Trigender

[Guest ericc]

Usually I identify as Angrogyne / Bigender but someone told me that I might be Trigendered. I was wondering if someone can tell me a little more about it. I heard that it's genderless, Masculine and Feminine depending on the mood of the indivisual.

[Guest Deeedoo]

I think I have that, only I can also be both sometimes. I think some people are saying that's what Androgyne is.

[Guest Elizabeth K]

WOW

I just want to be gendered! That's whatever I feel at the moment.

Hummm... usually female these days...

So many labels...

Elizabeth

[Guest Ryles_D]

I think I have that, only I can also be both sometimes. I think some people are saying that's what Androgyne is.

Androgyne is a mix of both- about 50% male and 50% female. Genderfluid is when your gender changes, fluidly, if you shift from fully male to fully female then that's bigender, and so ona nd so forth.

[Guest Pioneer]

So genderfluid and trigender are samething? Feeling more male or feamle on a given day depending on mood?

[Guest androgynous]

Androgyne is a mix of both- about 50% male and 50% female. Genderfluid is when your gender changes, fluidly, if you shift from fully male to fully female then that's bigender, and so ona nd so forth.

Hm. interesting. But bigender is more like crossdressing right? or am I wrong here?

In tests I did I was around 60% female and 40% male, which is something I somewhat agree upon. Though I like to see myself 50-50. I guess it changes sometimes due to social (peer) pressure and expectancy, but when in private it really is in balance.

[Guest skyy]

i wonder what its called when you switch between male, female, both, and neither. that is Deeedoo in a nutshell.

[Guest Ryles_D]

So genderfluid and trigender are samething? Feeling more male or feamle on a given day depending on mood?

Genderfluid is a more general term- it's fluidly shifting between points on the gender map. It could be between male/female, between male/androgyne/neutrois, even between several points of genderqueer.

Bigender is when you switch between male and female, Trigender is shifting between male, female and another gender.

Hm. interesting. But bigender is more like crossdressing right? or am I wrong here?

In tests I did I was around 60% female and 40% male, which is something I somewhat agree upon. Though I like to see myself 50-50. I guess it changes sometimes due to social (peer) pressure and expectancy, but when in private it really is in balance.

I still don't understand crossdressing- so I couldn't tell you. But bigender is when you have both genders, so you never dress as the opposite gender because you are that gender.

You don't have to be a perfect balance to be androgyne- it's just in that general area. Just like you don't have to be 100% female, 0% male to be female- just in that general area.

i wonder what its called when you switch between male, female, both, and neither. that is Deeedoo in a nutshell.

Quadgender? I think at that point I'd just say genderfluid.

[Guest NeverSayNever]

Genderfluid is a more general term- it's fluidly shifting between points on the gender map. It could be between male/female, between male/androgyne/neutrois, even between several points of genderqueer.

Bigender is when you switch between male and female, Trigender is shifting between male, female and another gender.

I still don't understand crossdressing- so I couldn't tell you. But bigender is when you have both genders, so you never dress as the opposite gender because you are that gender.

Crossdressing is where you dress up in the clothes of the opposite sex, for any number of reasons. Am I right?

There's so many labels now o.O I have no idea where I fit in, though I suppose I don't need to. I change, sometimes I'm male, sometimes I'm female. Though, most often I'm male. I'd feel a Hell of a lot happier if I was a bio-male.

[Guest Leigh]

cool thread... i always like to see threads like this, helps me to understand all the variation within trans-gender groups...

though i'm just a guy... nothing so complicated as anything androgynous... must be even more confusing to try and figure out what's going on in your head when you have more than one gender.

thanks for putting up all these definitions... i wonder what would happen if all gender lables just dissapeared? i bet we'd all be a bit androgynous...but maybe that's a question for another thread....

peace&love

leigh

[Guest ericc]

Oh by the way, I just started a Wikipedia article for Trigender. I was wondering if anyone would like to contribute to it? Thanks http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trigender

[Guest Evan_J]

I was feeling down and then I saw the "new" gender of the moment. Wow.

***pens a memo to tell the creator of gender terms to calm down lol.

[Guest Javey]

Genderfluid is a more general term- it's fluidly shifting between points on the gender map. It could be between male/female, between male/androgyne/neutrois, even between several points of genderqueer.

Bigender is when you switch between male and female, Trigender is shifting between male, female and another gender.

I still don't understand crossdressing- so I couldn't tell you. But bigender is when you have both genders, so you never dress as the opposite gender because you are that gender.

You don't have to be a perfect balance to be androgyne- it's just in that general area. Just like you don't have to be 100% female, 0% male to be female- just in that general area.

Quadgender? I think at that point I'd just say genderfluid.

