Jump to content
  • Welcome to the TransPulse Forums!

    We offer a safe, inclusive community for transgender and gender non-conforming folks, as well as their loved ones, to find support and information.  Join today!

Archived

This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.

Guest Nekomata

Lololololol

Recommended Posts

Guest Nekomata

18 June, 2007

What About Sexual Reassignment?

Dear Bro. Waddey:

How should we response to a person who is in the process of sexual reassignment surgery who want to become a member of the Lord's church and wants to know if they would be welcomed? How should we view those who are born with both sex organs, but decided not to change, or those whose parents made the decision for them?

-Waldo

Dear Bro. Waldo:

Living in this marvelous age of medical technology not only offers blessings, it presents great challenges to Christians who wish to please God in all things. It raises ethical questions our predecessors never had to face.

There are two categories of people who seek sexual reassignment or sex change surgery.

1. There are legitimate cases that occur when a person is born with what medical terminology describes as sexual anomaly. In such cases a child might be born with imperfectly developed sexual organs, both male and female organs or the sexual organs of one sex but the chromosomal/hormonal nature of the opposite sex. In days past people born with sexual anomaly were left to grow up with their defective sexual identity. This of course caused great pain and confusion in their lives. The term hermaphrodite was commonly heard. Now doctors perform surgery as soon as possible to correct such deformity. In the case of the child with both male and female organs the most important question to be determined is, is the child genetically and harmonally male or female? If that is determined then the surgery matches the organs to those of the child's sexual nature. We should think of such procedures just as we would of the child born with any other physical defect that is surgically corrected.

The situation is complicated if the person has been allow to grow up before the corrective procedure is attempted. For example a child with both organs might be raised as a boy, but hormonal studies might reveal he is genetically and harmonally female. The corrective surgery seeks to correct the mistake in her body but there should be a correction in her sexual identity as a person. The child could just as easily have been raised a girl if the parents has elected to do so. When such a case comes to our attention, most of us living in our normal circumstances are shocked, but it is a needed correction for the affected person. In such cases, corrective surgery is no more wrong than to correct a defective heart or limb.

2. The second category are those people who are homosexual in their sexual desire and practice. Some men who wish to engage in sex with other men and aspire to fill a female role or women who wish to be men for the same reason seek such surgical reassignment. These are people with normal bodies but because of faulty training and conditioning in their formative years, or by choice, they turn from heterosexual relationships to those of their own sex. To fulfill their desire they seek out doctors who can transform their sexual nature. Since God has clearly spoken on the subject of homosexual behavior, condemning it as unnatural (Rom. 1: 26-27) and abominable (Lev. 18:22), sexual reassignment for this reason is clearly wrong.

Now if such a person should sincerely present him or herself for baptism how should we respond? If they are of the first category, we should accept them just as we would the person who has had any other deformity. They should be not penalized for that which was beyond their control. If they are of the second category, and if we are satisfied they are genuine in their request, and have truly repented (Acts 2:38), we should baptize them into Christ. Their case would be no different than the immoral heterosexual or the homosexuals who had been saved in Corinth (I Cor. 6:9-11). I would recommend that there be a period of personal study and counseling with the person to make sure that they understood that such personal situations should not be made public to others or promoted as it would surely create confusion in the congregation and stigmatize the person.

Since the leaders of the homosexual community are making war against conservative churches who will not yield to their demands for acceptance, we must be on guard lest a homosexual person of that camp come seeking baptism and membership in the church in order to create a confrontation and crisis to the benefit of their cause. If the person is determined to be of that camp they should be turned away!

Sincerely,

Back -- or go -- Home

© Copyright 2007, First Century Christian

Share this post


Link to post
Guest

Transsexuality and homosexuality have nothing in common. However both are born the way they are because it is a natural occurence which has been proven. Being Transsexual is not sinful at all. Those who tell you that are full of it. Transsexuality is a medical condition With treatment prescribed by the APA and the AMA American Medical Association. I do hope you actually don't believe what you wrote and are injecting humor here.

Laura

Share this post


Link to post
Guest RainBird

lol It doesn't makes sense... Isn't a homosexual male proud to be male ans is satisfied with their sexual attributes?

I know some gay males may undergo HRT for feminizing but I have not heard of any gay men getting srs..

I'm a straight transsexual girl (i like guys) who has some very close gay friends, apart from some degree of similar bahaviours, etc, depending on the individual, there is a BIG difference imo :)

If God didn't make transgendered and gay people, there wouldn't be any.. Period! ;)

xx

Share this post


Link to post
Guest Nelly

Hi,

I think it is not the opiion of Nekomata, it is a quote from some religious newspaper ask "doctor Bob" page.

