Indiana Bill Would Hijack Conversion Therapy Laws To Ban Transition

[Ivy]

https://erininthemorn.substack.com/p/indiana-bill-would-hijack-conversion?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email

 

 "Indiana HB1118 would ban gender transition for trans youth by placing it in a new law banning physical conversion therapy. It defines gender transition, ridiculously, as a form of conversion therapy and says that anybody who obtains gender transition for trans youth should be investigated for child abuse. The bill then defines violations as a level 5 felony.

 

The new Indiana bill states that “a health care professional may not purposefully attempt to change, reinforce, or affirm a minors perception of the minor’s own sexual attraction or sexual behavior, or attempt to change, reinforce, or affirm a minor’s gender identity when that identity is inconsistent with the minors biological sex, by engaging in any of the following activities.” The bill then goes on to list several activities that are brutal and that anyone would agree should be banned: subjecting genitals to electric currents, wrapping the minors hands in heat coils, subjecting a minor to an ice bath. Alongside these forms of conversion therapy torture, it lists puberty blockers and hormone therapy."

 

So not trying to change a person's identity is now conversion therapy.

 

And puberty blockers and hormone therapy = "conversion therapy torture."

 

And I saw that there is a bill proposed in VA that would force-out a trans kid in the name of preventing suicide.

 

 

[Ivy]

Here's something about the VA bill.

https://lis.virginia.gov/cgi-bin/legp604.exe?231+ful+HB1707

 

"New Virginia bill HB1707, if passed, would hijack suicide laws to mandate teachers out trans students to parents." 

 

"that such student is at imminent risk of suicide, --or that such student is self-identifying as a gender that is different than his biological sex--"

 

Apparently self-identifying as trans automatically makes one suicidal.

[Ivy]

I'm personally not a minor.  So, so far these bills shouldn't affect me personally.  But I suppose sooner or later they'll get to us older trans-folks too.

 

I should probably stay off the internet for my own mental health, and just wait to be blindsided when it's my turn.  This stuff is so depressing.  It's understandable to be suicidal.

[Carolyn Marie]

Yes, the language of some of these bills is becoming so extreme that they've become irrational and contradictory.  So if a gender non-conforming child is outed to their parents by the school staff, and then becomes suicidal or commits suicide, who will be at fault?  Not the legislature, not the governor, not the school.  Ah, it will be the fault of any website or organization that the kid used to find information or support or solace.  That's who they will blame!  PFLAG better get itself lawyered-up.

 

Carolyn Marie

[VickySGV]

48 minutes ago, Carolyn Marie said:

PFLAG better get itself lawyered-up.

They already have been working on this stuff.   A friend of mine is one of their legislative analysts and we talked a day or two ago. As said some of these are sounding like 4th grade creative writing  fantasy essays.  It is actually that type of imaginary legislation that will help us counter them and which their own State attorney's will shoot back at them.

[Trans22]

7 hours ago, Ivy said:

I should probably stay off the internet for my own mental health, and just wait to be blindsided when it's my turn.  This stuff is so depressing.  It's understandable to be suicidal.

I agree in principle.  I've been avoiding news media for many years now, probably why 'transgender' was unknown to me until 2021.  It's probably also why I didn't understand medical people's warnings against my transitioning.  I only found out about JK Rowling's transphobic words over the Christmas break just past.  It's taken me well over a week to get over this discovery - I've read her Harry Potter book series more than 10 times (every book).  I'm not sure I'll ever be able to read them again.

[Davie]

On 1/10/2023 at 10:34 PM, Trans22 said:

I agree in principle.  I've been avoiding news media for many years now, probably why 'transgender' was unknown to me until 2021.  It's probably also why I didn't understand medical people's warnings against my transitioning.  I only found out about JK Rowling's transphobic words over the Christmas break just past.  It's taken me well over a week to get over this discovery - I've read her Harry Potter book series more than 10 times (every book).  I'm not sure I'll ever be able to read them again.

"In the last week, Posie Parker has:
1) Happily campaigned alongside actual unhealthy politics.
2) Had her security assault at least 2 women.
3) Platformed an anti-abortionist.
4) Got cold soup thrown at her.
Guess which one @jk_rowling is outraged about."
      — Andrew James Carter @Carter_AndrewJ

 

[Vidanjali]

One form of conversion "therapy" which was once imposed on gay men was to administer estrogen or androgen blockers. It was believed that such treatment would decrease the libido and thus curb the "deviant" behavior. For gay cismen, it was indeed torture. And now they're weaponizing anti-conversion therapy standpoint against trans people? So twisted. 

[awkward-yet-sweet]

One more government joy.  And don't forget, there's a lot of "therapy" and "counseling" out there that is basically just Conversion Therapy Lite.  I was subjected to some of that.  There's plenty of legal ways for those in power to mess with a person's mind.