Huh, never heard those terms before. Looks like I'm more genderfluid then androgynous. Thanks for the info! I think I'll look into that some.

[Guest Evan_J]

Bigender is when you switch between male and female, Trigender is shifting between male, female and another gender.

I am so gonna play the heavy on this one.....

We do want to be taken seriously as a community right? Politically? Religious opponents and all that?

....I can go with gender fluid. It accounts for pretty much the spectrum. But when you say "male, female, and 'another gender' " you imply that there IS another recognized gender. Androgynous and neutrois are based on male and female and are actually descriptors of utilization of those genders within one individual. This statement implies a creature walking the earth with either some type of genetalia that neither you nor I nor anyone else has ever seen and so it has a gender. Now, if this being with its set of third genitals and third, heretofore unknown characteristics of gender, is what (reaching for some sort of possible physicality......) is -lets say- the genitally ambiguous body of what has up until now been called an intersexed person, we STILL would be utilizing essentially the same two "documented" formations of genitalia.

Please don't do this. Don't keep spiraling into these endless "words" to describe things that really have already been described.

Not only is it incredulous to me as a transperson that this is what we do but it will be (you can pretty much bet the farm) perceived as "farther evidence of the confusion of transpeople".

[Guest darlene lynn]

I have my own term (blended gender) Because I feel like both together most all the time. If I had to pick just one gender tobe thou it would be female..

LOL

Darlene Lynnette

[Guest androgynous]

On a second thought, I might be quadgendered e.g. male/female/bi/androgynous where my male part is straight and my female part is gay ;-)

I dunno, I think it makes it more complex than it really is.

[Guest NatalieRene]

i wonder what its called when you switch between male, female, both, and neither. that is Deeedoo in a nutshell.

Well if the switch is caused by a bucket of cold water or a hot tea pot then you're Ranma.

[Guest Angel21]

i feel like am both at the same time too but am kinda unsure what i am at the moment

[Guest Ryles_D]

We do want to be taken seriously as a community right? Politically? Religious opponents and all that?

I want to be respected as an individual. I want the right to stand up and say "I'm a neutrois" and be taken as seriously as any man or woman who stood up and said who they were. I want every single person to have that right- even if their gender seems ridiculous to some.

You have the option to be called a man, male, boy, guy, dude, sir, father, brother, son, husband. Others have the option to be called a woman, female, girl, gal, chick, ma'am, mother, sister, daughter. You know that after you get X surgery or Y treatment, you'll be able to legally and socially be seen as a man, that strangers will look at you and see you as your gender. You can even go stealth if you want to. I will never achieve that even if I worked twice as hard, spent twice as much, and got twice as many surgeries/treatments. The best I can get is to be legally and socially be seen as a host of other words that aren't quite right.

We ask for one word to describe who we really are and I am sorry you, who already have a few dozen privileges that we will never see, think that we're being silly.

I've seen a lot of the trans community pregnant dog and moan that we've given so much to the gay community and been treated like dirt by them. Well congratulations, apparently you're just as bad as the people who've mistreated you. The binary trans community has no right to turn around and ask non-binaries for help in achieving the goals you want while telling us that we aren't allowed to say we are who we are.

[Sally]

Ryles,

I do respect you as a person.

I have never liked labels for this very reason, they are intended to identify but they almost always end up causing seperations and segregation.

We don't want that here and if you feel that you are being ignored, tell me what's wrong and we can start wortking on it, I don't want to leave anyone out, this isn't a country club, we only keep out the meanies not the Gender Gifted (my favorite label other than human being or person).

I am a binary gender with the problem of being physically one and mentally the other but as you have said there is a way to fix that and be somewhat accepted - I do have trouble understanding the non binary or fluind genders and I am trying but it is a difficult concept for me.

I have some good friends who are non binary in their gender and I am working to get a better handle on it so anything that you can tell me to explain how this is even possible to manage, I would love yo hear it because my mind tends to get lost on the way to the computer.

Love ya,

Sally

[Guest ericc]

Androgyne is a mix of both- about 50% male and 50% female. Genderfluid is when your gender changes, fluidly, if you shift from fully male to fully female then that's bigender, and so ona nd so forth.

Though If you at Androgyne + Bigender wouldn't that equal to Trigender? Because before I was identifying as Androgyne & Bigender but someone told me that I would be Trigender and I think I am because I feel like I shift.

[Guest Ryles_D]

Though If you at Androgyne + Bigender wouldn't that equal to Trigender? Because before I was identifying as Androgyne & Bigender but someone told me that I would be Trigender and I think I am because I feel like I shift.

I think so. Trigender would be between 3 genders, so it could be male/female/androgyne or something else. If you feel trigender is right for you- then I'd go witht hat.