If I read that kind of stuff, I know why I do not like religions. If god is the big man of action, the maker, he made also homosexuals. Why are homosexuals responsibele to be homosexual if it was god decision to make them that style?

Anyway for point one I know that this is the wrong way. A study including a lot of cases with children born with a none clear gender getting surgery shows, that in most cases the decision was wrong. It is better to wait until the child can tell the own gender. Than it is time to support this gender in every point that is possible.

For point two I only have one question. Being homosexual is not good, why is it good to love small children where church take care about them?

Greetings

Nelly

Share this post


Link to post
Guest Nekomata
Transsexuality and homosexuality have nothing in common. However both are born the way they are because it is a natural occurence which has been proven. Being Transsexual is not sinful at all. Those who tell you that are full of it. Transsexuality is a medical condition With treatment prescribed by the APA and the AMA American Medical Association. I do hope you actually don't believe what you wrote and are injecting humor here.

Laura

To clarify, I DID NOT WRITE THAT. I copy pasted it from a website and I was pointing out how hypocritical and incredibly inaccurate it was.. especially the part about gay people transitioning just so they can be intimate with the same gender.

Share this post


Link to post
Guest Chrissie
18 June, 2007

What About Sexual Reassignment?

Dear Bro. Waddey:

How should we response to a person who is in the process of sexual reassignment surgery who want to become a member of the Lord's church and wants to know if they would be welcomed? How should we view those who are born with both sex organs, but decided not to change, or those whose parents made the decision for them?

-Waldo

Dear Bro. Waldo:

Living in this marvelous age of medical technology not only offers blessings, it presents great challenges to Christians who wish to please God in all things. It raises ethical questions our predecessors never had to face.

There are two categories of people who seek sexual reassignment or sex change surgery.

1. There are legitimate cases that occur when a person is born with what medical terminology describes as sexual anomaly. In such cases a child might be born with imperfectly developed sexual organs, both male and female organs or the sexual organs of one sex but the chromosomal/hormonal nature of the opposite sex. In days past people born with sexual anomaly were left to grow up with their defective sexual identity. This of course caused great pain and confusion in their lives. The term hermaphrodite was commonly heard. Now doctors perform surgery as soon as possible to correct such deformity. In the case of the child with both male and female organs the most important question to be determined is, is the child genetically and harmonally male or female? If that is determined then the surgery matches the organs to those of the child's sexual nature. We should think of such procedures just as we would of the child born with any other physical defect that is surgically corrected.

The situation is complicated if the person has been allow to grow up before the corrective procedure is attempted. For example a child with both organs might be raised as a boy, but hormonal studies might reveal he is genetically and harmonally female. The corrective surgery seeks to correct the mistake in her body but there should be a correction in her sexual identity as a person. The child could just as easily have been raised a girl if the parents has elected to do so. When such a case comes to our attention, most of us living in our normal circumstances are shocked, but it is a needed correction for the affected person. In such cases, corrective surgery is no more wrong than to correct a defective heart or limb.

2. The second category are those people who are homosexual in their sexual desire and practice. Some men who wish to engage in sex with other men and aspire to fill a female role or women who wish to be men for the same reason seek such surgical reassignment. These are people with normal bodies but because of faulty training and conditioning in their formative years, or by choice, they turn from heterosexual relationships to those of their own sex. To fulfill their desire they seek out doctors who can transform their sexual nature. Since God has clearly spoken on the subject of homosexual behavior, condemning it as unnatural (Rom. 1: 26-27) and abominable (Lev. 18:22), sexual reassignment for this reason is clearly wrong.

Now if such a person should sincerely present him or herself for baptism how should we respond? If they are of the first category, we should accept them just as we would the person who has had any other deformity. They should be not penalized for that which was beyond their control. If they are of the second category, and if we are satisfied they are genuine in their request, and have truly repented (Acts 2:38), we should baptize them into Christ. Their case would be no different than the immoral heterosexual or the homosexuals who had been saved in Corinth (I Cor. 6:9-11). I would recommend that there be a period of personal study and counseling with the person to make sure that they understood that such personal situations should not be made public to others or promoted as it would surely create confusion in the congregation and stigmatize the person.

Since the leaders of the homosexual community are making war against conservative churches who will not yield to their demands for acceptance, we must be on guard lest a homosexual person of that camp come seeking baptism and membership in the church in order to create a confrontation and crisis to the benefit of their cause. If the person is determined to be of that camp they should be turned away!

