Biden Admin Won't Defend Transgender Mandate for Catholic Hospitals & Doctors

[Carolyn Marie]

https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/254632/no-transgender-mandate-for-catholic-docs-and-groups-as-biden-admin-declines-to-defend-it-further

 

This was a losing battle, so I'm not upset that the Biden Admin caved. Trans folk should save themselves grief and avoid Catholic-run hospitals & clinics at all costs.

 

Carolyn Marie

[Charlize]

We do have freedom of religion and it seems the male dominated boys club (who often are seen in skirts) has more of an issue with trans and women's issues than they due regarding child abuse.

The fact that doctors swear to "do no harm" is considered by most at this point as a need to help not deny trans care.

I do question whether another male dominated religion would be allowed to deny women  an education or force them to wear head covering.  

 

Hugs,

 

Charlize

[Ivy]

1 hour ago, Charlize said:

I do question whether another male dominated religion would be allowed to deny women  an education or force them to wear head covering.

In theory, a woman could leave such a religion (at least in the US).  So she consents by staying in.

 

7 hours ago, Carolyn Marie said:

Trans folk should save themselves grief and avoid Catholic-run hospitals & clinics at all costs.

I'm not sure I would want a surgeon cutting on me that was against what they were doing.  

[Charlize]

4 hours ago, Ivy said:

In theory, a woman could leave such a religion (at least in the US).  So she consents by staying in.

Well it seems the participants of the religions of some folks have stopped women's control of birth control out of her hands in many states across the country.  I guess she is free to flee from those religiously controlled states.

 

Hugs,

 

Charlize

[Ivy]

It's infuriating how they feel entitled to interfere in people's personal lives.

[awkward-yet-sweet]

I don't support mandates.  Private institutions that don't take government money have a right to their own way of doing things.  No shirt, no shoes, no original gender, no service... whatever.  I trust that the nature of the free market will always provide an alternative if things aren't artificially rigged against it.  It is that last little part that is difficult...there are too many political forces on all sides that seem hell-bent on not having a real free market. 

[Ivy]

10 hours ago, awkward-yet-sweet said:

Private institutions that don't take government money have a right to their own way of doing things.  No shirt, no shoes, no original gender, no service... whatever. 

Are there really any private organizations that don't derive some benefits from the government?  I mean, we all drive on roads made and maintained by the "Government."  I'm not trying to be a smart *ss, just pointing out that we all depend on society in some way, and "society" is organized by "government" for better or worse.  As much as we want to believe so, nobody is completely independent.

[awkward-yet-sweet]

@Ivy While I think your example might not be the best (roads are government property often maintained by private contractors), I see your point...and that is one of the biggest problems with the nation! 

 

I believe that the government hands out money in order to worm its way into control of nearly everything.  It is humans' natural desire to try to get something for nothing.  "Oh look!  Free money!"  Unfortunately, letting government money into any organization is like letting a snake sit at your dinner table.  During COVID, when my county objected to the heavy-handed rules of the state, the first thing our leaders did was to reject and send back the state/federal funds we had been getting for roads, schools, law enforcement, etc...  It takes creative thinking to step away from the "free" pig trough, but freedom is worth the work. 

 

There are still a quite a few private schools, private hospitals, and private colleges that don't take the government dollar.  Not as many as there should be, but I know a lot of Catholic Schools and hospitals have been able to do so because the Catholic Church is wealthy.  So, if the hospital isn't taking government money, then the government shouldn't be telling them what to do.  If the hospital IS taking government money in some form...they'd better look at sending that back if they want to have things their way.  As for trans folks receiving gender-affirming care, better to avoid faith-based hospitals.  I don't think that in most cases that is a hardship, as there's plenty of others. 

[Ivy]

1 hour ago, awkward-yet-sweet said:

"Oh look!  Free money!" 

Oh, it's not "free."  Taxes are still taxes.  That's what they're supposed to be for.

I guess the real issue is control.  

And discrimination.  

Does the government have a responsibility to protect minorities from discrimination/persecution?  Yes or no.  I suppose it's not specifically in the constitution, I'm not sure.

So the lawyers stay busy.

[awkward-yet-sweet]

@Ivy I agree... no such thing as a free lunch.  But it has the appearance of being free to those organizations that receive it.  They don't see the taxation, or the strings attached to it.  I think that is an extremely dangerous illusion.  I'm of the opinion that an appropriate system can run entirely without taxing individuals, but most people don't want to reduce the government that far because they like the "free" stuff they get. 

 

To me, the government's responsibilities should be limited, and the Federal government should pretty much just exist to secure our national border from outside threat and place high tariffs on imports, with all other responsibilities handled by state and local governments. 

 

I don't believe that the government has some kind of "affirmative duty to protect" different groups against discrimination.  Maintaining the legal and financial systems themselves as level playing fields would be sufficient, and that's something that hasn't happened yet.  But that's wandering off the scope of the thread 😏