[Guest Ryles_D]

We don't want that here and if you feel that you are being ignored, tell me what's wrong and we can start wortking on it, I don't want to leave anyone out, this isn't a country club, we only keep out the meanies not the Gender Gifted (my favorite label other than human being or person).

I am not attacking binaries, or even transpeople, and I'm sorry if I came out as sounding like I was. I am telling anyone who feels that non-binaries shouldn't call themselves what they feel they are because it impedes progress that they should rethink. A lot of the GLB community seems to think that accepting transpeople would impede their progress, I've seen a lot of groups say that they won't help transpeople because they don't want to risk their rights. But that doesnt' mean the trans community should to bow their head and shuffle off into the closet so the GLB community can get what they want. And nor should anyone who has a different label bow their head and shuffle off and pretend to be an androgyne when they aren't one just so that nobody can say "Ah ha, see, they're confused!".

Let's face it- if you're convinced transpeople are confused, you're going to find proof that transpeople are confused no matter what we do.

I can't accept any other label- I've tried. I've really tried to think of myself in the binary, or as an androgyne, but that's not who I am. If neutrois weren't a term- I'd have to make a new one for myself because no other word is right. Just like male isn't the right word for you, Sally.

I am a binary gender with the problem of being physically one and mentally the other but as you have said there is a way to fix that and be somewhat accepted - I do have trouble understanding the non binary or fluind genders and I am trying but it is a difficult concept for me.

I have some good friends who are non binary in their gender and I am working to get a better handle on it so anything that you can tell me to explain how this is even possible to manage, I would love yo hear it because my mind tends to get lost on the way to the computer.

It can be just as hard to explain the non-binary to a binary as it can to explain trans to cis. There are apparently some people who have a gender completely outside the ability to be described in terms of male/female, and I don't understand that at all, I just know it is there and the world works in mysterious ways. And I don't know how much you need to understand to accept, but since you asked.

I guess it's easiest to think about it in terms of sexuality, in some ways? So I'll give that a go.

Most people are attracted to the opposite sex(cisgendered). Some people, however, are attracted to the same sex (binary transgendered). There's degrees to how strongly you feel this attraction, some people are only interested in their target sex, some will fool around with the other but ultimately they're only attracted to the target sex.

Then- there's people who are bisexual (androgyne). They like both. They don't just fool around with the other sex but are ultimately only interested in their target sex, both sexes are their target sex.

A bigender would be kind of like this, only they aren't always bisexual- they switch between homo and heterosexuality. This makes transitioning difficult because if they transition to the other side, then they're unhappy when their gender matches their birth sex, if they transition to the middle then they're unhappy all the time- I think androgynes could find a place in the middle where they're happy, but not all can. Genderfluid can be similar, but I think that they don't completely jump between male and female, they sort of fluidly shift so they can be more male/female and less male/female at various points.

A trigender would be one who switches between 3 points on the graph- you could probably manage to be bigender/androgyne/neutrois and just completely ignore male/female in your gender entirely.

Next up are the asexuals (neutrois). Just like asexuals don't have a target sex, aren't interested in anyone or in fooling around with anyone, neutrois aren't male or female or any mix/combination of that. They're in the 0/0 area- 0% male and 0% female. I'm not really sure how to fit pansexuals into this.

Now, obviously, not everyone is firmly hetero/homo/bi/asexual, not everyone is firmly male/female/androgyne/bigender/neutrois- there's a lot of grey area and wiggle room, there's also genderqueer and genderfluid, and a person doesn't have to be a strict 50/50 mix to be androgyne, they could be 90/10 and feel that androgyne is who they are. And you could even be 49/51 but still feel like the binary is the place for you. A good chunk of labels is deciding where you're most comfortable.

I'd like to make it clear that I'm not saying that androgynes are all bisexual or binaries are all hetero/homosexual or neutrois are all asexual- because that's obviously not true, I'm just making a kind of pathetic attempt to explain this. Also, I'm a neutrois, and I'm just me, any others who'd like to put in a complaint about my description of their gender- go right ahead.

[Sally]

Thanks Ryles,

That is about as clear as I have ever heard it explained, I still find it amazing that you can manage that but then we are all different aren't we?

I just want you to know I didn't feel that you were attacking anyone, I just felt that we (and I shouldn't be speaking for anyone but myself) tend to sort of avoid what we don't understand and this is only one of many areas that I don't understand - cutting, alcohol and drug abuse, some of the areas that I go into because peopls need help but sometimes the discriptions of the problems are a bit overwhelmiing.

Thanks again for a really good effort at explaining and I will try to keep that in mind whenever I am in this area of the forums.

Love ya,

Sally

[Guest androgynous]

Hm. after re-thinking it, it actually does make sense in some sense that it might be something totally disconnected from what we already know. I agree that it remains very interesting.