Those who pretend to be born in the wrong body?. If somebody is actually doing this for kicks,and was not actually born in the wrong body ,then it seems Pat would not be respecting them in that positive moral light now would he?

I too have spent my life around moral folks with their beliefs,acceptance,and respect that is one of the reasons it took me so long to come out.

Granted he said a nice thing about trans people,because he cares,or wanted more controversial views? Keeping the coffers full is a full time job. I wonder what all the other people he has condemned over the years think about it?

Pat says it ok for me to be trans,,,,,The Red Sea now parts making my way.

Even in his own congregation morality is subject to ones own personal bias no matter what tune the pied piper plays.

Brenda

[Guest Jenni_S]

I'm sorry that you've had a rough time with people that are religious in your life, Brenda. That doesn't mean, though, that every religious person is the same as those you know, or are all about money. Far from it. I've said it many times here before, but I'll say it again. No one in the Catholic church that I have attended, nor the Catholic high school where I continue to be employed, has had a problem with me and my transition. They are terrific people, and I am proud to be a part of both communities. They do many charitable things here in my area, and aren't out persecuting people left and right. They accepted me, as I am, and continue to welcome me.

Not everyone out there should be hit with the broad brush of "Christians are out to get us." It's a lot easier to use that broad brush, though, and demonize something rather than face them head on, isn't it? We seem to accuse the religious as doing the same thing, time and again, but I hardly think the trans community can say they don't do it, too.

Yes, there are lousy Christians, Catholics, and any other religion you can name. There's bad trans people, too. The vast majority of either group aren't bad or evil. Mr. Robertson did not say "It's OK for you to be trans." He said he feels "no reason to not accept them." You're reading what you want to read, and not what he's saying. Rage and hate can go both ways. No one does themselves any favors by holding on to it.

[Guest Brenda Hailey]

I'm sorry that you've had a rough time with people that are religious in your life, Brenda. That doesn't mean, though, that every religious person is the same as those you know, or are all about money. Far from it. I've said it many times here before, but I'll say it again. No one in the Catholic church that I have attended, nor the Catholic high school where I continue to be employed, has had a problem with me and my transition. They are terrific people, and I am proud to be a part of both communities. They do many charitable things here in my area, and aren't out persecuting people left and right. They accepted me, as I am, and continue to welcome me.

Not everyone out there should be hit with the broad brush of "Christians are out to get us." It's a lot easier to use that broad brush, though, and demonize something rather than face them head on, isn't it? We seem to accuse the religious as doing the same thing, time and again, but I hardly think the trans community can say they don't do it, too.

Yes, there are lousy Christians, Catholics, and any other religion you can name. There's bad trans people, too. The vast majority of either group aren't bad or evil. Mr. Robertson did not say "It's OK for you to be trans." He said he feels "no reason to not accept them." You're reading what you want to read, and not what he's saying. Rage and hate can go both ways. No one does themselves any favors by holding on to it.

I am certainly glad you found a niche to exist in the religious world without being persecuted and you feel comfortable, but from what I have seen in my life up to now it certainly isnt the norm from "any" religion I have encountered yet. I was demonized for being "gay" long before I was for being trans. Demonizing sinners is easier than accepting them isnt it? The trans community does what the trans community does brushing ME with the broad brush of "trans community" for speaking my sole opinion about Pat is just as egregious.

Yes I read what I wanted to read,and I see no difference in "It's OK for you to be trans." or "no reason to not accept them." Since when do I need a paid talking head to tell me, or "the trans community" there is no reason to not to accept me because I was "truly"born in the wrong body. So what is it to be falsely born in the wrong body mean then? Pat is the one who made a career out of,right, wrong, good, and evil contrasts.

I do know one thing for sure I dont need to meet head on the Cristian or Catholic establishment to validate who I am ,that is between me and my creator not another man,woman or talking head.

Call it rage or hate if you will,I accept being the bad person for not obliging his platitudes,given a chance I am %100 positive Pat would find something wrong with me to judge me over to fit his religious convictions. Just as I have about him to fit mine.

Yes Pat found it in his heart to label me acceptable,,,,,,compared to what?

