LGB minus T

[Charlize]

I found this article to be highly inflammatory until i saw the author.

"Joseph R. Murray II is a lawyer, conservative commentator, former campaign official for Pat Buchanan"

http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2016/02/28/gay-rights-trans-rights-south-dakota-bathroom-legislation-column/80710176/

Even so it is disturbing that with the least bit of pushback some in the conservative gay community want to go their own way. Fortunately i would doubt it is the majority. Even so it annoys me and is just one more thing i have to let drop to the side.

Hugs,

Charlize

[Guest]

that's strange, there is a conservative gay community? I never known any conservative gay people... here in canada some conservatives are fighting against the gay community pretty hard. It's surprising to mix the two. I rembember Caitlyn Jenner saying she's conservative and I was as surprised. In my life conservative people have done nothing else then pushing me towards depression and suicide by all means possible (in my real life context). It's always baffling to me, again, in my context.

Strenght is in number ain't it?

I feel we sometimes forget that the rights we all gained in the past 30/40 years can easily be lost. I think we must stick together

[Guest Raya]

This so well illustrates the exclusionary trap that captures so many.

"Now that the box includes me, we need to shut it"

[Sally]

What is overlooked, along with being totally dismissed, is the part that the T has played in gaining the rights for the LGB.

Also they so quickly forget that without the appropriate numbers to defeat the Great Trans Bathroom War - they will be the next target for bathroom banishment. The very people that he cites as not wanting a boy using the bathrooms and locker rooms with their daughters do not want a gay male using the restroom with their sons.

This isn't just stepping onto a slippery slope for the entire community, it's like deciding to enter the skeleton in the Olympics!

Just my humble opinion,

Sally

[Guest Kenna Dixon]

The very people that he cites as not wanting a boy using the bathrooms and locker rooms with their daughters do not want a gay male using the restroom with their sons.

That's such a good point, Sally, and one I had never considered until now.

With certain people being so convinced that gay men are predatory toward children, I'm surprised the issue hasn't been raised.

[Charlize]

I agree Sally that could certainly be used against the gay population. There are certainly plenty of homophobic folks who would delight in putting a pink triangle on gays just as was done during WW2 in Germany.

The problem is that many of us do stand out just as if we we wearing that triangle. Gays go well under the radar unless they do make a pass at someone or are seen holding hands with their boyfriends.

I just hope this kind of wake rhetoric doesn't go too much farther but as we make progress there is bound to be pushback. Heck we even have trouble confirming women's rights. Considering that we're doing pretty well.

Hugs,

Charlize

[MarcieMarie12]

that's strange, there is a conservative gay community? I never known any conservative gay people... here in canada some conservatives are fighting against the gay community pretty hard. It's surprising to mix the two. I rembember Caitlyn Jenner saying she's conservative and I was as surprised. In my life conservative people have done nothing else then pushing me towards depression and suicide by all means possible (in my real life context). It's always baffling to me, again, in my context.

Its the problem in US politics, conservative has become the republican litmus test, both social and economic. It will be interesting to see if Caitlyn severs ties with the republican party in the near future over their support of bathroom bills..

[Carolyn Marie]

Luckily, his is just one voice. How influential his voice is remains to be seen. I have personally talked with a great many gay and lesbian folks who don't feel like he does, and would never throw us under the bus. Conservative gays and lesbians are just as rare as conservative trans folk, IMO.

As for throwing us under the bus, we seem to have quite a knack for doing that to ourselves.

Carolyn Marie