What Am I???

[Guest Raven428]

Yes, i know that i am androgyny, and a 16 year old male, but i mean am i a guy or girl on the inside? It's just gotten to the point now that i don't even know what side to act on or what i want. Whenever i'm acting on my masculin side, my feminin side wants to do stuff, and when i'm on my feminin side, my masculin side wants to do stuff. But i can't do all the stuff at the same time. I can't watch a chick flick while i play an action video game. (you get the picture) it's just really starting to annoy me so much. I'm getting closer and closer to 0 on the COGIATI grading scale. I took it about a year ago and i got 100. I took it a month ago and got a 40. And then i took it again yesterday because i was bored and got a 20.

If only we lived in a society where we could do everything at once and not be judged at all, i would be sooooo happy.

[MaryEllen]

Hello Raven428,

I wouldn't obsess over it too much. Just go with the flow and be what you want to be at any given moment. If this is really bothering you, perhaps a gender therapist could help you sort it out.

MaryEllen

[Guest giovnni]

I'm getting closer and closer to 0 on the COGIATI grading scale. I took it about a year ago and i got 100. I took it a month ago and got a 40. And then i took it again yesterday because i was bored and got a 20.

If only we lived in a society where we could do everything at once and not be judged at all, i would be sooooo happy.

Don't worry about COGIATI results; I don't know the name of the theory, but I think it's something to do with a variable changing when it is measured... Personally, COGIATI has only reaffirmed what I already 'knew' and have struggled with for the past four years. As far as your feminine and masculine side competing, look for compromises: I am not about to jump into stereotypes such as suggesting you play a video game targeted to girls, only you can decide what is right for you.

[Guest raydub]

If only we lived in a society where we could do everything at once and not be judged at all, i would be sooooo happy.

we should all just live life like its already this way.. then when the world finally catches up..we'll be like.. "what took you so long?!"

Ray

[Guest Mani]

Yes, i know that i am androgyny, and a 16 year old male, but i mean am i a guy or girl on the inside?

You don't have to be a guy or a girl on the inside. You could be both or neither. Gender is far from being a black & white issue. Personally, I don't identify as either on the inside. Gender expression wise: As a girl I was a weird mix of tomboy and femme. As a guy I was a feminine guy. As an androgynous being, I don't know I guess I'm now just more comfortable as I am starting to stop worrying about passing sooo much (I'm still living as a guy, just an androgynous one). If that makes any sense

~Mani

[Guest Steveanna]

As an androgynous being, I don't know I guess I'm now just more comfortable as I am starting to stop worrying about passing sooo much (I'm still living as a guy, just an androgynous one). If that makes any sense

Hi Mani,

I have scored a -30 on the COGIATI test. Do you see yourself as a "Billy Idol" the singer type of personna? I see myself as "Al" the buddy of "Tool Man Tim" on TV.

Steveanna

[Guest Seth]

Where is this test thing?

[Guest Mani]

Hi Mani,

I have scored a -30 on the COGIATI test. Do you see yourself as a "Billy Idol" the singer type of personna? I see myself as "Al" the buddy of "Tool Man Tim" on TV.

Steveanna

I am not familiar at all with who Billy Idol is or what a Billy Idol persona would be.

~Mani

[Guest Mani]

Where is this test thing?

COGIATI Test

Please note: "The Combined Gender Identity And Transsexuality Inventory is precisely and narrowly targeted to the Male-to-Female Pre-Operative, Pre-Transitional individual who is currently unsure of what they really want or who they really are."

[Guest Seth]

I can't access the site from school. Transsexual apparently is a bad word.

[MaryEllen]

Where is this test thing?

http://transsexual.org/TEST0.html

[Guest KyleMicheal]

You can be both or neither.

It doesn't matter.

I'm predominately male, but I change everyday. Sometimes, I'm middle. Sometimes, I'm female. Sometimes I'm male.

It depends on what you want. Go with the flow and see what you want.

[Guest Rob1]

I like the question..... really. who am i when?..... Raven, I really think on this topic the prior postings very good advice:

MaryEllen's post #2

Conri's post #5

KyleMichael post #12

giovanni post#3

all these people gave very good advice.

I would like to give you my imput:

please consider taking time to really look at your character, who you are inside. where your passions are, how you veiw different situations through a given day (do you view them in a masc. or fem. or in between manor). that "bem" test works really well to help you understand your psychological pulls toward masculine actions, fem. actions, and in between actions. I have found the better we understand ourselves in depthly, for the androgyne (me) I know this has been true. When a situation arises where a fem characteristic is comes out of me, I know I have given it attention/care to allowing those traits to be nurtured and grow/get better. Allow yourself time to learn about yourself, and enjoy that time. take what good comes out of you and what you enjoy in life and cultivate it, embrase yourself. what you don't like about yourself, maybe like a hyper masculine agruementative temper, embrase it too! Only by doing so will you know best how to destroy that within your character, and rebuild it to something you like such as a calm problem solver instead.

sorry for any mis-spellings

[Guest Itzika]

Don't worry about COGIATI results; I don't know the name of the theory, but I think it's something to do with a variable changing when it is measured... Personally, COGIATI has only reaffirmed what I already 'knew' and have struggled with for the past four years. As far as your feminine and masculine side competing, look for compromises: I am not about to jump into stereotypes such as suggesting you play a video game targeted to girls, only you can decide what is right for you.

Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle. (I totally learned that from Numb3rs... Charlie spent the whole second episode talking about how the path of an electron is changed by the act of observing it, and comparing it to bank robbers.)

I agree completely. My friend recently came out as TS and got all of her friends to take the COGIATI test, switching the categories and imagining for those of us who are biologically female. I scored a 185 the first time--classification 4, "Probable Transsexual". Nice. So I'm probably a girl. Knew that already. Actually, that's what I was thinking about the whole time I took the test, and my answers--and score--reflect that.

Point is, one of my friends scored classification 3, "Androgyne". I was the next most androgynous, according to my score. I retook the test with that in mind, and my score dropped by 55 points, to 130. Want to know the cutoff for Androgyne? 129. Now I can't get it out of my head, even though I know I skewed the test both times based on what I was thinking about/what I expected and wanted it to say. I don't trust that test completely the first time, let alone the second or third. A test that's based on personal preference will be skewed at any given point in time by what instances you're taking your evidence from.

As to who and what you are, I agree with what others have said: You don't have to choose forever. You can switch. I do martial arts, beat up guys twice my size, and then I go home and dance. I was the only girl (or thought I was, until this year when my friend came out as TS) in the advanced math class that's existed specially for us since sixth grade. I've been friends with said TS friend since fourth grade, even though back then everyone just thought 'he' must be gay because he liked pink so much. (Now we have the perfect answer: No, she's not! She's a lesbian!) At the same time, she loves video games. Another of my friends is so secure in his masculinity that he'll say he would eat such-and-such a guy with a spoon. Basically, I dislike gender roles as a whole, so I say go ahead and choose whichever one you like, as you like.

I'll end with one of my favorite quotes: "Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind." I forget who said it, if I ever knew, but I love it.

[Guest androgynous]

I did the COGIATI test 2 times by now, I always hit a score around 10. (first time it was 10) Yeah! almost exactly on the center!