Brenda

[Bulldog1948]

The only comment I can really make is- that for Pat Robertson to even acknowledge that we exist is big. But, for him to say that he has no Biblical [implied] problem with people who are transgendered is huge. Sometimmes small cracks can yield interesting results.

Whether anyone here likes Robertson or not is not my business. It each persons decision. I was just very happy to see the "crack".

Mike

[Guest jnemo]

Doubtful. One would think trans peeps are paupers given the unemployment rates and other things that frequently get highlighted.

Not if some of the people I talked to on chat earlier today are to believed - supposedly they make six and seven figures. Even if most of us are as broke as me, a handful of trans donors like that would be a score...

it certainly isnt the norm from "any" religion I have encountered yet.

Brenda, my rule of thumb is - a person is a good person, a religion or lack-thereof doesn't make them so. Religion provides a community and a support network for people, which does have a lot of positive effects for the people who are supported by that. And that can make it easier for genuinely good people to be supportive outside their religious community, like so many wonderful people are on here. That said, there are a lot of religions out there and some of them are welcoming (at least in theory, that can sometimes vary between congregations).

[Guest Sarah Faith]

Well I'm Christian my self as well, I grew up in a pretty hardcore southern baptist family.. While there have been struggles here and there I can't say I've been treated all that poorly by my family or even people in their church. There is a lot of group think going on among religious groups and often times religion is twisted to fit specific political ideologies.. but the fact that these issues are slowly becoming less hated upon is a good thing and should be encouraged.

There are good and bad people in just about any group of people and I know it is easy to feel bitter and resentful over the actions of some especially if it has impacted your life. Just try to remember that there are also many people of all kinds of different faiths who are warm, welcoming people who would not look down on you based solely on their religion.

[Guest Jenni_S]

Oh well, making assumptions doesn't make them true. I've learned that lesson more times than I can count. If you know what a person's whole heart is, from what they say in an interview, you're a better person than I.

[Guest KimberlyF]

How I'm reading this, Robertson is stating that he accepts some parts of the umbrella and not others. And not everyone in the umbrella consider themselves to have a mind/body conflict.

Does everyone in the TG umbrella have a medical condition that needs treatment?

[Guest Brenda Hailey]

Oh well, making assumptions doesn't make them true. I've learned that lesson more times than I can count. If you know what a person's whole heart is, from what they say in an interview, you're a better person than I.

Assuming what my whole heart is from this series of posts is a pretty big assumption on your part as well. Condemnation for not accepting other peoples faith or their perceived kindness to me is no different then what I am accused of. .

I am not better than anyone, and neither is Pat.

Am I automatically obliged to accept any tv talking head that spits a trans friendly statement out of his or her mouth because they are rich, famous,religious,and on tv for the sake of the trans community?

I never once said I did not believe in God,,,I DO ,I never once said I hate every person that believes in God either,those are assumptions.

What I did imply is that: "Pat Robertson does not own the rights to who I am,or weather or not I am acceptable as a God fearing human being."

Everyone wants to pass their judgemnt and label me the hateful bigot for not accepting what Pat says,,,,fine.

I think he is a liar and a cheat and a fraud as I do all well paid media preachers. <-----What tv evangelism really is has been proven time and time again in my lifetime. Does that mean I judge all humanity or those who follow charlatans with the same broad brush? NO. Everyone has a choice to believe what they want to and I will respect that until what they say has something to do with me and who I am as a person then I will take issue with it. For those who accept Pats validation of your lives that is wonderful, I am happy it makes you feel better and gives you more hope. It simply does not do that for me.

With that being said, I will once again censor myself from ever talking anything about religion its leaders or its followers so I can fit the majorities expectations here.

I imagine at some point this issue will come up with politics as well so I will just preempt that and add it to the list as well.

Its going against everything I believe about not living according to other peoples expectations of me, but I shall endure as I always have.

End Post.

[Bulldog1948]

As I look out the window and see the beautiful blue sky

I say to myself

Thank God, the sun is shinning, melting the snow away

That is until tonight and we begin anew again.

Batten down the hatches, Nellie That she blows again!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Darn snow machine, where is that stupid button???????

Oh, one more thing. I DO NOT NEED ANYONE to validate my life,lifestyle or me in general. I have always been myself and will continue to be so. I found a peace within my soul many years ago. I am who I am!!!