Progesterone the truth for Trans Females

[Guest]

My gynecologist prescribes my hormones based on what is healthy for a post-menopausal woman. I think this is far more important than concerns over breast size. Of course that's easier for me to say since I've already had GCS & BA over 3 years ago. Still, I'd recommend doing a search for the term "estrogen dominance" and perhaps starting here: http://progesterone.com/estrogen-dominance/ You can also go to amazon.com and search books by Uzzi Reiss, OB/GYN.

I think in your situation that would be correct. I will reach that myself in about three more years. I am tapering back as my body no longer produces hormones at the same type and rate as I did pre HRT.

The flaw in my mind is that we are not post menopausal starting out in HRT. We are starting a brand new female puberty overlaying a male puberty that completed so long ago. Therefore I want to hormonally mimic the hormones and levels of an adolescent girl as completely as possible for a few first years.

I can't speak for anyone else. I do not do all this just to get boobs. My GID, my heart, my soul and my need require me to experience all facets of true womanhood as closely as humanly possible. Don't get me wrong, I want to have the nicest biggest breasts God will bestow upon me, but that is secondary.

I get an attitude whenever doctors have to be pryed open, conservatively throw a milligram of estrogen and maybe a little spiro and then take the stance of here you go, something may happen, I don't really care if you underdevelop, you got your boobs girl wannabe. Now go play...

No true conception of why we may want to cycle just to understand and feel first hand what all the nuances and symptoms of a period are all about. Of coarse I don't discharge a blood mixture, I don't have a uterus to clean. Only thinking in terms of a period meaning discharge and no sex that night is woefully simplistic and selfish minded. I don't feel you need it, I don't, therefore you do without.

If they could only put us in the place of an adolescent girl that they love, who was born with a malady, that has a rather rare disease. Would they tolerate another doctor that said other people don't seem to need it, I won't prescribe it. Hell no! They would prescribe every treatment, medication, pill, injection, liquid, suppository, surgery, regardless how controversial to save and comfort that loved one. Feel vindicated that they helped that person to the maximum humanly possible and furthered medical science. Do we even get a small portion of that kind of care? Is there a valid reason for them not to care? Not to try?

They are so busy all about what they feel, what they can accept, how much involvement they are willing to extend... GGGGRRRRR!!!

Ooops, sorry Desi, you hit a wrong button. I couldn't turn it off until my battery ran down. Giggle. Hug. JodyAnn

[Guest Cyndysub]

JodyAnn thanks so much for posting what I meant but could not convey. You did a beautiful job of hitting those nails right on the heads. I totally agree with you. I never really felt right having a male doctor that just checked "All" boxes when hanging out his shingle. I look forward to someday (Definite Maybe) getting GCS to be as close to a whole woman as I can be. Japanese researchers have come up with a way to grow hair on hairless areas maybe in 5 years it may be in the market. Mitochondria breakthrough work as well as a Telomerase treatment that makes cells younger by decades. Who knows what will come in 5-10 years that will blow most minds (Not Mine) Humankind needs tech badly to help us with what's coming.

Thanks Again,

Cyndy

[Guest Seanna]

If they could only put us in the place of an adolescent girl that they love, who was born with a malady, that has a rather rare disease. Would they tolerate another doctor that said other people don't seem to need it, I won't prescribe it. Hell no! They would prescribe every treatment, medication, pill, injection, liquid, suppository, surgery, regardless how controversial to save and comfort that loved one. Feel vindicated that they helped that person to the maximum humanly possible and furthered medical science. Do we even get a small portion of that kind of care? Is there a valid reason for them not to care? Not to try?

They are so busy all about what they feel, what they can accept, how much involvement they are willing to extend... GGGGRRRRR!!!

This is one thing that infuriates me.We're so often thought of as some separate species rather than women who need help. I get this a lot from my endos at the VA (I've been through two). The first started me off at (unspecified per T&C, but astronomically lower than, probably 1/16 of, the normal dose) of Spiro and (about 1/4 the low-end norm) of Estradiol and only increased the dosages, ever so slightly, every 3-6 months. When I finally got a new endo, he increased them some (but still not to the point to actually obtain proper blood levels). However, this new guy has, again and again, referred to HRT as "medical plastic surgery." No matter how many times I have told him that my primary concern was not cosmetic, this is the term he insists on referring back to. Nothing I say is ever taken seriously with them and they always seem to view me as lower priority than their other patients. To them, I'm just "that guy who's trying to be a woman." I will give it to my nurses and PC at my local clinic, they've all been pretty awesome, but the specialists at the hospital (who tend to be quite a bit older) are very stuck in their ways.

Ok, I'm done with my rant. I feel better now.

~Seanna

[Guest Opal]

The Medical Professionals in the region where I live have a similar type of attitude. There was one Gynecologist who was prescribing and monitoring HRT for a handful of patients in the area, but apparently the Medical Group (company) she worked under suddenly had her stop. They went as far as telling the Pharmacy where I was getting my prescription that I had never been a patient of hers. The Pharmacy knew that was not true due to the records they had that were outside of my control.

