If Donald Trump didn't have Secret Service protection, he would have been jailed.

[Davie]

Will Trump be jailed? "If Donald Trump was anybody other than a person with Secret Service protection, he would have been jailed for contempt of court," said Mitchell Epner, an attorney who handles commercial litigation.: Legal experts see uphill battle in fraud case.
 

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-67366022

[Charlize]

I hadn't thought of the fact that the secret service would continue to protect him even in prison.  I doubt he will have to serve time.  As a perpetual liar and self promoter he continues to cause problems.  I'm looking forward to seeing him disappear quietly into his own lair.

 

Hugs,

 

Charlize

[Ivy]

1 hour ago, Charlize said:

 I'm looking forward to seeing him disappear quietly into his own lair.

I doubt it will happen.  It would probably kill him.

[awkward-yet-sweet]

I think the cases are ridiculous and partisan.  The Democrats have thrown everything but the kitchen sink at him since 2016, simply for the sake of doing it.  They're just trying every possible avenue to get him off the ballot. 

The amusing thing to me about this case is that property value fraud usually goes in the opposite direction.  Why?  Property taxes!  If Trump's properties were worth less than he said they were, they were likely assessed high and he likely paid excess tax.  So who got defrauded, if the government got extra?  Maybe some bank or real-estate scum?  Cry me a river...

 

• If Trump was smart (which he isn't), he'd have done things differently.  He would have checked up on his accountants rigorously, knowing that financial records (especially campaign stuff) are a major way political opponents (especially Democrats, it seems) target people.  Its a regular part of the playbook, and why anybody is surprised these days is a mystery to me.   
• If Trump was smart (which he isn't), he would have used his presidency to act like a dictator and ruthlessly eliminate his enemies, and use physical means to establish his power.  It is kind of a dictator tradition, after all.  But there isn't even a RUMOR of a "Trump body trail" the same way there is for the Clintons.  Nobody inconvenient has disappeared, or even been scared into silence.  He found out the hard way that you can't play Boardroom Bully when the Mob wears the same fancy suit you're wearing.
• If Trump was smart (which he isn't), he would have had the leadership skills to deal with January 6th.  As a leader, when there's riots in your name, you get two choices - jump on it and squash it flat, or act like you're the 2nd coming of Napoleon Bonaparte and jump in front to lead it.  Either by negligence or attempting to appear uninvolved, he did neither.  Epic dumb. 
• If Trump was smart (which he isn't), he would have left the country after failing in January 2021.  Sell off assets and find a nice, non-extradition country with a pleasant climate and friendly locals.  Spend his golden years in comfort and peace with his supermodel wife.  He should have known they would come for him, and that even if he repeatedly succeeds at defending himself, it will continue to be death by a thousand cuts long after 2024.
• If Trump was smart (which he isn't), he'd understand the logic that "election-rigging" in 2024 would be even tougher to beat than in 2020 or 2016.  Regardless of whether you believe 2020 was honest or not, the logic remains: He wasn't able to "stop the steal" then, why would he think that anything has changed when the opposition has had years to consolidate power and fix the bugs?  Insanity is trying the same thing again and expecting a different result, especially when the circumstances are more difficult. 

All I can say is that 2024 is going to be a real (feces)show.

[Ivy]

Things under the Trump administration could have been a lot worse.  He claimed he was exonerated in the "Russian Hoax" but wasn't exactly.  It merely said there was not enough evidence to charge him.  (And besides, you couldn't charge a president)  But there was evidence.  

 

Some of the attempts to overturn the election were only thwarted when members of his own administration refused to go along with them.

 

There is evidence that he actually did try to join the riot at the capital, but was restrained by the secret service.

 

He and his cronies wanted to invoke the insurrection act, but the military refused to go along with it.

 

We've all heard the recordings of him trying to get the Georgia Secretary of State to "find" him enough votes to flip the state for him.

 

But of course, the more we find out about this stuff, only makes his followers love him more. (and give him their money).  Don't tell me it's not a cult.

 

He's already telling us how he plans to pull off the coup next time.  And there are people ready to happily go along with it.  "We'll get those libtards!"  "Take back our country!"

 

Sure, politics had something to do with some of the things he's charged with.  But what does it take?  That orange stuff is teflon apparently.