Sincerely,

Back -- or go -- Home

© Copyright 2007, First Century Christian

:huh: Where do they get these people? :blink: I have a few grievances against the christian faith... mostly based on those things that 'pastor' said. I even have a few against a particular Christian Faith that has nothing to do with GLBT related.

But I have more respect for those who find strength and conviction in their faith and are open minded enough to listen and not judge.

I think that they teach Judge and not listen to these so called conservative pastors.

I'm Not anti Religion ...Im anti Hypocrisy

that being said... wasn't it in the bible that he who is without sin should cast the first stone?

Share this post


Link to post
Guest RainBird
:huh: Where do they get these people? :blink: I have a few grievances against the christian faith... mostly based on those things that 'pastor' said. I even have a few against a particular Christian Faith that has nothing to do with GLBT related.

But I have more respect for those who find strength and conviction in their faith and are open minded enough to listen and not judge.

I think that they teach Judge and not listen to these so called conservative pastors.

I'm Not anti Religion ...Im anti Hypocrisy

that being said... wasn't it in the bible that he who is without sin should cast the first stone?

lol I knew Nekomata didn't write this ;)

The article istelf just fired me up, too much ignorance is advertised by so called know-it-alls regarding their thoughts or acceptance of us, even comment bashing on youtube, it's everywhere! :(

Share this post


Link to post
Guest amie
Transsexuality and homosexuality have nothing in common. However both are born the way they are because it is a natural occurence which has been proven. Being Transsexual is not sinful at all. Those who tell you that are full of it. Transsexuality is a medical condition With treatment prescribed by the APA and the AMA American Medical Association. I do hope you actually don't believe what you wrote and are injecting humor here.

Laura

No, Laura-nothin' like that. I sent that to her under the heading, "Howz this for ludicrous". Pertee accurate, huh-my heading anyway?

Share this post


Link to post
Guest amie
To clarify, I DID NOT WRITE THAT. I copy pasted it from a website and I was pointing out how hypocritical and incredibly inaccurate it was.. especially the part about gay people transitioning just so they can be intimate with the same gender.
I sent this to yu but apparently you found it yourself before I got it to yu. Hehe.

Share this post


Link to post
Guest Madison_Always

that hypocrite is the one who shouldnt get babtized until he gets right w/ God. who i s he to say who can be accepted by the church or more importantly by God. Also maybe before saying absent minded stuff like that he might actually research and find out that gay men usually like to stay that way. Uneducated ppl claiming to be christians rly aggravate me.

Share this post


Link to post
Guest lisa49
Uneducated ppl claiming to be christians rly aggravate me.

It just takes a willingness to believe no education required.

Share this post


Link to post
Guest TheAetherealMeadow

Wow, it really disgusts me how disillusioned some Christians can be. Not only is the section about transsexuality totally incorrect and wrong, but it really irks me how they describe being intersexed as an anomaly that should be "corrected" according to how their chromosomes are. I wish more people would understand that gender is an aspect of identity and not of chromosomes.

Share this post


Link to post

  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    No registered users viewing this page.

  • Who's Online   7 Members, 0 Anonymous, 107 Guests (See full list)

    • tracy_j
    • Markjvp
    • Ellora
    • Carolyn Marie
    • Jackie C.
    • KathyLauren
    • Jani
  • Topics With Zero Replies

  • Forum Statistics

    • Total Topics
      69,761
    • Total Posts
      630,527
  • Member Statistics

    • Total Members
      6,110
    • Most Online
      8,356

    Tomtom
    Newest Member
    Tomtom
    Joined
  • Today's Birthdays

    1. ChristinaAnne
      ChristinaAnne
      (36 years old)
    2. Guiseppe_Tartini
      Guiseppe_Tartini
      (31 years old)
  • Posts