This had an even greater impact upon a friend of mine who was in her third year of HRT and was cleared for surgery as soon as she could raise the money. She had to drop everything she was doing and find another Endro hundreds of miles away. She later moved to the West Coast.

Sorry if I got a bit off-subject here.

[Guest KerryUK]

Actually, this is quite a good subject. Some time ago now, my Endo said that she would see me around 6 months post surgery. This would be with a view to reduce my HRT levels more in line with with a woman of a similar age. I'm going to challenge that with her because I will effectively be around 2 1/2 years into my second puberty (puberty normally takes around 5 years). So why enforce a move into the menopause when my development (in theory) won't yet be complete? I guess that the counter argument will be that the risks of DVT have also to be considered.

Kerry x

[Guest]

I am not militant about anything, but as long as the eyes and ears are upon us, maybe it's time for us to collectively cry foul! We need to ask them publicly point blank educated questions and not accept generalities of morality and their convoluted evasive opinions.

Spare me your tired old smelly horse apples. Just exactly Mr John Q Public do you want from me? Specific answers, no superiority worming and squirming, let's throw some tables and watch the coins fly! You want to clear the temple, well so do we!!! To all my dear genetic friends:

You say I'm sick. What is my illness? What is your specific cure that works?... I'm waiting... Stop mumbling Bible verses, morality isn't medical, it does not cure an illness! No clear answer? Yes there is, your actions speak you loud and clear. Eradication, starvation, ostracization. How is that working for you?

Does that seem humane to you? Oh, I see... You regard us as something less than human!

You make imperical judgements about us under the assumptions of our genitals. Please list the exact number of people you have first hand knowledge of their genitalia. Documents are weak hear say evidence and not admissible in this inquiry. How was that knowledge given to you? Willingly, sexually, with complete knowledge and consent? Did you steal that information under false pretence?... I'm waiting Mr JQP!!! oh, I see... You base your harmful and malicious judgement over thousands of us, who's genitals you have never seen, based on your presumably knowledge determination of our gender based on millions of people you have no first hand of their genitals! On what then do you base their right to be equals to you in humanity bearing all bestowed rights there of? Why are we excluded?

What we the people here see, is your obsession to our conforming to your every emotional whim! Your self righteous deeds are inspired by God? Did he personally speak to you telling you to harm Us? Did he send you a message, letter, phone call, telegram or text? I'm sorry your clergy is also hear say, not admissible here!

You say it is in your Bible? What specific versions do you read? When and by whom was that Bible written? What were the circumstances surrounding that day? The culture, maybe the needs and opinions of the people of that day?

Did you truly study that Bible? Today, yesterday, last week, last month, a year ago, even ten years ago, or are you conducting yourself based on vage recollections and gossip? Did you verify those studies in both Hebrew and Greek?

Given your same situation, what do you think Jesus would do? Would he condemn us so harshly? Would he condemn you or condone you? Why are you so silent to directly answer and address with positive actions amd compassion? Have you no clear and sound reasoning?

As Jesus Christ is all our witness, we are none hold harmless, yet why must we exercise such evil? I'm still waiting for your truthful and heart felt answers.

As God is our judge, the plaintiff rests.

[Guest]

First of all, you have the right to appeal. You have been found as a perpetrator of misdeeds. You have been sentenced to life in an internal prison cell in your mind, to be lonely and isolated. You will not be stoned to death, just tolerated. I hope you can hold it for a very long time, as we have no restroom for you. Sorry.

[Guest Cyndysub]

Bravo JodyAnn. If you are not a writer you should be because you apparently have the talent for it.

[Guest TGTrish]

The more I read about people's troubles with their endos the more I'm glad I live in Alaska. Here, HRT is handled by ANPs, in AK they are licensed to function independently of a doctor's oversight, virtually are doctors themselves. Most all are women, quite experienced with women's problems, and most are trans friendly, even experienced. If I do my research, decide I want progesterone, I'm given it, if I don't want it, that's my choice. I my AK.

Trish

[Paula ult]

I am quite lucky that my therapist sends his patients to an Endo that as of today has been treating transgender patients for over 30 years, i had done allot of research online beforehand about different types of estrogen, anti-androgens and progesterone, i believe in being informed instead of just relying on the doctor knowing all, it turns out his views and mine were similar and i started on estradiol a 17b estrogen and spiro at dosages that are fairly commonly prescribed, he does not usually prescribe progesterone so i did not press it, after my surgery spiro was no longer needed but we kept the estrogen dosage the same as before surgery, 2-1/2 years ago i switched to injections mainly for convince, at that time we rehashed the progesterone topic, though he normally does not prescribe it he has in the past if asked and he started me on micronized progesterone, i can say i did have some additional breast growth and none of the side effects of .medroxyprogesterone.

It pays to be informed, do research so you have an idea as the the good hormones and the bad ones of days past.

Paula

[Guest Cyndysub]

Thanks everyone for your posts, they have been informative and I thank everyone for their efforts. I am ready to move on and not visit this again. Cyndy has left the building.

Cyndy