    • Krisvm
      Hi Laurel welcome aboard.   Everyone here is very respectful and welcoming, so I hope you find that too.   Love and Hugs,   Kris
    • Krisvm
      Hi Lily. Glad to have you here.    It can be hard to share so just share what you want to, when you want. I find everyone here is very supportive and willing to listen.   Love and hugs,   Kris
    • Krisvm
      Similar to you actually I ended up choosing Kris because the name I was given at birth was Chris, which I don't mind but wanted something more ambiguous.
    • Krisvm
      Good morning all. I got back from a week at a work conference. Whilst I loved being there (was my first since being out as trans at work and everyone was so nice)  am very glad now to be home under a blanket with a kitten on me.   Love and hugs,   Kris
    • ShawnaLeigh
      So I reread this and had to laugh at myself.  I was so adamant about not having Shawna.   As you can see it’s exactly the name I have chosen.  
    • Charlize
      We are also having a wet relatively mild day.30 MPH wind.  Actually a relatively big storm.  If it had been possible i would have finished the tapping today but instead i'm going to enjoy a day of rest after doing the chores on the farm.   Hugs,   Charlize
    • Cyndee
      I love my Spanx "workout to waves" sports bras, they have the most comfortable band (no clasps). They last !!
    • ShawnaLeigh
      I like the AhhBra Racerback style bras.  No cup size needed as it’s a stretchy material that supports very well. It will not mash your breasts like a sports bra can.  The racerback helps prevent straps from slipping sideways off a male profile shoulder and the racerback also could be viewed under your shirt as a tank top under shirt.  If they even see it.   I have a 38” band size as measured with a flexible tape measure around my chest right under the breasts.   My size in this bra is Large.  They provide sizing charts too. 
    • Cyndee
      Good morning, it's a dark and wet morning here in the Pacific NW, raining and a mild 45 at the moment, going up to the 50's later. Enjoying my 2nd cup as I type this, reading and posting. No work for me today, we have a visitor coming from Canada to our home, our daughter's boyfriend is driving down to take several of her things back with them in a car this time. She is in the process of moving to Canada, it will be nice to see him again.    Have a lovely day.    C
    • Charlize
      Welcome Lily.  Coming here was difficult for me the first time.  I was both excited and afraid to open up about feelings so long hidden.  Instead of disapproval i found the support i needed to find myself.  Hopefully you will feel the same.   Hugs,   Charlize
    • Jackie C.
      I got a 48B from Amazon (US sizes, yes my chest is broad). I really need an A, but I've got all of two bras specifically designed in 48 (moose) that are also A-cups. One is padded and I don't think that's what you're going for.   Sports Bra   This fits well and is comfy. I bought one on a recommendation from my therapist and her large-breasted daughter.   T-Shirt Bra   I also got a pack of these on a recommendation from here.   Ahh Bra   They might be better for everyday wear. They're also tumble-dry which is a nice feature my sports bra doesn't share. The XL fits me just fine.   I completely feel your pain though. Usually when you see 48, they start at C-cup and go up from there. I'm really hoping the next eighteen months give me a bit of a growth spurt. 😋   So yeah, I use Amazon because I can't find a darn thing that fits in a brick and mortar store. I blame the patriarchy for discrimination against the flat-chested.   Hugs!
    • Cyndee
      Good Morning Kathy, I enjoyed reading your post. I was introduced to Buddhism by a friend here on this board I met several years ago, and she gave me a book by Thich Nhat Hanh called "The heart of the Buddha's teachings", transforming suffering into Peace, Joy, and Liberation. While I know very little overall about the practice, this particular book helped me earlier in my transition so much, after all gender is suffering. This book introduced me to the concept of mindfulness and how to deal with inner feelings. Feelings that were running wild at times as my body went through the adjustment period with HRT and my social transition. Mindfulness raised my awareness into areas I had not previously explored, and gave me tools on how to calm my mind, they really worked ! I just wanted to share how much this helped me directly with my transition. My 2nd therapist I saw prior to my surgery was also a big proponent of mindfulness, and i was able to use our sessions to further these practices.    I also have traveled to India and find the culture there fascinating.    Hope your day is a good one   Cynthia 
    • ShawnaLeigh
      I have been on SM hrt on and off for a few years.  More off then on.  Until last November when I chose to stop risking my health and now on doctor supervised hrt.  So I have a long history of lowering T and my hair never responded or came back.  It’s very thinned out on top and above the temps is not as bad but it is not the lushes thick I once had.  
    • YharnamDreamDaddy
      There are many reasons for my names; but mostly I just adored how they sounded.  I also picked a name that was far less tied to my family line (though I did thumb on the line a middle name being Henryk, which is a variation of a common name for the males in my family but choose against it.)  The one that is most clear to me is Konstandin, which is one of my middle names: I fell in love with this spelling that is mostly common from Albania (and tied into a wonderful Albanian legend) and is a spin on the European Konstantin   I was nervous picking my three names (tradition where I come from) but the thing that drove me forward was: I'm an adult, I should pick names that spark joy in me not names that others deem the best.  After all, I'm the one who gets to carry it about :3 
    • Jennifer75
      My (UK) size seems to be 48 somewhere between a and b cup. Need to order a sports bra that I can have under my t shirt. Where can I order, any suggestions for my size?
  • Upcoming Events

×
×
  • Create New...